How Much Do You Use Wide Open Throttle?

[BajaRon]

Asking just out of curiosity. I like to observe how people ride. At our recent rally I watched the different ways people pulled out of the parking lot. We all have our own personal style. That's one reason why group rides can be such a disaster. So, how much WOT do you employ? In my case, it's not much when my wife is on the back. But she's' never on the back anymore...

As always, votes are anonymous unless you want to post your choice in a comment.

[racoon]

The US Operators Guide has information about what to do during the Break-In period of 1,000 km/600 miles.
It's on Pages 57 and 58 in my 2024 Operators Guide.

Since I've only recently passed the first 100 miles, I've never gone wide open throttle.
In fact, I'm still at the stage of not holding the engine to a constant RPM while riding.

[ARtraveler]

I don't ride anymore, but for the 57 years I drove motorcycles and Spyders, I never once did a WOT move. And I did own a 2000 cc Vulcan and a V-Max powered Yamaha Venture.

[BajaRon]

I don't ride anymore, but for the 57 years I drove motorcycles and Spyders, I never once did a WOT move. And I did own a 2000 cc Vulcan and a V-Max powered Yamaha Venture.

Now that is quite remarkable.

[Bfromla]

Understood it was a correction process to help start engine if /when had few failed attempts. & maybe just the V twins at that.

[ARtraveler]

Now that is quite remarkable.

I have always been a very conservative rider. :bowdown:

[700wolvy]

I put sometimes, which is true. Not for the Spyder yet since I am in break-in. Did on the Vmax and the FJR and the Venture. I could have put only when necessary, too. However, the definition of necessary would be my definition so.... :)

[JB62]

Even on other bikes I rarely if ever did. Even at low throttle settings you walk away from traffic

[Dasmoetorhead]

Every ride.

[BajaRon]

I have always been a very conservative rider. :bowdown:

I must admit. I don't think I could do it. If someone told me I couldn't run wide open. I don't think I'd own a motorcycle.

[blackphoenix38]

as often as I can. If I'm not drifting around corners it's not fun lol

[Dasmoetorhead]

Sometimes I'll climb aboard with the intentions of just taking it easy. That thought lasts about 2 minutes if that ;-)>

[PMK]

Grew up racing motocross, so a pinned throttle happens, when it happens.

Learned long ago Spyders are not race bikes, but are fine riding two up with the wife.

[rjinaz86323]

Once in a while to clean out any soot. Almost always when I need to pass someone in a high traffic area.

[Allen42]

Surely everyone has had to see just what the bike can do right? I've learned just how much aerodynamics matters! Wind speed and direction, windshield raised or lowered, myself raised or lowered, etc.

[Hypothetically, of course, in case you're LEO.]

Unrelated, of course... what should be the practical top speed of a 2019 RTL on a windless day, flat surface, one rider under 200lbs, ECO mode off? Asking for a friend.

[racoon]

@Allen42 - with or without a tailwind? ;)

[BajaRon]

Surely everyone has had to see just what the bike can do right? I've learned just how much aerodynamics matters! Wind speed and direction, windshield raised or lowered, myself raised or lowered, etc.

[Hypothetically, of course, in case you're LEO.]

Unrelated, of course... what should be the practical top speed of a 2019 RTL on a windless day, flat surface, one rider under 200lbs, ECO mode off? Asking for a friend.

You're lucky to get much over 110 mph. The windshield makes a BIG difference. I went from almost no windshield to a small one on my 2008 GS and lost over 10mph top speed. Extrapolate this to the barn doors that some use and you may not get to 100mph. For most it doesn't matter. For some it does. Also know that the speedometer is quite optimistic. Use a GPS if you really want to know how fast you are going.

[Allen42]

You're lucky to get much over 110 mph. The windshield makes a BIG difference. I went from almost no windshield to a small one on my 2008 GS and lost over 10mph top speed. Extrapolate this to the barn doors that some use and you may not get to 100mph. For most it doesn't matter. For some it does. Also know that the speedometer is quite optimistic. Use a GPS if you really want to know how fast you are going.

My friend tells me he saw 112 on the console when he glanced down quickly one time. Sounds like his bike is running right. But that was also before he switched to the tire size that gives him a much more accurate reading. He'll have to get his phone GPS to record or something for a truly accurate reading.... he says he has to stay glued watching the road at that speed.

[T.P.]

Most of the folks responding to this thread have no idea that the 1330 has a redline of 8100 RPM
Try it, you'll like it.

T.P.

[PMK]

Surely everyone has had to see just what the bike can do right? I've learned just how much aerodynamics matters! Wind speed and direction, windshield raised or lowered, myself raised or lowered, etc.

[Hypothetically, of course, in case you're LEO.]

Unrelated, of course... what should be the practical top speed of a 2019 RTL on a windless day, flat surface, one rider under 200lbs, ECO mode off? Asking for a friend.

Ironically, it is a bit north of 100mph.

Besides the aero issues, these engines really drop power due to higher ambient temps, and humidity.
Yes, I know this from experience, based on making the OEM cold air intake, remain much colder as the air is delivered to the engine. Mike added a PVC elbow sticking out his bodywork. His setup more closely mimics the newer body style air intake design. Better but still horribly heat soaks with the forward radiators.

BTW, if you do plan to ride a lot at high speeds, ensure the front wheels are correctly balanced, and more important, that front alignment best be correct. Twitchy at 100 is no fun.


Most of the folks responding to this thread have no idea that the 1330 has a redline of 8100 RPM
Try it. you'll like it.

T.P.

I doubt our Spyder could hit 8100 revs in 6th gear unless I removed the windscreen.


My friend tells me he saw 112 on the console when he glanced down quickly one time. Sounds like his bike is running right. But that was also before he switched to the tire size that gives him a much more accurate reading. He'll have to get his phone GPS to record or something for a truly accurate reading.... he says he has to stay glued watching the road at that speed.

I recalibrated our speedometer in the programing so it is 100% match to a gps.


You're lucky to get much over 110 mph. The windshield makes a BIG difference. I went from almost no windshield to a small one on my 2008 GS and lost over 10mph top speed. Extrapolate this to the barn doors that some use and you may not get to 100mph. For most it doesn't matter. For some it does. Also know that the speedometer is quite optimistic. Use a GPS if you really want to know how fast you are going.

Absolute Truism

[Ex-Rocket]

Well after owning a 1984 Honda V65 and 2 Triumph Rockets, what do you think?

[EdMat]

I doubt our Spyder could hit 8100 revs in 6th gear unless I removed the windscreen.

It wouldn't even do it then, going downhill with a tailwind. All the 1330's are speed limited. In fact they will top out at the same speed in 5th or 6th.

[GS1]

ride it like I stole it

[PMK]

It wouldn't even do it then, going downhill with a tailwind. All the 1330's are speed limited. In fact they will top out at the same speed in 5th or 6th.

Sorry to have confused you, my focus was towards the 1330 not having enough power to spin 8100 revs in 6th gear. But you are correct, the engineers provided, and Can Am delivered a speed limited maximum top speed.

[Jesster72]

I like to get frisky sometimes.

[Snoking1127]

I like to run it through the gears on on ramps, and sometimes have to slow to merge into traffic, and/or wait for riding buddies to catch up.

Never been much over 80, which will be my age next month.

[CloverHillCrawler]

Sorry to have confused you, my focus was towards the 1330 not having enough power to spin 8100 revs in 6th gear. But you are correct, the engineers provided, and Can Am delivered a speed limited maximum top speed.

During low traffic periods on I-70 on my way to work on the weekends has a long downhill coming off of south mountain.

Going uphill from 17 to the top of south mountain I can usually run about 110 once I crest the top and start going on the downhill stretch I can reach 126 and then the throttle will drop offline (no response).

Once the speed comes down to about 124 it will give me the throttle back.

[LALoner]

I have yet to use WOT. There is a built-in speed limiter on my20024 F3-S. At around 60-65 MPH the wind tries to push me off the back so rather than watch the bike go on without me, I just relax and watch the other traffic pass me by. I have had it up to 80 one time and since then, see no need to exceed any speed limits.

[EdMat]

Sorry to have confused you, my focus was towards the 1330 not having enough power to spin 8100 revs in 6th gear. But you are correct, the engineers provided, and Can Am delivered a speed limited maximum top speed.

I agree on the power.

[ARtraveler]

Well after owning a 1984 Honda V65 and 2 Triumph Rockets, what do you think?

:yes: :firstplace:

And speaking of Triumph Rockets. Yes, I had to check those out. 2300 cc--triple three. I went to the dealer. Beautiful fire engine red. I thought, I could like this. Dealer said, "start it up." I did. I did a few blips of the throttle. The torque was so powerful that the bike actually leaned over when I did the blip. I quietly shut it off, and said, I am going to pass on this one. :bowdown: :thumbup:

[BajaRon]

:yes: :firstplace:

And speaking of Triumph Rockets. Yes, I had to check those out. 2300 cc--triple three. I went to the dealer. Beautiful fire engine red. I thought, I could like this. Dealer said, "start it up." I did. I did a few blips of the throttle. The torque was so powerful that the bike actually leaned over when I did the blip. I quietly shut it off, and said, I am going to pass on this one. :bowdown: :thumbup:

AHHH! Too Bad! What's a little torque between friends?

Lamont's Boss Hoss had do much torque it would stand the bike up off the kickstand when he remote started it. And the kickstand had it leaned over quite a bit. He would park it at a restaurant where we could watch out the window. When it drew a crowd, he'd hit the start button. I'm sure there were at least a few who needed a wardrobe change after one of these episodes.

[ARtraveler]

AHHH! Too Bad! What's a little torque between friends?

Lamont's Boss Hoss would stand the bike up off the kickstand when he remote started it. And it leaned over quite a bit. He would park it at a restaurant where we could watch out the window. When it drew a crowd, he'd hit the start button. I'm sure there were at least a few who needed a wardrobe change after one of these episodes.

YeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeHaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa. That's a great one. I love bikes with lots of torque. I was always a bit chicken to drive over 100 though. Like Clint used to say..."a man needs to know his limitations." That worked for me, and yes, I know, I have missed out on some good stuff. :bowdown: :bowdown:

[BajaRon]

YeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeHaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa. That's a great one. I love bikes with lots of torque. I was always a bit chicken to drive over 100 though. Like Clint used to say..."a man needs to know his limitations." That worked for me, and yes, I know, I have missed out on some good stuff. :bowdown: :bowdown:

I've got a million Lamont stories. I loved following him around just to see what would happen. Something always did...

[Iceman47]

I had Wick-it Performance tune the ECM and raise the rev limiter to 8900 ram. I've not been there, YET, but I've been close. At 8500 or 8600 in 4th or 5th gear things are beginning to happen real quick. Maybe someday, I'll try it in 6th.
The ECM tune (stage2) is absolutely the best thing you can do to your Spyder. Even if you never get over the speed limit, you won't believe how well your Spyder runs. I can't recommend it enough. Try it, you'll like it.

[PJveetwin]

I do work the throttle in the twisties, But for the most part, I ride or drive all my stuff like it's going to break. I did once own a FJR 1300, and hit the 150 mark a lot. Once I had my wife on the back at 140, and she leaned forward and asked if it will go any faster!

[RayBJ]

I raced Karts many long years ago and ride with BMW sport tourers that like to go fast. I have no choice but to nail the throttle to keep them in sight when they accelerate out of the curves. WOT is an every ride situation.

BTW, the best I can get the RT to go is 113 GPS verified (many times). BRP programming limits the max regardless of gear.

[AndysF3S]

WOT=acceleration=exhilaration, have to pull a couple of gears at WOT every ride to see if the Spyder is alive and well and the driver is alert. Not in traffic, only on the highway when it is safer to do so.

[Lew L]

Probably too often.............

[BajaRon]

I do work the throttle in the twisties, But for the most part, I ride or drive all my stuff like it's going to break. I did once own a FJR 1300, and hit the 150 mark a lot. Once I had my wife on the back at 140, and she leaned forward and asked if it will go any faster!

You have a very special wife... :thumbup:

[Allen42]

BTW, the best I can get the RT to go is 113 GPS verified (many times). BRP programming limits the max regardless of gear.

Has anyone figured out how to re-program this limit? Still asking for a friend, of course.

[Peter Aawen]

Has anyone figured out how to re-program this limit? Still asking for a friend, of course.

You could go the conservative route and buy a Power Commander or Pedal Box, which won't actually increase the engine's 'power output' any, just give it to you/make it accessible to you sooner with less throttle twisting effort on your behalf; or you could go the whole hog and get yourself an ECU Upgrade! Here on this side of the World where I am, you'd go to Jase at ECU Xtreme for this, and have a talk to him about what you need/want and how to access all that from your engine; your side of the World, it's probably Monster Fuel Injection &/or Wick-It Performance that you'll need to see (they're much the same mob, really just different 'preferred names' depending upon which side of the border you live - only I do hope they're the right names; if not, I'm sure someone will provide the correct names - it's early here, & I need coffee PDQ! :coffee: ) Mind you, there's already this (see below) here in this thread! ;)


I had Wick-it Performance tune the ECM and raise the rev limiter to 8900 ram. I've not been there, YET, but I've been close. At 8500 or 8600 in 4th or 5th gear things are beginning to happen real quick. Maybe someday, I'll try it in 6th.
The ECM tune (stage2) is absolutely the best thing you can do to your Spyder. Even if you never get over the speed limit, you won't believe how well your Spyder runs. I can't recommend it enough. Try it, you'll like it.

:agree: So Allen, searching on any of those names; on 'ECU Upgrade'; or likely even just on 'ECU', should get you a whole raft of information and lead you directly to the right place and a lot of discussion on how to unleash more of the power & performance that BRP decided that you as a Spyder Ryder simply CANNOT HAVE in your factory spec de-tuned and significantly restricted/restrained/retarded Spyder, despite BRP offering other platforms running what is effectively the same engine, only not de-tuned and rev-limited to anywhere near the same extent; all without any significant maintenance &/or reliability issues too!! :shocked:

A Spyder without some or all of those 'factory-imposed' limitations will open the door & your experiences to a whole 'nuther world of performance and enjoyment, basically letting your machine become what you really wanted in the first place - and it'll be something that'll make you juuust a little 'quietly glad' (or should that be 'smugly glad'?? :rolleyes: ) that you don't have all the limitations that people have mentioned earlier in this thread on your machine!! :ohyea: :2excited: :yes: :firstplace: :cheers:

Ps: I too have one of those Wives who appreciates performance! :rolleyes: ;) The only time I get an elbow or a smack on the back while out riding is when she wants me to go faster!! :yes:

[Allen42]

You could go the conservative route and buy a ....

Awesome response!

I wish this board could do two things:
1) Be actually usable on a mobile phone
2) Bookmark or favorite posts for me to find later

[Peter Aawen]

Awesome response!

I wish this board could do two things:
1) Be actually usable on a mobile phone
2) Bookmark or favorite posts for me to find later

1). If you can use the internet on your mobile phone, then surely you can use forum on your mobile phone? :dontknow: I do just that, quite a lot! ;)

2). You can always subscribe to threads that interest you: just click on Thread Tools, which is in the line immediately above the first post in the thread; then click on 'Subscribe to this thread' in the drop-down list that'll appear, then select the type of notification you want so that you get notified whenever there's a new post added to the thread - after that, if you want to find your subscribed thread again without there being any new posts recently, you can always open 'Quick Links' in the menu bar above the Sponsor's Logos, then click on 'Subscribed Threads', and scroll down the list until you find the one you want;

OR, if you've opened the thread to a particular post, as I have in this thread, opening it to your post thru the 'New Posts' search; you can then copy the browser address line and save it to your favourites in whatever browser you use, assigning it a name that's meaningful to you; see the post# 1706193 at the end of this address line:

htxx://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/showthread.php?159462-How-Much-Do-You-Use-Wide-Open-Throttle&p=1706193#post1706193

(link disabled for demo purposes ;) ) The only issue with doing this is that instead of leaving the address string as it is above (which might show you the thread title, it doesn't convey much about what the post actually refers to!) you really need to give each 'saved favourite' a name that you'll remember and that you can search for later on... ;) You can even do this on the internet thru your mobile phone, just like I already do, quite a lot! This post comes to you from my phone, using the internet & a browser just like I do when I'm sitting at my desk at home! :thumbup:

All that said, please do remember that this Forum, as it is now, IS what we've got! :2thumbs:

And it's all provided to you/us FOR FREE, as a service to the SpyderLovers community! Sure, it also happens to help the businesses of the Owner and our Sponsors, but you don't get asked to contribute any $$ to continue to use this site, do you?? The site is run on a base platform which someone has had to maintain and operate, as well as developing it in the first place and keeping it operating as a viable platform; AND they have to market it and sell it to users like us in order to recoup their development costs; so it's not shared for FREE, meaning that the Owner and our Sponsors here pay for us to use the base platform as provided by the developer (but remember, you get to use & access this Forum for free!) As such, this is a Forum run on fairly generic 'bulletin board' platform, but that basic platform is continually being further developed, tested, and upgraded so that it can be sold & used by a vast array of Fora, all with slightly different needs and wants, so it needs to be fairly generic. :lecturef_smilie:

And Yes, this particular platform has been tailored a little to our specific needs/wants, all paid for by our Owner and Sponsors - tailoring that needs to be developed, tested, and integrated into the base platform to make sure it operates properly on the basic platform for EVERY change &/or upgrade made for whatever reason, which requires someone to be paid to do all that, and so it costs the Owner and our Sponsors even more $$ (but remember, you get access to this Forum for free!) And if there's any more basic functionality &/or specific features rpthat we want (like using specific mobile phone friendly tools/add-ons to enhance your mobile phone access; or developing special save/search/recall features), we can 'request' these specific mods &/or features of the platform developers, but someone still has to pay for these to developed, tested, integrated & then included in the next platform upgrade, and if no-one else in the wide range of communities that use this same platform want the same mods &/or features, you can guess who gets to pay for anything like that (but remember, you get to use and access this Forum for free)... only, if the platform developers don't see those particular mods/features as being an advantage to their platform/sales, then someone needs to be employed to do all that for us, AND THEN, those specific features that are now unique to THIS Forum need to be integrated into the base platform in a way that doesn't interfere with anything else, so they need their own unique design, development, integration, and testing process, a fairly expensive process that someone has to pay for (but remember, you get access to this Forum for free) AND ALL THAT HAS TO HAPPEN AGAIN EACH AND EVERY TIME FOR EVERY SINGLE UPGRADE TO THE BASE PLATFORM, EVERY SINGLE TIME ANYTHING CHANGES!! (but remember, you get access to all this on the Forum for free!) :rolleyes: Can you see that there's a bit of a trend developing here?? :dontknow:

As I mentioned when this was raised not that long ago (wasn't that by you, too?? :rolleyes: ) there was a time that this Forum DID support enhanced mobile phone access thru 'add-ons' (like tapatalk) but those many and varied add-on developers each had their own upgrade/development cycle, and the forum platform developers had a completely different upgrade/development cycle, and all the various systems were usually out of sync, causing faults & failures in the weirdest of places and ways - unless someone was paid to get all the necessary upgrade/integration/testing work done EVERY TIME for EVERY DIFFERENT ADD-ON and neither of those afore-mentioned developers were interested in funding that, so guess who paid again, and again, and again, EVERY TIME there was even the slightest change in any of those base platforms/products &/or any of the add-ons, meaning that we pretty much always had faults or glitches on the Forum somewhere cos it was almost impossible to keep up with all the changes and it all got pretty damned expensive very quickly (but remember, you get access to this Forum for free)!! :shocked:

So it is what it is - as SpyderLovers, we ALL have access to a Forum run on a relatively stable platform that allows reasonable access for most and it doesn't directly cost us anything to use; to do anything more will cost SOMEONE more, and it already costs our Owner and Sponsors a LOT, and not always with a clearly identifiable return on that investment!! So please remember, it is what it is, and you do get access to this Forum as it is for free!! :thumbup:

[Allen42]

My post was really meant to compliment your reply, not to attack the site or trigger you.


1). If you can use the internet on your mobile phone, then surely you can use forum on your mobile phone? :dontknow: I do just that, quite a lot! ;)

I do as well. It really doesn't adapt to the phone's screen. Fonts all very very small. Sample phone screenshots below.... your eyes must be a lot better than mine. It requires a lot of zooming and panning around with the fingers, and I have the iPhone Pro Max (large) model. Most sites have either "Reactive" html that reformats the screen, or a mobile version of the site altogether. No, I don't think it was me that mentioned this before, but maybe, because it irritates me a lot. So much so, that I'll see a new post notification at night on my phone and choose to wait until I get to my computer the next day to reply.


2)
if you've opened the thread to a particular post, as I have in this thread, opening it to your post thru the 'New Posts' search; you can then copy the browser address line and save it to your favourites in whatever browser you use, assigning it a name that's meaningful to you; see the post# 1706193 at the end of this address line


I'm already subscribed to this thread because I responded to it, and have auto-subscribe turned on. I get emails every time it gets an update. Unfortunately, it also means my subscription list is too long to find a specific post later. I'm looking for something that let's be favorite a specific post, not the whole thread. Something I can come back to maybe a year later. Your browser bookmark idea is the closest to what I want, but it's a bit of a workaround.


And yes, I very much appreciate Lamont and Lamonster Garage for providing this excellent forum. I try to drive people to this site a lot on FB groups when I know their answers are over here; I'm a big fan of the enormous set of knowledge over here. I understand the costs of changing things, I've been in IT since we used to run Fidonet Bulletin Boards over dial up. I was just trying to make suggestions on making it even better! I don't see anything wrong with offering improvement suggestions. Sorry if they didn't come across like that and received well. I'll keep quiet from now on and stick to Spyder talk.

I also apologize for taking this thread off topic. Again, it was really meant to point out how much I liked your ECU reply.

[pauly1]

I am the anthesis of a conservative riding style. That stated, it doesn't take WOT to drift around a corner or accelerate from a stop. I typically roll on the throttle as much as the rear tire can handle. Optimum shift point for acceleration is not redline on the tack, but around the peak torque curve. On my '15 F3-S, on a straight, flat road in remote NM, elevation ~4,000', loaded with travel gear, I did reach 108 on the GPS.

[BajaRon]

Appears that the lions share of responses went to 'Only When Necessary' and 'Sometimes'.

Somehow, I thought the group would be more on the frisky side. But stopping to think about it. Buying an RT and riding 2-up (which a huge number do) isn't for the purpose of whacking the throttle a lot. So I get it.

Interesting! Thank you for responding...

[Dasmoetorhead]

I voted more than most, but that was before the Pedalbox install. Lol

[vito1943]

Every ride.


Same for me. And if the bike were more powerful I likely would still do it. I'm old (81 next week) but I'm not dead yet.

[Dasmoetorhead]

Same for me. And if the bike were more powerful I likely would still do it. I'm old (81 next week) but I'm not dead yet.

Right on Brother. Hope I'm still riding when I'm 81. Your definitely an inspiration. Keep safe, and keep it between the Mustard & Mayonnaise ;-)>

[Snoking1127]

Same for me. And if the bike were more powerful I likely would still do it. I'm old (81 next week) but I'm not dead yet.

I will 80 in three weeks, and I just completed an 1800 commute from Arizona to Washington via Northern California on highway 1 and 101. I will be 80, with no intention of acting the age.

[BajaRon]

I will 80 in three weeks and I just completed a 1800 commute from Arizona to Washington via Northern California on highway 1 and 101. I will be 80 with no intension of acting the age.

The Spyder has gotten a reputation as 'An Old Persons Motorcycle'. When in reality, the Spyder is simply a Great Ride for anyone! It's just that more mature riders discovered it first!

[acdcking12]

I have assumed that doing this shortens the life of the bike, but I do it a lot, and don't give it a second thought.