Installation of car tire.

[Spyderman41333]

Ok people. Today I called our local Spyder Dealer in Kelowna, BC and asked about installation of a car tire on RT. I advised the service dept member that I had the EXACT size rear tire, except it was a Toyo car tire. I asked if they could install it, as I have heard that some dealers would not install a a car tire. The answer I received thought, has boggled my mind, as they said the reason they would not do it, is that it was a "Speed Sensor Issue" I am totally confused as how the exact same dimensions would cause a speed sensor problem. I think they are blowing smoke, but has anyone else heard of this. I guess I will just save myself money and do it myself.

Confused in Canada

[Motorcycledave]

Ok people. Today I called our local Spyder Dealer in Kelowna, BC and asked about installation of a car tire on RT. I advised the service dept member that I had the EXACT size rear tire, except it was a Toyo car tire. I asked if they could install it, as I have heard that some dealers would not install a a car tire. The answer I received thought, has boggled my mind, as they said the reason they would not do it, is that it was a "Speed Sensor Issue" I am totally confused as how the exact same dimensions would cause a speed sensor problem. I think they are blowing smoke, but has anyone else heard of this. I guess I will just save myself money and do it myself.

Confused in Canada

If it looks like smoke and acts like smoke it's most likely smoke

[h0gr1der]

It must be us, the Spyder riding community. Apparently the dealerships think we're all stupid. I know you're in a different country, therefore have different laws, but I would forego any service at this dealership. Once a dealership tried to blow smoke up my rear I tend not to forgive them. I mounted my own and it wasn't too hard. For about the price I was going to have to pay to have my car tire mounted I came away with a manual tire mounting machine and a balance shaft.

[bigbadbrucie]

Smoke, smoke, smoke. No speed sensor problem, not a law problem in Canada, not a law problem in B.C. I think yhe chap you were talking to may have been “smoking”...... The dealer here will do it, no problem. Good dealer and knowledgeable!

[BajaRon]

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It is a shame that they don't either say they just don't want to do it. Or that they have no idea what they are talking about. Owners have put larger than stock tires on their Spyder with zero issues. So the same size tire is certainly not going to give any problems.

Sad...

[RICZ]

The other day, I stopped at my favorite non ethanol gas / full service / tire station to fill up and noticed the mechanics twiddling their thumbs from lack of customers. Having noticed some vibration from the not so wonderful Kendas, I asked if they'd do a wheel balance on the fronts. Not only did they do it, they didn't charge me. I have had them put tires on our car and also premium struts and shocks, and regularly get oil changes there, so they know I'm a regular.
Since they were good about the wheel balance, I asked if they'd mount tires and they said they would. Then I asked if they would match Tire Rack's price and they said they would beat it. Guess where I'm getting tires for the Spyder.
I bring this up because I'm sure there are other tire shops that would be just as cooperative. It never hurts to ask. Eh?

[Mazo EMS2]

Agreed....lots of smoke being blown where it often remains dark!! I wouldn't go back there for a ball cap. The dealer is yankin your chain because they don't make the money on a carry-in tire. Usually they'll they'll play the "liability card", which is a little more believable, but I don't buy that crap either. If you have the tools and confidence in yourself, pull the wheel and take it to your local garage and ask them to mount the tire for you. There are some very good videos on pulling the rear wheel on youtube. Your dealer should have been up front with you and at least fed you one of the more common lines of BS.......:banghead:

[Spyderman41333]

Thanks to everyone for the quick and awesome replies. Glad we are all in agreement. And yes, baring any major mechanical issues beyond my abilities, I will not be dealing with Banner Recreation in Kelowna. I have changed the rear tire on my 2008 GS, but the procedure seemed a little more complex on the 2013 RT, but I will now take up the challenge. Appreciate the knowledge of everyone in this group. Cheers from Canada and stay safe.

[Wildrice]

If it looks like smoke and acts like smoke it's most likely smoke

Quack--Quack--looks like a duck--sounds like a duck...

[Rookiespyder]

Bring it to a local garage and have them do it they would be happy to do it.

[RICZ]

There are YouTube vids on rear tire removal. Two important things; Have the parking brake off. Do not touch the alignment adjusting screws. Take note what spacers went where. Set the spacers in something that holds them in order. It will help to take photos to aid in re-assembly. Torque the axle to the correct number. After all is done, spin the wheel to check the belt alignment before lowering the bike. If it's off, there are good videos for that too.

[Peteoz]

There are YouTube vids on rear tire removal. Two important things; Have the parking brake off. Do not touch the alignment adjusting screws. Take note what spacers went where. Set the spacers in something that holds them in order. It will help to take photos to aid in re-assembly. Torque the axle to the correct number. After all is done, spin the wheel to check the belt alignment before lowering the bike. If it's off, there are good videos for that too.

That’s the best list of crucial steps I have seen, Ricz :2thumbs:.......very easy to hunt up videos for more in depth detail if required :thumbup:

Pete

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

There are YouTube vids on rear tire removal. Two important things; Have the parking brake off. Do not touch the alignment adjusting screws. Take note what spacers went where. Set the spacers in something that holds them in order. It will help to take photos to aid in re-assembly. Torque the axle to the correct number. After all is done, spin the wheel to check the belt alignment before lowering the bike. If it's off, there are good videos for that too.

:agree: and let me add - in order to keep the EXACT same setting for the rear tire alignment AND tension .... just remove the rear SHOCK bolt everything will remain as it was when you re-install the wheel / tire ...... ANNNNNNNNNNNNND if your RT has the auto compressor on it, you MUST dis-connect the arm on the left side of the swing arm ....... Mike :ohyea:

[shakin_jake]

Just wanted to let everyone know, I love Tire threads=:-) and from memory, I have changed the tires on all of the motorcycles I've owned ridden starting with the first motor bike I bought in 1975. That 1st bike was a 1971 Yamaha 360cc 2 stroke. Was either the DT or RT, can't remember but I do remember using a pair of screw drivers for tire irons and yes, I punctured the new tube I was installing to repair the flat tire/tube I was replacing. Some of us have to do it wrong in order to learn how to do it right

Anyways, 45 years later I'm still doing my own tire work, by hand. I made a concession to using bead breakers some years ago but I've broken the tire beads by the heels of my boots more that way through the years. Looking at the wheels on my Ryker I know it's only a natter of time until someone steps up and offers a way so I can balance all three of them in my home garage

But getting back to the OP's original intent, having a Can Am dealer install the car tire you brought to him, I think what some *may* be missing is, the Can Am dealers for the most part (not always) want you to buy the tire you want installed, from them. It's akin to you walking into a restaurant with a couple of eggs and asking them to cook the eggs you brung. The restaurant/diner will feed you but they will supply the eggs. Just a thought

BTW, I've been behind the grill and the only time I remember ever preparing food that was brought to the kitchen other than through normal supply lines was when I was the line chef at the Baltimore Oyster House on Big Pine Key and one of the waitresses brought in some Spyder crabs she grabbed from underneath her dock. BTW2, that was some of the best crabmeat I ever had=:-)

[Peteoz]

But getting back to the OP's original intent, having a Can Am dealer install the car tire you brought to him, I think what some *may* be missing is, the Can Am dealers for the most part (not always) want you to buy the tire you want installed, from them. It's akin to you walking into a restaurant with a couple of eggs and asking them to cook the eggs you brung. The restaurant/diner will feed you but they will supply the eggs. Just a thought
)

While your analogy above is absolutely correct, Shakin Jake, and I agree with it completely, that is not the main issue with CanAm dealers and aftermarket tyres. I have two dealers near me, and both have not been willing to buy a non Can Am recommended tyre to install for me, and I have a pretty good relationship with them:thumbup: The issue is far more deep seated, with many theories posted, but it certainly appears to be along the lines of - “If you (insert dealer here) put on a non recommended Can Am tyre, we will revoke your dealer license....and/or you may be found liable if the CanAm is involved in an accident - signed CanAm”. Some dealers simply ignore this and install aftermarket, but most toe the CanAm company line. :coffee:

Pete

[Revalden]

I had my dealer install a rear tire (Kumho) for me and balance it $129.00 0.9hrs labor. They asked me how much I paid for the tire and where I bought it. They wanted to offer it to their customers because the Kenda costs so damn much, I don't remember how much they said they charged for it but I was FLABBERGASTED. Next time I'll remove it my self and take it my local tire shop, they didn't charge me anything when I had them change and balance the fronts, I buy all my vehicle tires from them.

[IdahoMtnSpyder]

I think they are blowing smoke, but has anyone else heard of this.
Weed must produce a lot of smoke! :roflblack:

[SpyderRick]

Just this week I took a new car tire (Kumho Esta) and wheel into local dealer in Red Deer Alberta to have them mount and balance. They had no problems doing this and even suggested OEM was a POS. I haven't had a chance to try it yet as mother nature has been a bitch.

[merlot]

. I guess I will just save myself money and do it myself.

yes:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:

i go one step farther...i bought a Momar bar and fabricated a jig off the back of my ute.....now i do all my own rears...i also use "habour freight" balancer but not really necc imho

its just not that difficult;)
https://i.imgur.com/LQhT3ob.jpg

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[RudyB]

RTR in Kamloops will install it for you

[vindex1963]

Recently replaced the rear tire on the RT. Removal and install really is easy and had a locally owned shop take the tire off the rim and mount the new one.
You will have to remove the center hub, that's easy also.

[shakin_jake]

While your analogy above is absolutely correct, Shakin Jake, and I agree with it completely, that is not the main issue with CanAm dealers and aftermarket tyres. I have two dealers near me, and both have not been willing to buy a non Can Am recommended tyre to install for me, and I have a pretty good relationship with them:thumbup: The issue is far more deep seated, with many theories posted, but it certainly appears to be along the lines of - “If you (insert dealer here) put on a non recommended Can Am tyre, we will revoke your dealer license....and/or you may be found liable if the CanAm is involved in an accident - signed CanAm”. Some dealers simply ignore this and install aftermarket, but most toe the CanAm company line. :coffee:

Pete




~~~never thought of it that way Pete, & I guess it makes total sense for those dealers that do not want to jeopardize their relationship with BRP, only to screw it up installing aftermarket tires. Can't blame them really

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[joekeys]

I put a car tire on my 2015 that was a little taller in size with no speed sensor problem. I ran it over 20,000 miles then replaced the front tires with car tires 3/4 inch taller and no problem.

[safecracker]

My local dealer will mount non OEM tires with no problem. They even told me that they may carry non OEM tires to sell. They have a great service dept. They just don't like to dicker on price of a new ryde.

[FastOldGuy]

I've worked in the Tire Industry for 5 years (way back). With an Mechanical Engineering Background I've done almost everything possible. The facts are all tires have Ratings. In the case of the Spyders as long as the Rim beads match, the weight on the tires are basically nothing compared to a Car. The speed sensor is Bull. I normally check Everything I own with a GPS because I Want To Know How Much The Speedometer Is Off!

Since I've changed about 20,000 tires in my early years. I still change my motorcycle tires. $129 to install a tire (.9 hours) Come On? From "Merlot's" post above, I like that rig. I have a 2x4 Square that I put the rim on and just change them with the old tire "spoons".

TIRE SIZE. From Merlot's post, I checked the sizes and it's a Limited Market on the Fronts and Rears. What other sizes are people running?

LAST BUT NOT LEAST... LASER ALIGNMENT. There's a Laser alignment system on the Web "Trackace Laser Wheel Alignment". Checking ebay the price is down $89.00. I made my own version from a Gun Bore Laser Sight. It's Accurate As It Gets. On the Spyder it would be a breeze. Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think the Spyder has Castor or Camber adjustments.(?) I typically own Cars that I Can Not Take To A Shop so I have made tools to set Castor and Camber.

[h0gr1der]

I've worked in the Tire Industry for 5 years (way back). With an Mechanical Engineering Background I've done almost everything possible. The facts are all tires have Ratings. In the case of the Spyders as long as the Rim beads match, the weight on the tires are basically nothing compared to a Car. The speed sensor is Bull. I normally check Everything I own with a GPS because I Want To Know How Much The Speedometer Is Off!

Since I've changed about 20,000 tires in my early years. I still change my motorcycle tires. $129 to install a tire (.9 hours) Come On? From "Merlot's" post above, I like that rig. I have a 2x4 Square that I put the rim on and just change them with the old tire "spoons".

TIRE SIZE. From Merlot's post, I checked the sizes and it's a Limited Market on the Fronts and Rears. What other sizes are people running?

LAST BUT NOT LEAST... LASER ALIGNMENT. There's a Laser alignment system on the Web "Trackace Laser Wheel Alignment". Checking ebay the price is down $89.00. I made my own version from a Gun Bore Laser Sight. It's Accurate As It Gets. On the Spyder it would be a breeze. Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think the Spyder has Castor or Camber adjustments.(?) I typically own Cars that I Can Not Take To A Shop so I have made tools to set Castor and Camber.

As to doing your own front end alignment, it's probably better to have the BUD's software. Some folks have done self alignment with good results without it, but if you find a problem you need to re-center the steering and something else I don't remember. Thrust? Someone will chime in I'm sure.

[shakin_jake]

I put the rim on and just change them with the old tire "spoons".



~~~that’s how I’ve been doing it ever since the mid seventies. Most tires are fairly easy to lever off the rim but I recall the rear Honda Silverwing (motor-scooter) I rode for a few years and changed several rears, it was the aspect ratio (IMO) that made it a challenge. That said, I don’t see where the Ryker Rally tire’s could pose any difficulties. For sure though, tires are always easier to R&R in the summer rather than changing outdoors in the winter, but in removing tires during cold weather I would always take the wheel/tire indoors and set beside the fireplace (I have two wood stoves in my Fla. homestead) to warm the rubber, make it far more pliable

[cptjam]

No, just toe in, toe out. I’ll check on the trackace. Joe

[cptjam]

Ok, just looked at it. Since it does not factor in the back wheel, or allow adjustments, adjust BUDS, etc, I’ll be happy to check anyone’s results. We have aligned quite a few that were “done”. The ROLO system is patented, and quite simply, works. I’m always open to new ideas, but this one, not so much. Joe

[FastOldGuy]

As to doing your own front end alignment, it's probably better to have the BUD's software. Some folks have done self alignment with good results without it, but if you find a problem you need to re-center the steering and something else I don't remember. Thrust? Someone will chime in I'm sure.

Thank You. Probably the trick is KEEP THE ORIGINAL STEERING POSITION. My Son's VW Jetta sensors the Steering Wheel. If the wheel is Not in the same position it will throw an Error. It's a trick to set the wheel back straight. So far I haven't seen the Toe-in spec on the Spyder. Mine feels like it has a Lot of Toe-in. When I get a chance I'll check it. (I read a BS post this morning where the Stealer told the Owner something like "Yea, we corrected the Alignment. It was .5 (or a 1/2)" and we changed it to .750" OUCH!) I set the Jetta to about 1/32 almost "0".

[IdahoMtnSpyder]

(I read a BS post this morning where the Stealer told the Owner something like "Yea, we corrected the Alignment. It was .5 (or a 1/2)" and we changed it to .750" OUCH!) I set the Jetta to about 1/32 almost "0".
That would be correct if he's talking about the toe-in being measured on the laser target about 6' in front and behind the front tire which is the way the ROLO system has you do it.