93 octane non ethanol gas?

[Jackhartjr]

Hi folks wondering how 93 octane non ethanol gas would run in the 998 motor? (2013 RT Limited)

[Mazo EMS2]

Our 2010 RT ran great with it. I always use it in our current '16 RT.

[BajaRon]

Hi folks wondering how 93 octane non ethanol gas would run in the 998 motor? (2013 RT Limited)

Absolutely! Straight gas has a number of advantages over ethanol fuel.

[bigbadbrucie]

Hi folks wondering how 93 octane non ethanol gas would run in the 998 motor? (2013 RT Limited)

That’s what I use 90% of the time in my ‘14 RT-S

[Wahrsuul]

I still can't understand how it raises the price by up to $1.00/gal to LEAVE SOMETHING OUT. I'd love to run that stuff, but it's usually about that much more per gallon. I'll use it in my generator and lawn equipment.

[ARtraveler]

For years we ran straight 90 octane. No ethanol in the AK gasoline.

Then I switched to 87 about three years ago. Have run it ever since. Now that I am in Arkansas, we use the 87 with 10% ethanol added. I like the $1.00 plus less per gallon than we paid in AK.

I have noticed NO difference in the performance of both Spyders. We have one 998 and one 1330.

All I can say about the 93 no ethanol is to try it and see how it works for you. We are going to stick with the 87 here.

[BajaRon]

I still can't understand how it raises the price by up to $1.00/gal to LEAVE SOMETHING OUT. I'd love to run that stuff, but it's usually about that much more per gallon. I'll use it in my generator and lawn equipment.

The answer is very simple. The US Government takes money out of your taxpayer pocket to subsidize the more expensive Ethanol fuel, making it APPEAR less expensive. So what you pay at the pump for ethanol fuel is simply the balance of the total price. Since you never see the total price, you think ethanol fuel is less expensive. This is exactly what our legislators want us to think.

It actually takes more petroleum product to make 1 gallon of ethanol fuel than it does to make 1 gallon of straight gas. They don't advertise this anymore than they do the total actual price for a gallon of ethanol fuel.

The US Government does not subsidize straight gas. So even though it is less expensive, you are paying the full price at the pump.

Paying more for a lesser product. You have to love Government! 'We are here to help!'

[WackyDan]

Our spyders are designed to run fine on ethanol blended fuel of 10 or 15%. Read your owners manual... It's all there.

Probably the only time I put ethanol free gas in is for storage for a few months I won't be riding... But I don't do that religiously either. What I do is put in fuel stabilizer for those few months. Haven't had an issue over 11 years of owning two spyders.

Read the manual... Don't over think it.

[ChicagoSpyder]

Like a champ!

Lots of race fuel has ethanol in it :cheers:

https://www.sunocoracefuels.com/tech-article/alcohol-and-octane

[Sspradlin]

The answer is very simple. The US Government takes money out of your taxpayer pocket to subsidize the more expensive Ethanol fuel, making it APPEAR less expensive. So what you pay at the pump for ethanol fuel is simply the balance of the total price. Since you never see the total price, you think ethanol fuel is less expensive. This is exactly what our legislators want us to think.

It actually takes more petroleum product to make 1 gallon of ethanol fuel than it does to make 1 gallon of straight gas. They don't advertise this anymore than they do the total actual price for a gallon of ethanol fuel.

The US Government does not subsidize straight gas. So even though it is less expensive, you are paying the full price at the pump.

Paying more for a lesser product. You have to love Government! 'We are here to help!'

Sorry but the petroleum industry is heavily subsidized and it takes a lot of water to produce a gallon of gas, the ethanol industry is self subsidized by the farmers. The biggest problem is people don’t realize how many gallons of ethanol an acre of corn can make, and the byproduct is added to cattle feed. The government mandated fuel economy can only be reached by making cars that have higher compression engine which need higher octane fuel, ethanol is the cheapest and safest way to get that. To get octane with petroleum you have to add things like methanols of other highly toxic fuels.

[AY4B]

Its hard to find non ethanol gas but I try getting it every chance i get. Here in Texas we have Buc-ee's and they have 92 octane non ethanol that is priced the same as mid grade but is labeled as regular.

[Highwayman2013]

Sorry but the petroleum industry is heavily subsidized and it takes a lot of water to produce a gallon of gas, the ethanol industry is self subsidized by the farmers. The biggest problem is people don’t realize how many gallons of ethanol an acre of corn can make, and the byproduct is added to cattle feed. The government mandated fuel economy can only be reached by making cars that have higher compression engine which need higher octane fuel, ethanol is the cheapest and safest way to get that. To get octane with petroleum you have to add things like methanols of other highly toxic fuels.
That does not appear to be the facts.
https://www.downsizinggovernment.org/ethanol-and-biofuel-policies

[Mikey]

When they first started to dive it down our throats in Maine it was hell on wheels, just going into winter, not knowing what it was all about, what a snowmobile season we had:banghead:. Thanks to the greenies, I like to call them, they said it was a Cleaner burn so we would not kill a toad some where!!!!! Cost more to make and gives the gas company's a reason to jack the price of gas up that much more, but all the mechanics in the states were banging there heads and laughing all the way to the bank!!! Will your bike run on straight gas, hell ya very well, go for it!!!!

[dpetrick]

I am able to get regular non alcohol, (87) here in Iowa. If go into Minnesota I can still find non alcohol at some stations and usually it is 91 0r 93 premium. I have used 10% and have not run into any issues. Since Spyder is stored 4-5 months, over winter, I try to fill with regular and add stabilizer, that can be used with ethanol. Have never had any issues.

[Sspradlin]

That does not appear to be the facts.
https://www.downsizinggovernment.org/ethanol-and-biofuel-policies
There are so many mistakes in that article it would take all day to get thru them, one that jumps out is the price of corn in 2012 because. The old food or fuel adage, do you know that the farmer gets 5 cents for the corn in a box of corn flakes, if the farmer doubled his price the cereal would cost 10 cents more? The other is about the mpg, I see no difference in my mileage when I burn e10, and in Nebraska it’s 40 cents cheaper per gallon. I will agree that it’s not good if you fill your tank up and leave sit for months in wet states. I used to have water issues in my motorcycles in the 70’s, stalling and complete stopping till I got the water out of the carburetor, never had that happen with e10. To many people look at the USDA budget and think it all goes to farmers, 60 percent goes to school food and food stamps. One of the main concerns of the government is to be sure there are farmers left to produce the food we eat. Look up Mike Rowe’s YouTube video about the American farmer and how they are almost gone, that should make you very nervous.

[spyderider1]

Just throwing this out there for conversation. About the time they started adding/mandating Ethanol in our gasoline, many of the engines were becoming Fuel Injected. I think that makes a difference. I've had issues with my small carbureted engines using Ethanol but have yet to have a problem with any of my Injected engines. Yes, my chain saw, leaf blower all run on non ethanol now after throwing a few hundred dollars at my local mechanic WHO TOLD ME IN THE BEGINNING, "Don't put that stuff in the small carbureted engines". So I guess I'm a slow learner that's willing to share his own misfortunes. Carry on.

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

Just throwing this out there for conversation. About the time they started adding/mandating Ethanol in our gasoline, many of the engines were becoming Fuel Injected. I think that makes a difference. I've had issues with my small carbureted engines using Ethanol but have yet to have a problem with any of my Injected engines. Yes, my chain saw, leaf blower all run on non ethanol now after throwing a few hundred dollars at my local mechanic WHO TOLD ME IN THE BEGINNING, "Don't put that stuff in the small carbureted engines". So I guess I'm a slow learner that's willing to share his own misfortunes. Carry on.

I think you may be on to something ….. :thumbup:...… Mike :ohyea:

[Mikey]

Just throwing this out there for conversation. About the time they started adding/mandating Ethanol in our gasoline, many of the engines were becoming Fuel Injected. I think that makes a difference. I've had issues with my small carbureted engines using Ethanol but have yet to have a problem with any of my Injected engines. Yes, my chain saw, leaf blower all run on non ethanol now after throwing a few hundred dollars at my local mechanic WHO TOLD ME IN THE BEGINNING, "Don't put that stuff in the small carbureted engines". So I guess I'm a slow learner that's willing to share his own misfortunes. Carry on.


I think you may be on to something ….. :thumbup:...… Mike :ohyea:

All I can add to that is Marine Stabil, Marine Stabil, is your friend, use it and try not to keep to much gas around for long periods of time works get for me!!:cheers: