new 250cc spyder knock off [Archive] - Can-Am Spyder & Ryker Three Wheel Motorcycles

MizMuffet

08-29-2009, 08:10 PM

New design and nicer touch than other 250cc touring trikes. We have all seen the classic touring 250cc mopeds around. What about changing to a new design that is both sporty and has the class of any touring moped with yes, thress wheels! You know you have seen them on the roads and every IS watching. Well, "those" guys paid about $18,000 for theirs?~? for a trike??? Sounds like the only thing they have is bragging rights till you pull up next to one at the stop light and you'll laugh knowing you still have $11,000 left. Yea, and YOU can get on board for arond $6999.99 DELIVERED! Did you know in most states you DO NOT need a motorcycle license to drive a 3 wheel machine? Jut an old fashion driver license will do. What are YOU waiting for? Give us a call today to get your dream rolling! Collectors and skeptics watch our affordable cycles take over your over priced trikes!

What a laugh! Hope they like eating dust.

QuadManiac

08-30-2009, 02:37 AM

It'll probably do 85, my 250 scooter will barely, at full throttle, me in a full tuck with a tail wind. Seen this for a year or so, but never saw it for sale. Guess they finally got here by the slow boat from China. For maybe $3k, it would be a fun diversion. At that price, they're dreaming.

shunkmanitu

08-30-2009, 03:39 AM

/ Vehicle Dimensions & Weights /
SPYDER 250cc CRAP
Dry vehicle weight....................697 lbs (316 kg) 363.8 lbs
Front storage capacity.............2,685 in3 (44 l) NA
Front max load capacity...........30 lbs (15.9 kg) NA
Total vehicle load allowed........440 lbs (200 kg) 313 lbs
Fuel capacity............................7.13 US gal (27 l) 3.2 Gals
Vehicle overall height...............45.1 in 48.3 in
Vehicle overall length...............105 in 81.5 in
Vehicle overall width................59.3 in 48.4 in

250cc CRAP
NO stability control
NO antilock brakes
NO power steering
About 1/5 horsepower of Spyder

Smylinacha

08-30-2009, 07:10 AM

:roflblack:

bone crusher

08-30-2009, 07:32 AM

BTW, isn't there serious legal implications for basically copying the spyder? They even discuss that on their website...gee, what else could they be referring to?

XXX 74

08-30-2009, 09:25 AM

take it for what it is..

I think it would be fun to have one as well... just another toy to the list. and for the price.. you cant go wrong...

It is on my list already...

BumbleBee

08-30-2009, 09:31 AM

[quote=dave01;137150]Its a Spyder wannabe....http://pk.b5z.net/i/u/6023538/i/3wheelsprigrktathumb.jpg
:agree:What a joke...:roflblack:

aka1004

08-30-2009, 09:40 AM

some assembly required...
i hope one does pull up next to me.

QuadManiac

08-30-2009, 11:35 AM

"Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery."

But 'Touring Water'??? Where do the Chinese companies come up with these names? They could have used Arachnid.

cwhcwh

08-30-2009, 11:41 AM

:roflblack::roflblack::roflblack:

bone crusher

08-30-2009, 01:06 PM

Betcha they don't sell any...or at least, very few...anyone who knows it's a knockoff would likely stay away...it's not like you're getting a Spyder for 7k...you're getting a three-wheel moped for 7k and that's a lot...you'd be much better off getting that Italian Pia...whatever...that one is unique in its own right without copying the Spyder...

Oh yeah, the 7k is the sale price for this Water Whatever...apparently, the full price is over 17k....who are they kidding? Nice BS advertising!

Bersquack

08-30-2009, 01:18 PM

Probably has lead paint too!!!:roflblack: What a piece of junk. I wonder if they have DPS update problems too?

bjt

08-31-2009, 08:18 AM

BTW, isn't there serious legal implications for basically copying the spyder? They even discuss that on their website...gee, what else could they be referring to?

I don't think the Chinese manufacturers have ever cared much about the legality in copying others products. Heck probably a lot of American manufacturers would copy others if they could get away with it.

Magic Man

08-31-2009, 09:07 AM

I don't think the Chinese manufacturers have ever cared much about the legality in copying others products. Heck probably a lot of American manufacturers would copy others if they could get away with it.

Holding several Patents, Registered Copyrights and Trademarks I can tell you this...

These items are Country by Country registered, and a patent that is registered in one country has no power whatsoever in another country unless it is registered there too.

If you did not file and register your item in the ROC than a US patent has no sway in the ROC and it will become fair game there in no time at all.

Now, although you can't enforce anything against the company in the ROC who is making these, if you do have grounds for a patent case you could go after the company selling them in the country you have a patent in.

So, if it is found these do infringe, BRP could go after the importer and seller if need be. It won't stop the company from making them, but it will stop the sale in the country they bring the case in.

However, patent cases cost hugh money on both sides to get involved in, and can take years, and years to come to a close.

Maybe BRP is thinking these will get people thinking about this "kind of bike" so it's a bit of cross marketing? But, when people see how cheaply these are made than they will "step up" to the real thing and in the end get a Spyder?

MM

dave01

08-31-2009, 09:54 AM

But do the ESI parts fit on it?:roflblack::roflblack::roflblack:

If not, I wont buy one.

WackyDan

08-31-2009, 09:59 AM

It is cute and all....

17.2 hp cute.

Total rip off on look though of the SPyder though eh? Least the rear wheel is easier to access.

NewRider

08-31-2009, 01:44 PM

WackyDan

08-31-2009, 02:54 PM

"Never criticize another man, until you have walked a mile in his shoes".

If you haven't ridden one, who are some of you to pop off the usual bigoted "if it's Chinese, it must be crap" malarkey? They may well be quite nice little machines.:lecturef_smilie:

Considering we are all typing on our Chinese computers.... I work for a Chinese company, so I'm a bit sensitive to anti- Chinese sentiment. My company makes a very high quality product and a very well known brand while employing a few thousand people in the US and Canada.

3wheeldemon

08-31-2009, 06:29 PM

...
NO stability control
NO antilock brakes
NO power steering....

NO canister!:yes:

just kidding:roflblack:

3WD

SpyderKev

08-31-2009, 08:12 PM

"Never criticize another man, until you have walked a mile in his shoes".

If you haven't ridden one, who are some of you to pop off the usual bigoted "if it's Chinese, it must be crap" malarkey? They may well be quite nice little machines.:lecturef_smilie:Ok, I'm curious if anyone has had a Chinese manufactured ATV, Motorcycle, Scooter, etc that has stood the test of time.

I've been burned bad on a kids ATV and a few of my friends and brother have as well. My kids ATV started falling apart after the first ride, and it ate 2 pistons/rings in the first year. The distributer bailed after dumping a bunch of them on the market. I paid $1400 for it in addition to putting in a lot of hours/parts (took for ever to find parts) only to sell it for $200 after 1 year.

For comparison, I paid $800 for a used 1986 Honda 200SX in 2002 and the thing ran solid for over 5 years before the kids grew out of it and I sold it for $600 to a friend.

Don't get me wrong, I really am curious if the quality has come up any since my experiences.

Motza

08-31-2009, 08:24 PM

QuadManiac

08-31-2009, 08:30 PM

I currently have 2 Chinese and 1 Taiwanese scooter. They are all built on the same basic floorpan. One Chinese is a 150cc aircooled (i've had 2 others), one is a 150cc water cooled and the Taiwanese is a 250cc water cooled. I've also had (and just recently sold) a Japanese (80's) Yamaha 180 scooter and Yamaha 50cc and a Chinese 50cc scooter.

Of all, the Taiwanese (Kymco) and the Yamaha's were the best built, but the Chinese weren't bad. The primary problem with the Chinese bikes is QA. You'd receive them and bolts would be loose, wiring kind of shoddy and overall not as good a fit and finish as the Japanese and Tiawanese bikes, which are top notch. Apparently they all follow the same basic design, borrowed from 80's Yamaha and Hondas that they were licenesed to build for in country use. THe parts, instead of coming from big suppliers, come from small mom and pop shops, all made to fit the common platform. So, the quality of a particular brand of Chinese bike (even though the parts are almost all interchangeable) is wholly dependent upon who the assembler (who ultimately sells to the US sellers) uses as his parts suppliers and how good their QA is.

I'm sure this new Spyder clone is built with the same basic parts as the 2 wheeled 250's - A GY6 engine/CVT transmission/rear wheel assembly all as a single unit, pivoting around the frame mount with shock/s to the frame. All they've changed is the front half of the frame adding a-arms and steering. (Yes, the entire engine, tranny and rear wheel are live, unsprung weight)

I sure wouldn't pay $7,000 for this. The quality and value of the drive train just doesn't support it. The standard Chinese 2 wheel 250's go for between $1.5 and 2.5k... If this was available for maybe $3k, I'd consider it just so my G/F could have something to ride along with me once in a while.

Until then, I guess I'm saving up for another Spyder for her.

bone crusher

08-31-2009, 08:32 PM

bone crusher

08-31-2009, 08:34 PM

I'd buy one for $2500 and give it to my son instesd of a go cart...
But since I don't have a son to bad! I'll take one in pink... "Barbie Spyder"

Next you'll see an Chinese version of Magic Man accessories, called Miso Magic Man...
Miso funny

:roflblack::roflblack::roflblack: It'll be like the Saturday Night Live Adobe car...(if anyone can remember that far back?)

Arch

08-31-2009, 08:49 PM

You haven't seen any yet have you. They are held up at their boarder and not being shipped. Problem with manufacturing, not being allowed out of the country is my understanding. Had a dealer here have two on order for months and can't get them delivered and can't get his money back. He was laughing at me for buying the spyder and paying so much for one. Hate to say it but who is laughing now.

Ed

dltang

08-31-2009, 08:55 PM

Ok, I'm curious if anyone has had a Chinese manufactured ATV, Motorcycle, Scooter, etc that has stood the test of time.

I've been burned bad on a kids ATV and a few of my friends and brother have as well. My kids ATV started falling apart after the first ride, and it ate 2 pistons/rings in the first year. The distributer bailed after dumping a bunch of them on the market. I paid $1400 for it in addition to putting in a lot of hours/parts (took for ever to find parts) only to sell it for $200 after 1 year.

For comparison, I paid $800 for a used 1986 Honda 200SX in 2002 and the thing ran solid for over 5 years before the kids grew out of it and I sold it for $600 to a friend.

Don't get me wrong, I really am curious if the quality has come up any since my experiences.

I had a QLink 150cc Scooter prior to my Spyder. I really did like it and I rode it everywhere. It worked just fine. I actually was looking to upgrade to a larger scooter when we came across the spyder. I had a very good experience and for the price, it fit my needs. Just like the spyder, the dealership has a lot to do with it. I could have purchased a much cheaper version of the scooter on line but I wanted to get one from a real dealership. I used the same dealership that I have currently for my spyder. I had a little bit of work on the scooter but it was all under warranty. Never put out any extra money for it. I changed the oil regularly and took care of it. I can see why people would purchase these chinese knock offs. It you can't afford more you made do with what you can afford. If you take care of it and work with reputable people, it usually works out to your advantage. I am sure there are plenty of horror stories but hey, look at the outsider that reads our forum. What do you think is going through his mind about the spyder. Anyway, I love my spyder way better than my scooter but I did have a good experience and that is what the question was.

jvicker

08-31-2009, 09:29 PM

My riding lawn mower has more horsepower.

But the 80mpg would be nice.

Maybe I could use it as a winter beater!;)

jvicker

08-31-2009, 09:37 PM

some assembly required...
i hope one does pull up next to me.

:agree: A spyder can smoke almost anything. I'd love to see one pull up next to me at a light.

Grandma's Hoverround might even be able to take it.

SpyderKev

08-31-2009, 09:38 PM

I had a QLink 150cc Scooter prior to my Spyder. I really did like it and I rode it everywhere. It worked just fine. I actually was looking to upgrade to a larger scooter when we came across the spyder. I had a very good experience and for the price, it fit my needs. Just like the spyder, the dealership has a lot to do with it. I could have purchased a much cheaper version of the scooter on line but I wanted to get one from a real dealership. I used the same dealership that I have currently for my spyder. I had a little bit of work on the scooter but it was all under warranty. Never put out any extra money for it. I changed the oil regularly and took care of it. I can see why people would purchase these chinese knock offs. It you can't afford more you made do with what you can afford. If you take care of it and work with reputable people, it usually works out to your advantage. I am sure there are plenty of horror stories but hey, look at the outsider that reads our forum. What do you think is going through his mind about the spyder. Anyway, I love my spyder way better than my scooter but I did have a good experience and that is what the question was.

Interesting to hear that people have had some success on the Chinese scooters. Perhaps this is more of a dirtbike/atv issue?

On my ATV's/Dirtbikes I change the oil & oil filter after every other ride with a good synthetic oil and clean/oil the air filters after every ride. I prefer to do all the engine work on the fleet, so I'm critical about maintenance. All of my families quads/bikes right now are Honda's (except the Spyder), but we've owned some from all the big 4 Japanese manufactures with great success.

shunkmanitu

08-31-2009, 09:50 PM

My riding lawn mower has more horsepower.

Mine to!
http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=14&pictureid=5724

bjt

08-31-2009, 10:09 PM

Interesting to hear that people have had some success on the Chinese scooters. Perhaps this is more of a dirtbike/atv issue?

On my ATV's/Dirtbikes I change the oil & oil filter after every other ride with a good synthetic oil and clean/oil the air filters after every ride. I prefer to do all the engine work on the fleet, so I'm critical about maintenance. All of my families quads/bikes right now are Honda's (except the Spyder), but we've owned some from all the big 4 Japanese manufactures with great success.

At the time we got it, the QLink was supposed to be the top of the line Chinese scooter. For that, we paid a $1000 + premium for it over a lot of other cheap 150cc scooters. I didn't think as much of it as dltang did but it was hers and she rode it just about anywhere she could. I would have preferred one of the Japanese scooters over the QLink but they were another $1500 (and up) more than what we paid for the QLink.

In the end, that scooter led us both to the Spyder so I guess it worked out in that respect.

pjense2002

08-31-2009, 10:14 PM

my dad just got a cvt 250 liquid cooled china made rig with the old tooling honda motor he gave 900 bucks it looks good runs good starts right up and get around 70 mpg with him on it he is about 5' 10" 280 lbs
but it will barely go 70 and it is wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyy lighter than this thing
also it does not say anything (if i remember correctly) about power steering
that thing will be a beast to turn and it is at most going to be pushing 50 mph

and we all know that this thing will be colored plastic (not painted)
so just like they say you get what you pay for

btw his is a mp250 used with 900 miles it has a radio and key faub remote start and front and rear storage it was truly a bargain if he even gets 1000 miles out of her

SpyderKev

08-31-2009, 10:23 PM

The other concerning factor is the narrower width of it. It's 48" vs the Spyder's 59". I imagine this thing would flip easily if you had to swerve. :shocked:

QuadManiac

08-31-2009, 11:43 PM

The other concerning factor is the narrower width of it. It's 48" vs the Spyder's 59". I imagine this thing would flip easily if you had to swerve. :shocked:

AND I seriously doubt it has any form of nanny... some of the newest large Chinese scooters do have simple anti-lock brakes, but that's all I would expect here. I'd bet that it will do 0-60 in the 12-15 second regime; It's not gonna be a speedster... BUT it will go fast enough in turns to get you into trouble.

XXX 74

09-01-2009, 08:11 AM

"Never criticize another man, until you have walked a mile in his shoes".

If you haven't ridden one, who are some of you to pop off the usual bigoted "if it's Chinese, it must be crap" malarkey? They may well be quite nice little machines.:lecturef_smilie:

:agree: no reason to be haters.. it is what it is. it should be a fun toy to have as well... I would buy it. with a 250cc and the stability of a 3 wheeler, is way safer than getting a scooter...

most of you are missing the point. A lot of people dont have the resources to buy a spyder, this is an alternate choice for them to have fun just like a spyder owner... If BRP was intelligent enough, they would make the Spyder available in different sizes just like any other counterparts do with the bikes... 600cc, 750cc, 1000cc, 1300cc, etc...

:agree: A spyder can smoke almost anything. I'd love to see one pull up next to me at a light.

Grandma's Hoverround might even be able to take it.

:roflblack::roflblack: the spyder is not fast. :roflblack::roflblack:

how can you compare the spyder to a 250cc??? :roflblack: it shows how much you really know...:roflblack:

how would you like any sports bike to pull next to you on a light and do the exact same thing ? and i am not talking about a 1000cc. or a Hayabusa 1300cc... Even the 600cc like the Yamaha R6/ Suzuki GSX-R 600/ Ninja 600 will smoke you...

shunkmanitu

09-01-2009, 08:57 AM

:agree: no reason to be haters.. it is what it is. it should be a fun toy to have as well... I would buy it. with a 250cc and the stability of a 3 wheeler, is way safer than getting a scooter...
The only given stability of a three wheeler over a two wheeler is at rest. That is the reason for the "Nanny" on the spyder. I can corner as fast on Iktome as I could on the Pacific Coast and gravel will not mean a "low-side". The much narrower track of the 250 and NO stability control could well get one into trouble. That is the reason I got the Spyder over other Trikes, both professional and homebuilts. It is well designed even though most of us could see some changes.

most of you are missing the point. A lot of people dont have the resources to buy a spyder, this is an alternate choice for them to have fun just like a spyder owner... If BRP was intelligent enough, they would make the Spyder available in different sizes just like any other counterparts do with the bikes... 600cc, 750cc, 1000cc, 1300cc, etc...

One good engine is better than several fair ones. Less power than the Spyder would be a disapointment for most riders. More power would overprice the Spyder and just overwork the traction control.

:roflblack::roflblack: the spyder is not fast. :roflblack::roflblack:

Hit the red-line in the first three gears in front of any cop then try to convince him; "But Officer, the Spyder is NOT fast."!

how can you compare the spyder to a 250cc??? :roflblack: it shows how much you really know...:roflblack:

The joke is that the whole discussion is exactly that. Spyder verses a market rip-off.

how would you like any sports bike to pull next to you on a light and do the exact same thing ? and i am not talking about a 1000cc. or a Hayabusa 1300cc... Even the 600cc like the Yamaha R6/ Suzuki GSX-R 600/ Ninja 600 will smoke you...

Compare it to other Trikes, it is a Soprt Touring set-up, NOT a race replica (GSX-R or R6). In an urban situation there is little chance to use the full power or handling of the Spyder. Even in the rural Alabama countryside there are too many tractors, farm trucks, tourists, and wandering critters to really get into it much.

XXX 74

09-01-2009, 11:02 AM

shunkmanitu

your response is a Typical blinded owner response...

some people complaint that they dont want the "nanny" (Traction control) and other that the reason they got it is because of the nanny...
the "nanny" simply compensates for the inability or lack of ability of the driver/rider. A good rider does not want it because it takes away some of the fun... an average to novice driver needs it because it would save them from themselves... I think that there should be a switch to turn it on or off... I hate when the nanny takes over when im having fun with the spyder...
a couple of years ago there was no "nanny".

"One good engine is better than several fair ones. Less power than the Spyder would be a disapointment for most riders. More power would overprice the Spyder and just overwork the traction control."

I have no idea how you came up with "one good engine"... specially with the rotax...
The gixxer has 4 lines and ALL of them have great engines...Some of them setting the standard for what a great motorcycle production street legal engine for bikes is all about... for the record, I would not mind a smaller engine with a smaller price and I would not mind a bigger one... therefore that is a matter of opinions... I bet that if there was an option of a 600cc Spyder out there with a smaller price tag then there will be more 600cc spyders out there... most people buy the spyper for the FUN FACTOR !!

so you say that the power of the bike should be limited to the traction control because if the bike has more power then it will overwork the traction control?? :roflblack::roflblack::roflblack::roflblack: you are hilarious :roflblack:

I got the spyder for the fun factor. not the fast factor...

"Hit the red-line in the first three gears in front of any cop then try to convince him; "But Officer, the Spyder is NOT fast."!
Compare it to other Trikes, it is a Soprt Touring set-up, NOT a race replica (GSX-R or R6). In an urban situation there is little chance to use the full power or handling of the Spyder. Even in the rural Alabama countryside there are too many tractors, farm trucks, tourists, and wandering critters to really get into it much."

again, you missed the point. someone was comparing the spyder to the 250cc...

but since you want to compare the spyder to other trikes i can say that... The spyder is not fast...
check the t-rex or the scorpion or the busa trike or the crossbow or the trirod or the subG1...

like you said and i think this is where we both agree: it is a Sport Touring set up.

I think BRP should have different engine versions.. give people choices...

Bottom line is that I know The Spyder is a great bike for the price, i got it for the fun factor but Im not a blind Spyder owner and i can see how other people can benefit from having options...

I would buy the "replica" for me or for my son... save a lot of money and have fun with it... :clap:

I hope more manufacturers start building more trikes... I would love to see a trike made by Suzuki/Yamaha/Kawasaki/ with the option of a 600cc / 750cc/ 1000cc or even the 1300cc... :clap::clap::clap:

if I knew then what I know now i would have gotten the busa conversion in the picture below..

SpyderKev

09-01-2009, 02:08 PM

...
I would buy it. with a 250cc and the stability of a 3 wheeler, is way safer than getting a scooter...

most of you are missing the point. A lot of people dont have the resources to buy a spyder, this is an alternate choice for them to have fun just like a spyder owner...
...I disagree, I would say a scooter is way safer than a poorly engineered 3 wheeler any day. With a 3 wheeler you're depending on the vehicle to stay flat as you TURN through a corner with the bars. The primary control you have in this case is countering the turn and front end traction with your body weight and your control of speed. If the front end is too narrow for the center of gravity/speed it's going to throw you high side. My experience with 48" sport quads on asphault is that at 48", even if you hang your body way over the other side, you're going to have to slow down a lot to corner even mildly sharp corners. I modified my race quads to widen them to 50" and lowered them with suspension valving, etc and this helped a bunch on dirt. Without getting into it, the physics of a scooter/motorcycle are obviously completly different.

As far as value it, if you picked up this knock-off for $7k and it lasted 1 or maybe 2 years the cost of ownership would be crazy high. Then you have to factor in maintenance along the way and resale value. That's what's in question in my mind. Just because someone can get into it cheap doesn't make it a bargain.

bone crusher

09-01-2009, 03:04 PM

I disagree, I would say a scooter is way safer than a poorly engineered 3 wheeler any day. With a 3 wheeler you're depending on the vehicle to stay flat as you TURN through a corner with the bars. The primary control you have in this case is countering the turn and front end traction with your body weight and your control of speed. If the front end is too narrow for the center of gravity/speed it's going to throw you high side. My experience with 48" sport quads on asphault is that at 48", even if you hang your body way over the other side, you're going to have to slow down a lot to corner even mildly sharp corners. I modified my race quads to widen them to 50" and lowered them with suspension valving, etc and this helped a bunch on dirt. Without getting into it, the physics of a scooter/motorcycle are obviously completly different.

As far as value it, if you picked up this knock-off for $7k and it lasted 1 or maybe 2 years the cost of ownership would be crazy high. Then you have to factor in maintenance along the way and resale value. That's what's in question in my mind. Just because someone can get into it cheap doesn't make it a bargain.

:agree: $7k is still a lot of money...and for that thing??

Magic Man

09-01-2009, 03:11 PM

As far as value it, if you picked up this knock-off for $7k and it lasted 1 or maybe 2 years the cost of ownership would be crazy high. Then you have to factor in maintenance along the way and resale value. That's what's in question in my mind. Just because someone can get into it cheap doesn't make it a bargain.

True indeed! :2thumbs:

The real cost of a bike is the differance between what you pay for it new and what you get for it when you sell it used. (reasonable repairs aside)

The rest was just a "deposit" so to speak on the bike that is returned when you sell it.

MM

XXX 74

09-01-2009, 03:49 PM

I disagree, I would say a scooter is way safer than a poorly engineered 3 wheeler any day.

As far as value it, if you picked up this knock-off for $7k and it lasted 1 or maybe 2 years the cost of ownership would be crazy high. Then you have to factor in maintenance along the way and resale value. That's what's in question in my mind. Just because someone can get into it cheap doesn't make it a bargain.

I agree with you.. but there is no proof that the one in question is poorly engineered... ;) not yet.

whom ever said the price is 7k is crazy... the retail is $4600 and nobody pays retail unless they are crazy...

Magic Man

09-01-2009, 04:10 PM

I agree with you.. but there is no proof that the one in question is poorly engineered... ;) not yet.

whom ever said the price is 7k is crazy... the retail is $4600 and nobody pays retail unless they are crazy...

I saw the demo they had at the Dealer show in Indy this past Feb. Let's just say they aren't horrible as I have seen worst from overseas, but they are no Spyder for sure.

An MSRP of $4600 for these might not be too bad a list price. But from what I know of these kind of scooters from China, there will be very little if any "real" warranty coverage (most times parts only and no dealer network even if it covers labor too) and parts can be real hard if not almost impossiable to get.

Really, IMHO planning to keep one of these long term or for high miles would not be the best of plans.

Now, to use as a knock around town or as a pit bike they might be real fun and cool for sure. I just don't know how over the long term they will be?

MM

shunkmanitu

09-01-2009, 04:21 PM

:joke:
shunkmanitu

your response is a Typical blinded owner response...

so you say that the power of the bike should be limited to the traction control because if the bike has more power then it will overwork the traction control?? :roflblack::roflblack::roflblack::roflblack: you are hilarious :roflblack:

Ilike you said and i think this is where we both agree: it is a Sport Touring set up.

Bottom line is that I know The Spyder is a great bike for the price, i got it for the fun factor but Im not a blind Spyder owner and i can see how other people can benefit from having options...

if I knew then what I know now i would have gotten the busa conversion in the picture below..

Thank you for your opinion and your rude, condescending attitude.

jvicker

09-01-2009, 04:48 PM

:roflblack::roflblack: the spyder is not fast. :roflblack::roflblack:

Hit the red-line in the first three gears in front of any cop then try to convince him; "But Officer, the Spyder is NOT fast."!

how can you compare the spyder to a 250cc??? :roflblack: it shows how much you really know...:roflblack:

The joke is that the whole discussion is exactly that. Spyder verses a market rip-off.

Thanks shunkmanitu. :thumbup: At least someone understands the "fun" we are trying to have with this. A Spyder and a motorcycle, Yes there is no comparison. A Spyder and a "Spyder" replica. I think I'm aloud to poke fun at it.

XXX 74

09-01-2009, 05:25 PM

I saw the demo they had at the Dealer show in Indy this past Feb. Let's just say they aren't horrible as I have seen worst from overseas, but they are no Spyder for sure.

An MSRP of $4600 for these might not be too bad a list price. But from what I know of these kind of scooters from China, there will be very little if any "real" warranty coverage (most times parts only and no dealer network even if it covers labor too) and parts can be real hard if not almost impossiable to get.

Really, IMHO planning to keep one of these long term or for high miles would not be the best of plans.

Now, to use as a knock around town or as a pit bike they might be real fun and cool for sure. I just don't know how over the long term they will be?

MM

:agree: is a trike to have fun... pit bike sounds like a plan... is no spyder for sure and therefore there is no comparison... NONE. but as another toy (like I have said multiple times) I can see many advantages...

:joke:

Thank you for your opinion and your rude, condescending attitude.

I did not mean to be either rude or condescending. forums are a great way to communicate with one another but sometimes the fun part gets lost in translation... If you feel I was condescending to you, then I apologize. That was not my intention. ;)

shunkmanitu

09-01-2009, 06:02 PM

[quoteI did not mean to be either rude or condescending. forums are a great way to communicate with one another but sometimes the fun part gets lost in translation... If you feel I was condescending to you, then I apologize. That was not my intention. ;)[/quote]

Accepted, Truth is, when the Kidney Doctor took away my two wheels I would have ridden nearly anything. Looked close at the Wing conversions and the Harley "Tri-Glide", even a Ural with a side car. Nearly fifty years of trying various trikes never gave me a good impression of them. I have ridden a few BIG (V-6 & V-8) that were not too bad except for the huge size and length.

Given room, I ride hard (for an old man) and would love to still have a sport touring such as the V-4 Honda. As I mentioned in the past, a Spyder buitl by Honda with their styling, bags, 1300 V-4, etc would have been my choice. Got the next best thing.

BTW, you can lift a wheel, leave black all the way across an Alabama creek bridge, do a three wheel slide, and outrun a good number of Baby Squiddlies on the river road that have never pushed a Brit Triple to the limits aginst the "new" CB-750 Hondas on California tracks.

There are lots of the PRC & ROK scooters around this area. Checked several of them out for people I know and pushed them toward a couple of the entries from India. When you are fifteen it is hard to beat a 125 cc "chopper" that, at fifty yards, looks like it was built by OCC. We are a service industry area and "good money" for lots of these kids is $10/hr flipping meat at a beach Wendy's!