Spyder Rejuvenation

[docdoru]

From "old lady" to "new-born": 62,136.8 miles to 0.0 miles...:D

http://www.vholdr.com/video/spyder-rejuvenation-contourhd-video

[effgjamis]

now :roflblack::roflblack::roflblack:is the time to schedule your 600 mile check up,

[BajaRon]

So, this only happens at night!? :dontknow:

[docdoru]

So, this only happens at night!? :dontknow:
All good things happen at night...;)

[Lamonster]

:D:lecturef_smilie::clap::bowdown::firstplace:

[brutus450]

you could have drove faster so I didnt have to wait so long to see that:roflblack::roflblack:


And just how did you know to bring your camcorder?

It's a set up folks, if you wait until the end of the video it goes back to 62,130 somethin!:roflblack:

[WaltH]

Thanks Doc, that was some great work.

I see that your temperature gauge was running at two bars. From what Lamont told us, is it possible that your thermostat was not yet open? I haven't seen this on my Spyder, at least that I can remember. The nominal ambient temperature was 48F degrees. On my Spyder that would be only an approximation.

I hope BRP is working on a solution to the problem of the odometer turning over at 62,137 miles. This is totally unacceptable to me.

The good news is that you just experienced a huge jump in the resale value of your Spyder. Now is the time to sell it.

[tatt2r]

i need to get one of those cameras....:2thumbs:

[SpyderWolf]

Great job doc!

48 degrees outside, 2 bars is also where my Spyder stays at that temperature.

I did notice that you were only doing 45 and 50 in 5th gear though. What ever happened to keeping your revs up? Or was this just to make sure you were able to get the video?

[docdoru]

you could have drove faster so I didnt have to wait so long to see that:roflblack::roflblack:
Scroll to 07:07...;)

[Way2Fast]

I should have waited till the end of the video to see if the mileage returned to what it was.......if not, at least the DMV will not be able to accuse you of tampering with the odometer...not while going 65mph and needing both hands on the bars at any rate ! I got cold just looking at the outdoor temp reading !

[GA-SPYDER]

you could have drove faster so I didnt have to wait so long to see that:roflblack::roflblack:


And just how did you know to bring your camcorder?

It's a set up folks, if you wait until the end of the video it goes back to 62,130 somethin!:roflblack:
Did someone else find out about the odometer turning back to zero? I don't recall reading anything about that problem. At the rate I'm going, it will take me another 5 years to worry about it.:joke:

[truck 85]

so how do you like your new bike? it may take a wile to get usted to it but once you do you will have great fun.:congrats:welcome

[SpyderWolf]

Did someone else find out about the odometer turning back to zero? I don't recall reading anything about that problem. At the rate I'm going, it will take me another 5 years to worry about it.:joke:

I think Nick Caro was the first one to experience this. That is how doc knew it was going to turn over soon to take the video. ;) 62,137 miles = 99999.8 kilometers and the Spyder is a Canadian.

[docdoru]

I think Nick Caro was the first one to experience this. That is how doc knew it was going to turn over soon to take the video. ;) 62,137 miles = 99999.8 kilometers and the Spyder is a Canadian.
http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14325

[Lamonster]

http://cinematropolis.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/backfuture_l.jpg

[SethO]

doc you are the man.Maybe if they come down to fix this problem you can scream at the about the DPS.

[Way2Fast]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but years ago the odometer in most vehicles would reset to zero when it reached 100,000 miles. With the invent of digital odometers and a change in Dept of Transportation laws, the miles have to continue to accumulate indefinitely and not reset to zero.

[groundeffect]

#1: WOW that is a LOT of miles - looks good on you! Wow, good stuff!

#2: yep, 62,136.8miles = 99,999.486 kilometers

#3: What year is that Spyder? How long have you had it?

#4: It would be nice to have a fix for this. I would guess it would be to only change an 'int' to a 'floating point' valve of the odometer programming --- Actually, since it then can't display kilometers at that point ( since the 100,000 does not fit on the screen, it should at least continue in miles, though.


Cheers everyone. Interesting topic.

[NancysToy]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but years ago the odometer in most vehicles would reset to zero when it reached 100,000 miles. With the invent of digital odometers and a change in Dept of Transportation laws, the miles have to continue to accumulate indefinitely and not reset to zero.
Miles don't accumulate indefinitely, but most manufacturers added another digit. BRP not only didn't add another digit, but they programmed the base in km, so it flips over even quicker than we in the US are used to. I expect it will eventually lower resale value for us all, since an "Actual Mileage Unknown" or "Exceeds Mechanical Limits of Odometer" title usually carries a negative stigma. I hope the RT-S is different.

[docdoru]

http://cinematropolis.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/backfuture_l.jpg
http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm136/docdoru/old-lady-with-baby.jpg?t=1263070424

[groundeffect]

Does the hours also reset, when the miles hi 62,000miles/100,000km?

[docdoru]

Does the hours also reset, when the miles hi 62,000miles/100,000km?
Nope, stuck on 1,070.9 hours.
http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15712 :popcorn:

[the nicko]

wow new bike

[LDFIREWORKS]

like a fresh start:dontknow::yes:

[Roaddog2]

Miles don't accumulate indefinitely, but most manufacturers added another digit. BRP not only didn't add another digit, but they programmed the base in km, so it flips over even quicker than we in the US are used to. I expect it will eventually lower resale value for us all, since an "Actual Mileage Unknown" or "Exceeds Mechanical Limits of Odometer" title usually carries a negative stigma. I hope the RT-S is different.:agree:

[Lamonster]

Shorter version. :doorag:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Q20eP9YM68

[Yazz]

Wouldn't it be nice if when our odo's hit X miles, it would flip back to the 20's again. We would still keep our hours, (knowledge and wisdom) but have a new body.:yes:
Think the world would be totally different.:yikes:

[nickcaro]

:congrats:

Now we can petition BRP for a new pin design!!

[Big Arm]

:congrats: Doc :2thumbs: :firstplace:

[vwatso]

:2thumbs:

[NancysToy]

:congrats:

Now we can petition BRP for a new pin design!!
Zero K? :dontknow: It could say "I'm 0-K...Again!"

[groundeffect]

Do you guys consider the 62k miles / 100, 000k km 'odometer roll-over' issue a concern that BRP should jump on to fix?


AND


Does the 2010 RS and RT models have the same limitation, does anyone know?

Thanks

[babyanlee]

OMG that is so funny - Doc your a new born:yikes::D:yikes:

[docdoru]

OMG that is so funny - Doc your a new born:yikes::D:yikes:
http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm136/docdoru/DSC00676.jpg?t=1263147456

[3tracs]

Hey Doc,

Your Spyder sounds awesome, what exhaust are you running? Thanks for posting the video too!

[ntxYguy2009]

:congrats: Doc!

David

[SpyderGirl]

That sure makes it tricky when you are trying to keep on top of your maintenance schedule.

[Lamonster]

By the way this won't be a problem on the RT :doorag:

[groundeffect]

By the way this won't be a problem on the RT :doorag:


Hi Lamont, are you aware if this is an issue on the 2010 RS?

Thank you.

[Magic Man]

Hi Lamont, are you aware if this is an issue on the 2010 RS?
Thank you.


According to BRP it's not an "issue" at all. Works just how they made it to.

Unfortunatly they forgot to tell us all this fact when we bought it here in the US.

Now all the TMU or EML (true mileage unkown or exceeds mechanical limits) owners will take it in the shorts at resale time.

Got to love it! Thank you sir may I have another. :D

MM

[groundeffect]

According to BRP it's not an "issue" at all. Works just how they made it to.

Unfortunatly they forgot to tell us all this fact when we bought it here in the US.

Now all the TMU or EML (true mileage unkown or exceeds mechanical limits) owners will take it in the shorts at resale time.

Got to love it! Thank you sir may I have another. :D

MM


Thanks for the note - I wonder how much it will effect a trade-in on future BRP Spyders, as we upgrade to the 2015 Spyders, for example?

[Magic Man]

Thanks for the note - I wonder how much it will effect a trade-in on future BRP Spyders, as we upgrade to the 2015 Spyders, for example?

Will only matter if you roll it over.

Then if you do, you'll have to check the trade in guides at the time to know.

MM

[brutus450]

how would it affect trade-in if its a known fact at what milage they roll over? All its doing is setting a different standard of rollover. You STILL know how many miles are on it

[NancysToy]

how would it affect trade-in if its a known fact at what milage they roll over? All its doing is setting a different standard of rollover. You STILL know how many miles are on it
It still must be marked "Exceeds Mechanical Limits", which has come to be associated with much higher mileages in this country. I am absolutely certain it will impact retail prices...and probably by more than you can imagine. The used vehicle market is a fickle friend, logic seldom enters into the equation..

[docdoru]

It still must be marked "Exceeds Mechanical Limits", which has come to be associated with much higher mileages in this country. I am absolutely certain it will impact retail prices...and probably by more than you can imagine. The used vehicle market is a fickle friend, logic seldom enters into the equation..
:agree: In the KBB the trade-in value for 2008 SM5 is $9,200 http://www.kbb.com/motorcycle/trade-...der-sm5/237462 (http://www.kbb.com/motorcycle/trade-in/2008/can_am/spyder-sm5/237462)
TMU (at 50%): $4,600
Based on the Street and Touring Expected Accumulated Average Mileage rule, a bike made in 2008 with over 750 cc engine displacement should have 10,600 miles. Every additional 10,000 miles dropp the trade-in value with $1,000. At 60,000 miles the trade-in value is ZERO!

[boborgera]

how would it affect trade-in if its a known fact at what milage they roll over? All its doing is setting a different standard of rollover. You STILL know how many miles are on it

You know how many miles are on it,
But the person buying it won't.
:shocked:

In Jersey if my clock rolled over, and i sold my Spyder, Motor Vehicle
would put TRUE MILEAGE UNKNOWN on the new title,
If i was to buy a vehicle with that on the title i would want a steep
discount , and even then i might not buy it at all.

[nickcaro]

true mileage may never be known.... Since replacing the cluster brings you back to zero. :shocked:
...yup, its true.
In theory a shady individual or even a dealer could purchase a new cluster or even just swap one out with another unit. Like maybe the cluster on a demo unit swapped with a unit fresh out of the crate. Suddenly that demo only has, meh, 25 miles.

[NancysToy]

true mileage may never be known.... Since replacing the cluster brings you back to zero. :shocked:
...yup, its true.
In theory a shady individual or even a dealer could purchase a new cluster or even just swap one out with another unit. Like maybe the cluster on a demo unit swapped with a unit fresh out of the crate. Suddenly that demo only has, meh, 25 miles.
This is true, and although these vehicles are required to be marked as TMU, unscrupulous people could rip you off. Another note, all those who had to have their failed clusters replaced now own TMU vehicles, too. Too bad BRP did not program in a backdoor to forward the mileage. I chalk it up to being unfamiliar with road machines. Did I mention how much I hate digital odometers? Can't even read them with the key turned off. :D

[SpyderWolf]

Is there any possibility that BUDS keeps track of the real mileage somewhere?

[groundeffect]

Is there any possibility that BUDS keeps track of the real mileage somewhere?


I was thinking the same things, since they keep a history folder of error codes and events. Something like BUDS surely would not have an issue with a number like 100,000+ km, or miles, and more.

Who would know this - Surely someone knows someone that is a tech at a Spyder dealership who could, perhaps, help answer some of these questions?
cheers.

[NancysToy]

Is there any possibility that BUDS keeps track of the real mileage somewhere?
Even if it can, there is no apparent way to transfer the reading to the odometer. Only the reading on the odometer counts under the law.

I doubt there would ever be an easy way to transfer. An unscrupulous dealer could take advantage of it.

[SpyderWolf]

Even if it can, there is no apparent way to transfer the reading to the odometer. Only the reading on the odometer counts under the law.

I doubt there would ever be an easy way to transfer. An unscrupulous dealer could take advantage of it.

Good points as well Scotty. I should have figured it couldn't be that easy.

[docdoru]

Is there any possibility that BUDS keeps track of the real mileage somewhere?
The BUDS show the same miles as the digital display (212.4). I did not have the same issue like nickcaro's display, floating between 62,xxx ,the new low mileage and back on the 62,xxx's. :thumbup:

[docdoru]

[QUOTE=groundeffect;171054#3: What year is that Spyder? How long have you had it?[/QUOTE]
SM5 June 2008 ;)

[docdoru]

Your Spyder sounds awesome, what exhaust are you running?
Hindle. The background noise is from Evoluzione Airflow System. :thumbup:

[docdoru]

Is there any possibility that BUDS keeps track of the real mileage somewhere?
http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm136/docdoru/122121.jpg?t=1263473819

[groundeffect]

I guess that's a no...

http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm136/docdoru/122121.jpg?t=1263473819

[SpyderWolf]

Funny how your trip meters are reading more than your regular mileage now. :gaah: