I have a problem with Dishonest Dealers!

[ollicat]

OK venting here. I took my Spyder in for an oil change, replace the seat shock, check out the squeak in my brakes, and to rewire a light from the battery to the the accessory switch. After 5 weeks, they got MOST of the work done. Never got to the brakes - fine. They say they did the oil change, rewired the light and put on a new shock under warranty.

I get the bike back and find out - now the light doesn't work at all and worse, I investigated the strut and they never touched it. You can still see all the grim on it from when I brought it in - not a shiny new strut. But they billed Can Am for it and billed me for the light. (I sure hope that they actually did the oil change.)

Now I have to bring the bike back (50 minutes each way) and this time wait for them to do the work they said they had already done. I have a REALLY big problem with both shoddy and dishonest dealers. Such is the time we live in now.

[Bfromla]

:gaah:Sorry to hear:barf::banghead: maybe helpful to contact BRP cares?

[rhino1]

Sorry to hear that. That is why I’ll do my own oil changes and other work. It sounds like it is still under warranty, so if you do your own oil changes, make sure you keep your receipts on the oil and filter you buy. Keep a good log on what you do. Time and date of everything. I would file a complaint with BRP. Best of luck!

[Woodenfish]

I had the unfortunate luck of having to work with about 4-5 unscrupulous people among the hundreds I had been associated with over the long course of my career. They get caught and that bad apple’s taste for the easy money puts him out of a career as word quickly spread in the industry. I’m sure the management will be highly upset at this bad seed. I’m sorry it happened to you but their are low life’s that sometimes appear in every occupation. God just made people different for us all to deal with and make us stronger. Try not to let it eat you up during this time of extreme disappointment.

[canamjhb]

If that happened to me, (and something similar did), I would (did) have a very frank discussion with the Service Manager. He may not be aware that one of his technicians is costing him money and tainting his reputation. Give him a chance to bend over backwards (he should) to make things right for you and earn your future business and confidence. If the Manager is non-responsive, time to get the Owner involved. Good luck..... Jim

[2dogs]

Had similar situations happen to me. I began marking items that had to be removed by the dealership so when I got my items back I could confirm or dispel my suspicious nature. When confronted with my discoveries of fraud I received various responses from sincere apologies and refunds to threats to kick my ass. It was suggested to me by a very trustworthy dealer to discredit and expose fraudulent dealers and service departments by using social media like this site and Facebook so as to identify them for others to see. Also, it's appropriate to advertise quality performance and workmanship in the same way. :thumbup:

[BajaRon]

We have seen a spike in dealership issues since Covid. Work charged for and not even attempted. I know there are good dealerships out there. But the bad ones are ruining everyone's reputation. There is no excuse for it. Honest mistakes are made by everyone. But when that happens. You simply make it right. What happened to integrity? When it becomes all about the dollar, everyone suffers.

The Spyder/Ryker and bike world in general, is a community. Brothers and sisters in the saddle. This includes dealerships. We used to do what we could to help each other. That's the way it should be. And no reason it can't still be that way. Find someone you trust and support them. Hopefully, the others will either get their act together, or go away.

[Realtor]

I have questions about my dealership doing the last oil change too. got it done at 10K (supposedly), my oil is darker than the oil in the wife's machine. I don't think they did mine when they were both in there for the service, I ride mine more, but I have a feeling they skipped mine. I ordered the oil from amazon, and will do it myself, since BRP say 9K between changed, I'll do it at 15K, I'm at 12,500 now...

[Peacekeeper6]

OK venting here. I took my Spyder in for an oil change, replace the seat shock, check out the squeak in my brakes, and to rewire a light from the battery to the the accessory switch. After 5 weeks, they got MOST of the work done. Never got to the brakes - fine. They say they did the oil change, rewired the light and put on a new shock under warranty.

I get the bike back and find out - now the light doesn't work at all and worse, I investigated the strut and they never touched it. You can still see all the grim on it from when I brought it in - not a shiny new strut. But they billed Can Am for it and billed me for the light. (I sure hope that they actually did the oil change.)

Now I have to bring the bike back (50 minutes each way) and this time wait for them to do the work they said they had already done. I have a REALLY big problem with both shoddy and dishonest dealers. Such is the time we live in now.

When my boat was scheduled for a 50 hr inspection, I took it to a dealership. I made it a point to put a black dot with a felt pen on both the fuel and oil filters. They had my boat for a couple of days. When they said it was ready to be picked up, I decided to check to see if they indeed replaced both filters prior to hitching it up to my truck.

And wouldn't you know it ?? I saw the black dots which proved that they didn't even bother to change the filters.

Some dealerships are REALLY rip-off artists and don't really give a damn about their customer's car/boat/bike/whatever.

That is why most of them are called "stealerships" ....
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[BajaRon]

I have questions about my dealership doing the last oil change too. got it done at 10K (supposedly), my oil is darker than the oil in the wife's machine. I don't think they did mine when they were both in there for the service, I ride mine more, but I have a feeling they skipped mine. I ordered the oil from amazon, and will do it myself, since BRP say 9K between changed, I'll do it at 15K, I'm at 12,500 now...

I highly recommend doing your own oil changes if you can. I've had more than 1 customer that uses my HiFlo or K&N filter kits tell me stories. It usually goes something like this. "I do my own service but got pinched for time just before a long trip so I took my Spyder to the dealer and paid for a full oil service. When I did the next oil change I found the same, aftermarket brand filter as I use still in the bike which seemed suspicious. So, I called the dealership and asked what filters they use for Can-Am Spyder oil service. They told me they only use BRP manufacturer's brand oil filters on the Spyder. Now I wonder if they even changed the oil at all."

Are they telling me the truth? I really have not reason not to believe them. And I've heard this from more than 1 customer from different parts of the USA. Again, I would hope most dealerships are honest. In a forum like this you're always going to hear the worst of it. But then again. How many people are even able to check? It's an open invitation to cut corners, I am afraid.

[Ex-Rocket]

From all the above reasons this is why I do my own oil changes on my Spyder.

[Baron14y]

One way to eliminate this type of problem is to find a local maintenance shop that works on Spyders (if you can). I am lucky enough to have two such shops. Both do good honest work at a rate about 1/3 less than the stealership.:yes:

[BajaRon]

One way to eliminate this type of problem is to find a local maintenance shop that works on Spyders (if you can). I am lucky enough to have two such shops. Both do good honest work at a rate about 1/3 less than the stealership.:yes:

True, it does not necessarily have to be a Spyder dealer. Any decent mechanic can do the work. They just need to know the idiosyncrasies of our machines. Which is really true for any vehicle.

[JayBros]

Shoddy service, for whatever reason in any service activity, is what I call another nick in the slide down the razor blade of life. Constructively for the OP, the best approach, IMO, is to first call the dealership and express directly to the service manager why you visited the dealership to have the list of services performed and your displeasure with the service. If the service manager cannot rectify the obviously crappy situation ask to speak with the general manager/owner of the facility and his proposed resolution. If that proposed resolution is not satisfactory, send an email to BRPCare@BRP.com with all the gruesome details and ask for their assistance. Worst case, you might have to find another dealership. FWIW, my preferred dealership 90 miles away but because of the quality of the work I don't mind the trip and I have a variety of routes to get to & from the shop.

[ollicat]

I have an appointment on Saturday and will be addressing these issues with the Service Manager. I don't even have confidence the oil change was done.

[Little Blue]

I have an appointment on Saturday and will be addressing these issues with the Service Manager. I don't even have confidence the oil change was done.

Remember to always be calm. Who ever gets upset looses. Be it you or the service manager. Hopefully you have well documented paperwork on what the Dealer said they did. More is best.
Always be friendly and freely talk about the issue.
Try and keep the Service Manager on your side.
Remember he/she didn't do the job.

Good Luck with Your Mission. Keep the Spyder Forum in the loop.

Stay Healthy. ....:thumbup:

[2dogs]

Remember to always be calm. Who ever gets upset looses. Be it you or the service manager. Hopefully you have well documented paperwork on what the Dealer said they did. More is best.
Always be friendly and freely talk about the issue.
Try and keep the Service Manager on your side.
Remember he/she didn't do the job.

Good Luck with Your Mission. Keep the Spyder Forum in the loop.

Stay Healthy. ....:thumbup:

Well stated Little Blue. And keep in mind that the service manager is your only go-between, between you and BRP. If you pi$$ him off he/she may not go to bat for you with BRP when you really need the support, whether you're in or out of warranty.

[UtahPete]

Ollicat, I'm sorry you had to find this out the hard way, but the BRP dealer system sucks when it comes to service. And, what's worse is they don't support independent shops. I hope you're able to find a reputable independent shop near you to do the needed work if you're unable or unwilling to learn to do it yourself. The good news is you do have such near you in Tennessee i believe.

[2dogs]

Ollicat, I'm sorry you had to find this out the hard way, but the BRP dealer system sucks when it comes to service. And, what's worse is they don't support independent shops. I hope you're able to find a reputable independent shop near you to do the needed work if you're unable or unwilling to learn to do it yourself. The good news is you do have such near you in Tennessee i believe.

I mentioned this not long after I bought my spyder, that BRP's spyder dealer network may very well become their undoing. I live about 60 miles from a large BRP dealer. However, they do not sell spyders, and they WILL NOT touch a spyder. I visited their showroom one day, (nearly the size of a tennis court), and the salesman jokingly told me they had a shotgun over there in the corner for anyone who came in on a spyder. Maybe BRP won't allow them to sell spydes, I don't know.

[CloverHillCrawler]

I mentioned this not long after I bought my spyder, that BRP's spyder dealer network may very well become their undoing. I live about 60 miles from a large BRP dealer. However, they do not sell spyders, and they WILL NOT touch a spyder. I visited their showroom one day, (nearly the size of a tennis court), and the salesman jokingly told me they had a shotgun over there in the corner for anyone who came in on a spyder. Maybe BRP won't allow them to sell spydes, I don't know.

There is a dealer near me in Frederick and I think they have the proverbial shotgun in the corner for anyone that wants to buy one much less come in on one. Stood around in the dealership for almost an hour waiting to talk to someone before I finally gave up. I even had 2 sales people walk by and saw me sitting on the Spyder in the showroom.

They just chuckled and said "you like nice on it" as they kept walking by me to go towards the back of the store and ignore me. Never thought I would see the day where a sales person would turn their back on a possible $20K sale and just walk away from it.

[USAF]

Our Spyder was at our local dealer to get warranty work replacing the front tires, I said to him, so who is the Spyder guy/expert here ? He said None of us are and said we all hate working on them !!! Well that's encouraging to hear ! So I asked just for conversation, what the front lug torque is set at and they said " I dont know ?" They just guessed at it because when I got it back home I checked and it was about 180 lbs !!!!!! I don't trust anyone to work on my Spyder, I would rather skip the warranty and do it myself at this point...

[UtahPete]

I mentioned this not long after I bought my spyder, that BRP's spyder dealer network may very well become their undoing. I live about 60 miles from a large BRP dealer. However, they do not sell spyders, and they WILL NOT touch a spyder. I visited their showroom one day, (nearly the size of a tennis court), and the salesman jokingly told me they had a shotgun over there in the corner for anyone who came in on a spyder. Maybe BRP won't allow them to sell spydes, I don't know.

My local Can-Am dealer just quit selling and servicing Spyders a year after I bought mine. Told me they and the people who ride them are too much trouble (he's a friend).

[2dogs]

I totally understand.

[ollicat]

Ollicat, I'm sorry you had to find this out the hard way, but the BRP dealer system sucks when it comes to service. And, what's worse is they don't support independent shops. I hope you're able to find a reputable independent shop near you to do the needed work if you're unable or unwilling to learn to do it yourself. The good news is you do have such near you in Tennessee i believe.

Does anyone know of any private mechanics or shops within 50 - 75 miles of Memphis, TN?

[ollicat]

Our Spyder was at our local dealer to get warranty work replacing the front tires, I said to him, so who is the Spyder guy/expert here ? He said None of us are and said we all hate working on them !!! Well that's encouraging to hear ! So I asked just for conversation, what the front lug torque is set at and they said " I dont know ?" They just guessed at it because when I got it back home I checked and it was about 180 lbs !!!!!! I don't trust anyone to work on my Spyder, I would rather skip the warranty and do it myself at this point...

This is really really horrible news for someone that dropped over $30K on a bike. How in the world does Can Am let this happen? They should have factory folks out training their dealer techs. This is the kind of news that makes me want to sell my Spyder and get a converted Endeavor Trike GW or something similar.

[ARtraveler]

BRP used to read our posts regularly.

The thread is eye-opening. For me, I have aged out due to health. Once sold, my riding days on Spyders and motorcycles will be over.

You guys and gals are still stuck with me until SL tells me otherwise. :bowdown:

[2dogs]

BRP used to read our posts regularly.

The thread is eye-opening. For me, I have aged out due to health. Once sold, my riding days on Spyders and motorcycles will be over.

You guys and gals are still stuck with me until SL tells me otherwise. :bowdown:

I've followed you from Alaska to the lower 48 and you're not leaving me now. Knowledge and experience trumps health when it comes to helping others on this site.

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

Our Spyder was at our local dealer to get warranty work replacing the front tires, I said to him, so who is the Spyder guy/expert here ? He said None of us are and said we all hate working on them !!! Well that's encouraging to hear ! So I asked just for conversation, what the front lug torque is set at and they said " I dont know ?" They just guessed at it because when I got it back home I checked and it was about 180 lbs !!!!!! I don't trust anyone to work on my Spyder, I would rather skip the warranty and do it myself at this point...

I feel your pain ...... however you don't have to " skip the warranty " ....here in the U.S. we have the Moss-Magnussen Act, which requires honoring the Warranty no matter WHO does the work. .... just as long as it's done and you keep proof that it was done as prescribed in the Warranty ..... I learned Not to trust dealers a long time ago, and after the standard warranty expired, I never saw another dealer .... good luck .... Mike :thumbup:

[Woodenfish]

During the Great Recession of 2009 many new car dealerships sales and service customers in my area flat out quit coming in. Sales of new and used vehicles came to a absolute halt on the high lines we sold. New car deliveries from the manufacturer went from daily to once every couple of months. Our Service Department could of been attacked by 10 gun men and there would of been no one hit. Our best and highest earning customers were now facing bankruptcy. We lost a ton of the most experienced and highest trained technicians, parts people and service advisors in our shop to other occupations.

I said at the time that the industry is going to take years to recover from the loss. Being a service technician no matter what the vehicle, is extremely expensive to be equipped and trained. I imagine cycle, boat and sport dealerships were hit hard too. Post Covid, it’s deja vu all over again. We really blew it again and evidently never learned anything about the past. Good luck to all of the dealers out there trying to be fair and honest and having to hire what often is the bottom of the barrel just to stay alive. I know others in the trades who faced similar worries.

[UtahPete]

During the Great Recession of 2009 many new car dealerships sales and service customers in my area flat out quit coming in. Sales of new and used vehicles came to a absolute halt on the high lines we sold. New car deliveries from the manufacturer went from daily to once every couple of months. Our Service Department could of been attacked by 10 gun men and there would of been no one hit. Our best and highest earning customers were now facing bankruptcy. We lost a ton of the most experienced and highest trained technicians, parts people and service advisors in our shop to other occupations.

I said at the time that the industry is going to take years to recover from the loss. Being a service technician no matter what the vehicle, is extremely expensive to be equipped and trained. I imagine cycle, boat and sport dealerships were hit hard too. Post Covid, it’s deja vu all over again. We really blew it again and evidently never learned anything about the past. Good luck to all of the dealers out there trying to be fair and honest and having to hire what often is the bottom of the barrel just to stay alive. I know others in the trades who faced similar worries.

I don't agree with where you place the blame for bad dealerships.

[2dogs]

I don't agree with where you place the blame for bad dealerships.

I think I know where Woodenfish is going with this and I tend to agree but if I (we) go any further into it we'll be in violation of #2. I've been slapped before for going there.

[Woodenfish]

I think I know where Woodenfish is going with this and I tend to agree but if I (we) go any further into it we'll be in violation of #2. I've been slapped before for going there.
What I’m trying to convey is that good tradesmen are hard to find today in this new era and the development of new workers is costly, time consuming, and it’s extremely difficult to attract good young blood into the industry. I don’t care if you're a technician or a body and fender repairman, whatever, if you have a pulse and are willing to invest in a pair of work boots you have a job in today’s world. There is a long host of reasons and much of it goes into the changes in education and career development of youth which created the perfect storm and I will leave it at that. As consumers our expectations grew to very high levels in a working economy and I think now we are in for a time of adjustment.

[2dogs]

What I’m trying to convey is that good tradesmen are hard to find today in this new era and the development of new workers is costly, time consuming, and it’s extremely difficult to attract good young blood into the industry. I don’t care if you're a technician or a body and fender repairman, whatever, if you have a pulse and are willing to invest in a pair of work boots you have a job in today’s world. There is a long host of reasons and much of it goes into the changes in education and career development of youth which created the perfect storm and I will leave it at that. As consumers our expectations grew to very high levels in a working economy and I think now we are in for a time of adjustment.

:agree: However, I wouldn't invest any time money, or energy into the BRP spyder repair business. Especially if you had a family to support. Retired or semi retired maybe, I'd dink around with it a bit but I wouldn't consider it as a full time profession. Even if I had all the training, all tools and etc, and a 100 or 200 bay shop to store all the spyder repair jobs waiting for parts. :banghead:

[UtahPete]

What I’m trying to convey is that good tradesmen are hard to find today in this new era and the development of new workers is costly, time consuming, and it’s extremely difficult to attract good young blood into the industry. I don’t care if you're a technician or a body and fender repairman, whatever, if you have a pulse and are willing to invest in a pair of work boots you have a job in today’s world. There is a long host of reasons and much of it goes into the changes in education and career development of youth which created the perfect storm and I will leave it at that. As consumers our expectations grew to very high levels in a working economy and I think now we are in for a time of adjustment.

I think you have hit upon it there in your last sentence. Several generations now have grown up with unrealistic expectations about their futures. Global economics determine overall trends, not our seriously out-of-step economy that is driven by finance rather than industry. 2008 should have been a warning; there are other painful adjustments on the way.

[Bruiser37]

Unfortunately competent Can AM dealer service is hard to find anywhere in USA. Asking for help from BRP they always refer go to you local dealer...a stock answer to any problems you have... a continuous loop response. My experience through dealerships BRP guru engineering sucks. For me it was they always said try this and see if it works for over six months with my new 2021 RTL in dealership service shop. When I first brought Spyder in to fix cruise control and brake light issues I told them to replace brake switch. Six months later with BRP engineers trying to fix problem my RTL in shop all this time. Frustrated I told them I will purchase a brake switch if they will install it, they agreed they would order a switch and install it... Problem solved I fixed it.

[ollicat]

Well, Problems resolved. I was very nice to the lady service advisor. After 3 hours of waiting, then the service manager comes out and explains the situation to me. He also told me he is new and was brought in to clean up their service issues. They installed the new shock and the seat now stays up like it should. The rewired the light and now it works as it should. The only thing was they charged me another 1/2 hour shop fee, $85, because they said the wiring took a bit longer. I showed them my past receipt that I has already paid for the rewiring but the service lady conveniently switched the subject and told me how pretty my Spyder was and that the other lady that worked there was also drooling over it. Flattery got them everywhere so I paid and left, knowing I paid the stupid tax, but glad the ordeal was over.

[Realtor]

What I’m trying to convey is that good tradesmen are hard to find today in this new era and the development of new workers is costly, time consuming, and it’s extremely difficult to attract good young blood into the industry. I don’t care if you're a technician or a body and fender repairman, whatever, if you have a pulse and are willing to invest in a pair of work boots you have a job in today’s world. There is a long host of reasons and much of it goes into the changes in education and career development of youth which created the perfect storm and I will leave it at that. As consumers our expectations grew to very high levels in a working economy and I think now we are in for a time of adjustment.

I picked my Boat up from a dealership just yesterday, I have a Pilot house, and the main cabin door was "wonky" since it was bought 2 years ago (brand new). I've been waiting for a door replacement since I picked it up. Long story short. When I arrived to pick the boat up. The NEW door was worse than the old door. I ended up fixing and adjusting it myself there in their parking lot with their tools, and the young tech. helped me lol Not the techs fault. He was at work trying to learn, if you get my drift.

[UtahPete]

Well, Problems resolved. I was very nice to the lady service advisor. After 3 hours of waiting, then the service manager comes out and explains the situation to me. He also told me he is new and was brought in to clean up their service issues. They installed the new shock and the seat now stays up like it should. The rewired the light and now it works as it should. The only thing was they charged me another 1/2 hour shop fee, $85, because they said the wiring took a bit longer. I showed them my past receipt that I has already paid for the rewiring but the service lady conveniently switched the subject and told me how pretty my Spyder was and that the other lady that worked there was also drooling over it. Flattery got them everywhere so I paid and left, knowing I paid the stupid tax, but glad the ordeal was over.

What about the oil change?

[rhino1]

That was my thought also. What about the oil change!!

[CloverHillCrawler]

What I’m trying to convey is that good tradesmen are hard to find today in this new era and the development of new workers is costly, time consuming, and it’s extremely difficult to attract good young blood into the industry. I don’t care if you're a technician or a body and fender repairman, whatever, if you have a pulse and are willing to invest in a pair of work boots you have a job in today’s world. There is a long host of reasons and much of it goes into the changes in education and career development of youth which created the perfect storm and I will leave it at that. As consumers our expectations grew to very high levels in a working economy and I think now we are in for a time of adjustment.

I wish this were true, Being a Licensed Md. 1st Grade stationary engineer with 10 years experience as a senior engineer at one of the area's major Hospitals.

I went out to find a job at a lot of local businesses after being laid off from doing 20 years of IT work including my old trade of being an engineer.

I have yet to have any of the businesses respond to my resumes or applications even though I held a 1st class power engineers license, an MCP MCSA, and MCSE along with VMware experience and lots of hardware experience.

I even approached the union asking for help to get back in the trade when they were advertising for people. I am a vet and have plenty of good references , good credit, and a clean record. This was all during the pandemic when the market was " wide open"

I ended up working in the medical cannabis industry at a lot lower rate than what I was making so I could at least do some work that I enjoy. It would be nice to get back in the trade but someone needs to respond to my applications.

They keep saying they need people but I see too many post on next door for people looking for work. Something ain't jiving here!

[UtahPete]

This is my understanding of where the job market is presently. There's a big mismatch of supply and demand, but the direction of the mismatch varies considerably by industry, by geography, by demographics. It's going to take years to work itself out to something resembling a rational job market, unfortunately for many people. Your work ethic is admirable and will see you through to the other side, I'm sure.

[Woodenfish]

I wish this were true, Being a Licensed Md. 1st Grade stationary engineer with 10 years experience as a senior engineer at one of the area's major Hospitals.

I went out to find a job at a lot of local businesses after being laid off from doing 20 years of IT work including my old trade of being an engineer.

I have yet to have any of the businesses respond to my resumes or applications even though I held a 1st class power engineers license, an MCP MCSA, and MCSE along with VMware experience and lots of hardware experience.

I even approached the union asking for help to get back in the trade when they were advertising for people. I am a vet and have plenty of good references , good credit, and a clean record. This was all during the pandemic when the market was " wide open"

I ended up working in the medical cannabis industry at a lot lower rate than what I was making so I could at least do some work that I enjoy. It would be nice to get back in the trade but someone needs to respond to my applications.

They keep saying they need people but I see too many post on next door for people looking for work. Something ain't jiving here!
Having a such a special skill set normally in high demand in large urban areas would have you better employed in your field if maybe if you weren’t located so rural. Have you seriously considered moving?

[CloverHillCrawler]

Having a such a special skill set normally in high demand in large urban areas would have you better employed in your field if maybe if you weren’t located so rural. Have you seriously considered moving?

I moved here from Raleigh after my brother passed away right before the pandemic in 2020. He was the last of my family left there. I moved there in 2011 to help my mother out with my disabled brother after my dad passed away and her health was going downhill she passed in 2015.

My wife made a sacrifice and moved down there with me and helped me out so when my brother passed she wanted to move here to be closer to her family. I was offered a job in DC but they only wanted to pay 65,000 which was way below what I was making plus I would have a commute that started at 4 in the morning and end at about 8 PM. If I was in closer to DC it would be no problem.

But I really like only being about 15 -30 minutes away from work even though I make no where near as much now, plus I really enjoy working around the plants and I was just offered a job at another grow close by for more money plus I get my own room of plants to be able to take care of and take pride in.

I wish I could show pictures of some of the plants I have been working with but I am not allowed to do it. They are some beauties!

[ollicat]

What about the oil change?


That war my thought also. What about the oil change!!

Yup, they swore the oil change had been performed.

[UtahPete]

Yup, they swore the oil change had been performed.

You're okay with that? Are you willing to say you might have been wrong about them?

[ollicat]

You're okay with that? You're willing to say you might have been wrong about them?

No I am not wrong about the lights not being rewired properly or the seat strut being marked as fixed when it was not touched. I don't know how to find evidence one way or the other about whether an oil change was performed other than ask them point blank.

[JohnRuckus]

I wish this were true, Being a Licensed Md. 1st Grade stationary engineer with 10 years experience as a senior engineer at one of the area's major Hospitals.

I went out to find a job at a lot of local businesses after being laid off from doing 20 years of IT work including my old trade of being an engineer.

I have yet to have any of the businesses respond to my resumes or applications even though I held a 1st class power engineers license, an MCP MCSA, and MCSE along with VMware experience and lots of hardware experience.....
They keep saying they need people but I see too many post on next door for people looking for work. Something ain't jiving here!

Could be multiple things. Based on some of the things you mentioned a few things come to mind. I could be wrong, but with all of the years of experience and military backgroung(thanks for your sevice), I'd guess you're no younger than 40, but likely somewhat older. While it isn't cool, ageism does exists. You mentioned all of the certs as well. You may be submitting resumes to companies that assume they can't afford you for the role they want to fill. On the other side of that, you mentioned getting back into engineering. Current relating experience might be an issue, if you've been away dealing with IT and plants for a long period of time. Lastly, it could simply be something as your resume. I'd recommend getting with 1 of those career folks, I believe most departments of labor have classes/workshops for resume building and things of that nature. Find someone who can help you go over your resume and make any adjustments for the way things are today. Outside of that, I'd also suggest maybe looking into getting that resume into the hands of recruiters or job boards. I don't know if I can post them here and I'm sure you already know a few, but the dept of labor should have a good list of them. You're not far from a lot metropolitan areas and remote work is probably an option. A lot of companies have become a little more open to that since C19 hit the scene.
If all of that fails, go ahead and start the business you mentioned in a different post :)

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Could be multiple things. Based on some of the things you mentioned a few things come to mind. I could be wrong, but with all of the years of experience and military backgroung(thanks for your sevice), I'd guess you're no younger than 40, but likely somewhat older. While it isn't cool, ageism does exists. You mentioned all of the certs as well. You may be submitting resumes to companies that assume they can't afford you for the role they want to fill. On the other side of that, you mentioned getting back into engineering. Current relating experience might be an issue, if you've been away dealing with IT and plants for a long period of time. Lastly, it could simply be something as your resume. I'd recommend getting with 1 of those career folks, I believe most departments of labor have classes/workshops for resume building and things of that nature. Find someone who can help you go over your resume and make any adjustments for the way things are today. Outside of that, I'd also suggest maybe looking into getting that resume into the hands of recruiters or job boards. I don't know if I can post them here and I'm sure you already know a few, but the dept of labor should have a good list of them. You're not far from a lot metropolitan areas and remote work is probably an option. A lot of companies have become a little more open to that since C19 hit the scene.
If all of that fails, go ahead and start the business you mentioned in a different post :)

Don't want to hijack the thread anymore than I have but I am happy with what I am doing now and just saying from what is being portrayed about the job market and what I and other people I know experienced in real life is different. I will leave it at that.

Oh and thanks for being so kind and saying 40 for age I'll be 59 here shortly.:riding: