widowmaker2011
08-07-2009, 10:59 AM
I posted a week ago about how after the recall was completed we had some "issues" :cus: and had a trip to New Jersey pretty much ruined. Here is a followup on our findings after the recall. (Note , for those that still don't know , as part of the "update" there is a fuel map change that alters the way fuel is delivered throughout the rpm range, this has been noted and questioned in a couple posts , but just so its clear , yes this is also part of the update)(And no it cannot be left out, its all automatic)
Steering: Carol immediately noted the steering was "night and day" compared to how it was before on her Spyder and says she is no where near as worn out after a spirited ride in the twisties. I said hmmmm because didn't immediately notice a difference , however I now have amassed 1500 miles in 8 days between both spyders and yes there is a difference. A big one. It is most noticeable to me in parking lots (seems way easier) and in fast twisties. The effort is greatly reduced and it gives you a higher degree of confidence in my opinion. :2thumbs:
GPS: Both of our Spyders started going into limp mode and throwing the "E" message when in 4th gear or down shifting into 1st. Yeah it definately ruined a trip we were taking and I was pretty hot.
Since then BRP has worked closely with my dealer (and called me several times) and PE 2011 is fixed and on the Road and PE 1941 should be done today. PE 2011 had a new part number GPS sensor installed and ten miles later the code reappeared while the technician was roadtesting it. BRP asked him to reposition the new sensor. This seemed odd to him and I as they only bolt in one way but they said there was a slight bit of rotation you can get out of the sensor once installed. He loosened the bolts and did find he could rotate the sensor just a hair and retightened as per their instructions. That was 200 miles ago and all is good. I inspected the old sensor with him and I will tell you the tolerance on these is super super tight. If there is anything not lined up perfectly it can throw the code. Carols is being installed today and hopefully its the last we have to do with that issue. We had had very few opportunities to ride this year prior to our planning our vacation so maybe the GPS sensors just both decided to fail within a day of each other. Stranger things have happened. :dontknow: UPDATE JUST RECEIVED A CALL FROM THE DEALER THE ISSUE WITH OUR ERROR CODES IS WITH A PROCEDURE THAT SHOULD BE DONE AFTER THE ECM UPDATE. THE BULLETIN DOES NOT STATE THAT YOU SHOULD RESET CLOSED THROTTLE POSITION AND GPS BUT WHEN HE INSPECTED CAROLS HE FOUND THEY WERE BOTH OUT OF CALIBRATION HE RESET THESE 2 AND THE FAULTS IMMEDIATELY CORRECTED. HE CONTACTED BRP AND TOLD THEM OF HIS FINDINGS AND HAS SUGGESTED THEY ADD THIS LAST STEP TO THE BULLETIN, IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY MAY. IT TAKES 2 MINUTES. AFTER THE FLASH UPDATE THESE 2 PARAMETERS MAY NEED TO BE RESET! Anyone getting the recall done should note this to their dealer! PE 2011 will be going back in for this asap.
driveability Ahh the driveability that several of us are commenting on , here is what I learned. Both our spyders were 100% stock (drivetrain wise) with the exception of the exhaust. We both have hindles. Both Spyders came out of the recall running "different" than they had before. I apologize if I get a little descriptive here , having raced bikes and built my motors for 30 plus years and having a great understanding of what makes em tick,I try and explain it as best I can.
Of note:
Prior , you could run through a 35 mph zone in the upper gears keeping the noise down and the Spyder was happy to do it. Now post-recall try doing that at about 3000- 3200 rpm and it hiccups and burps and the Spyder makes you generally know that "hey driver , I hate this rpm". Knock it down a gear life is good. This to me and Carol this is no big deal, to some it may be.
What I noted also that was a little of a downer to me was I used to hear ole spydie come to life at about 6500+ rpm and really pull HARD to just under 10k rpm. This is also a perception becasue we all know they have a flat spot in the middle of the rpm range and when the power comes back on above that its a rush....this flat spot seems to be gone now. The first time I rolled it on after the recall I had this weird sensation that it was like I was riding an electric motor, as in the torque curve is flat and it just builds progressively throughout the rpm range. The exhaust note was different and not as smooth. The upper end "hit" isn't noticeable anymore and my gut says we are down just a tad (not much) in top end power. Last 2 tanks of fuel delivered 42 mpg on PE2011 and 41 on PE1941 (used to get 32-35) so you do not have to be a brain surgeon to see BRP leaned us way out in the fuel map Good for MPG and range , maybe a bit dissappointing for my tastes.
Lastly , I had some inner ear nerve damage recently and it really scared me about hearing loss , so I threw the dusty stock exhaust back on PE2011 that has hung in the garage since the first 50 miles were put on the bike.
WOW. This fuel map did WONDERS for a stock exhaust bike. I love the way it runs , it is as smooth as glass and pulls great throughout the rpm range. No way did it run this good with the stock exhaust before. I would say if you are running stock , this remap is a :2thumbs:.
If you are running with an airbox mod or non stock exhaust you will need to get some more fuel into this thing via Kens 02 modifier or the juicebox to get it to run the way you like more than likely. (depends on your riding habits, some may never notice didly :shocked:)
To close , we are all on first year production machines and my grin factor is still a ten out of ten. Someday we will all say , do ya remember when......
:thumbup:
Steering: Carol immediately noted the steering was "night and day" compared to how it was before on her Spyder and says she is no where near as worn out after a spirited ride in the twisties. I said hmmmm because didn't immediately notice a difference , however I now have amassed 1500 miles in 8 days between both spyders and yes there is a difference. A big one. It is most noticeable to me in parking lots (seems way easier) and in fast twisties. The effort is greatly reduced and it gives you a higher degree of confidence in my opinion. :2thumbs:
GPS: Both of our Spyders started going into limp mode and throwing the "E" message when in 4th gear or down shifting into 1st. Yeah it definately ruined a trip we were taking and I was pretty hot.
Since then BRP has worked closely with my dealer (and called me several times) and PE 2011 is fixed and on the Road and PE 1941 should be done today. PE 2011 had a new part number GPS sensor installed and ten miles later the code reappeared while the technician was roadtesting it. BRP asked him to reposition the new sensor. This seemed odd to him and I as they only bolt in one way but they said there was a slight bit of rotation you can get out of the sensor once installed. He loosened the bolts and did find he could rotate the sensor just a hair and retightened as per their instructions. That was 200 miles ago and all is good. I inspected the old sensor with him and I will tell you the tolerance on these is super super tight. If there is anything not lined up perfectly it can throw the code. Carols is being installed today and hopefully its the last we have to do with that issue. We had had very few opportunities to ride this year prior to our planning our vacation so maybe the GPS sensors just both decided to fail within a day of each other. Stranger things have happened. :dontknow: UPDATE JUST RECEIVED A CALL FROM THE DEALER THE ISSUE WITH OUR ERROR CODES IS WITH A PROCEDURE THAT SHOULD BE DONE AFTER THE ECM UPDATE. THE BULLETIN DOES NOT STATE THAT YOU SHOULD RESET CLOSED THROTTLE POSITION AND GPS BUT WHEN HE INSPECTED CAROLS HE FOUND THEY WERE BOTH OUT OF CALIBRATION HE RESET THESE 2 AND THE FAULTS IMMEDIATELY CORRECTED. HE CONTACTED BRP AND TOLD THEM OF HIS FINDINGS AND HAS SUGGESTED THEY ADD THIS LAST STEP TO THE BULLETIN, IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY MAY. IT TAKES 2 MINUTES. AFTER THE FLASH UPDATE THESE 2 PARAMETERS MAY NEED TO BE RESET! Anyone getting the recall done should note this to their dealer! PE 2011 will be going back in for this asap.
driveability Ahh the driveability that several of us are commenting on , here is what I learned. Both our spyders were 100% stock (drivetrain wise) with the exception of the exhaust. We both have hindles. Both Spyders came out of the recall running "different" than they had before. I apologize if I get a little descriptive here , having raced bikes and built my motors for 30 plus years and having a great understanding of what makes em tick,I try and explain it as best I can.
Of note:
Prior , you could run through a 35 mph zone in the upper gears keeping the noise down and the Spyder was happy to do it. Now post-recall try doing that at about 3000- 3200 rpm and it hiccups and burps and the Spyder makes you generally know that "hey driver , I hate this rpm". Knock it down a gear life is good. This to me and Carol this is no big deal, to some it may be.
What I noted also that was a little of a downer to me was I used to hear ole spydie come to life at about 6500+ rpm and really pull HARD to just under 10k rpm. This is also a perception becasue we all know they have a flat spot in the middle of the rpm range and when the power comes back on above that its a rush....this flat spot seems to be gone now. The first time I rolled it on after the recall I had this weird sensation that it was like I was riding an electric motor, as in the torque curve is flat and it just builds progressively throughout the rpm range. The exhaust note was different and not as smooth. The upper end "hit" isn't noticeable anymore and my gut says we are down just a tad (not much) in top end power. Last 2 tanks of fuel delivered 42 mpg on PE2011 and 41 on PE1941 (used to get 32-35) so you do not have to be a brain surgeon to see BRP leaned us way out in the fuel map Good for MPG and range , maybe a bit dissappointing for my tastes.
Lastly , I had some inner ear nerve damage recently and it really scared me about hearing loss , so I threw the dusty stock exhaust back on PE2011 that has hung in the garage since the first 50 miles were put on the bike.
WOW. This fuel map did WONDERS for a stock exhaust bike. I love the way it runs , it is as smooth as glass and pulls great throughout the rpm range. No way did it run this good with the stock exhaust before. I would say if you are running stock , this remap is a :2thumbs:.
If you are running with an airbox mod or non stock exhaust you will need to get some more fuel into this thing via Kens 02 modifier or the juicebox to get it to run the way you like more than likely. (depends on your riding habits, some may never notice didly :shocked:)
To close , we are all on first year production machines and my grin factor is still a ten out of ten. Someday we will all say , do ya remember when......
:thumbup: