Vredestein Quatrac 5

[PW2013STL]

Just got shipment notice that my new rear tire in 205/60R15 size will be delivered next Tuesday :yes:

Ordered on March 27th from Vulcan Tire. It's a special order item, but will be worth the wait assuming it will handle like the fronts do!

[h0gr1der]

I'm in the same boat, waiting on the rear. I ordered the V rated, figured the tolerances may be held closer so it may not need as much balancing weights. Not sure of this though.

[PW2013STL]

I just checked Valcan Tire's web site and they now show both the H and the V version in the 205/60R15 size in stock.

[Wozerd]

Excellent tire!
Approaching 10K on em.
On my front drive Toyota Sienna.
Quiet, smooth, took hardly any weight.
Road force indicates virtually no variance side to side.
Gor me thru deep 8" snow with no problem
Good luck with them on your Spyder!

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

I'm in the same boat, waiting on the rear. I ordered the V rated, figured the tolerances may be held closer so it may not need as much balancing weights. Not sure of this though.

The speed rating should have no difference ........... the quality of the tire is what matters ..... Here's something interesting - the General Altimax RT 43 has a better rating in the lower " speed rating " than the higher ones ???? ... I have no explanation for that .... it just is ..... Mike :ohyea:

[h0gr1der]

I'm making simple ass-umptions here. V rate is good to 149 MPH continuous, while T rated is 118 MPH continuous. At very least the quality control has to be better. But I may pay the price in extra weight. The higher speed rating may mean more reinforcement, hence more weight. I'll weight the V rated and post the specs against the Kenda :sour: when I get it.

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

I'm making simple ass-umptions here. V rate is good to 149 MPH continuous, while T rated is 118 MPH continuous. At very least the quality control has to be better. But I may pay the price in extra weight. The higher speed rating may mean more reinforcement, hence more weight. I'll weight the V rated and post the specs against the Kenda :sour: when I get it.

KENDA - that tire is a joke compared to even the lowest rated auto tire ...... Mike :ohyea:

[h0gr1der]

I concur wholeheartedly.:agree:

[aka1004]

So much for getting quatratec all around.
When I mentioned tires were not exactly the same size, wider upfront and narrower in the rear when I was setting appointment at the dealer, they said they will only install tires that are same size as kenda, what’s embossed on tires not the actual size.
I didn’t wanna do it but now I will have to go with 2 different brands, front and back.

[PW2013STL]

So much for getting quatratec all around.
When I mentioned tires were not exactly the same size, wider upfront and narrower in the rear when I was setting appointment at the dealer, they said they will only install tires that are same size as kenda, what’s embossed on tires not the actual size.
I didn’t wanna do it but now I will have to go with 2 different brands, front and back.

Wow, but not surprised. I always take off my wheels and bring them to an independent tire shop with my tires where they mount them and no hassles.

[PW2013STL]

Just got shipment notice that my new rear tire in 205/60R15 size will be delivered next Tuesday :yes:

Ordered on March 27th from Vulcan Tire. It's a special order item, but will be worth the wait assuming it will handle like the fronts do!

Update,

I did get my tire and 2 additional ones that I did not order. Sent the suppler an email about this, but have not heard back.

[h0gr1der]

Hope you didn't get mine, I have a 205/60R15 Vredestein coming in by the 14th. Took them over a month to process the order!

[bigbadbrucie]

A link to a Canadian supplier for the Vredestein tires was posted on this site, I went to it today, and just ordered my 2 front tires...I have not had confirmation as to when they will be shipped yet.

[Jackhartjr]

AKA 1004, don't know you situation, however, when the dealer told me he would only install the same size as on the Spyder, I would have gone to a dealer that would, and make sure he knew it!

[johnny canuck]

A dealer up here was the same.... must be an exact OEM size match. Ordered Toyo Proxes 4 for the rear and Fed. Formosa AZ01 fronts.

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

So much for getting quatratec all around.
When I mentioned tires were not exactly the same size, wider upfront and narrower in the rear when I was setting appointment at the dealer, they said they will only install tires that are same size as kenda, what’s embossed on tires not the actual size.
I didn’t wanna do it but now I will have to go with 2 different brands, front and back.

I think your DEALER is really, really clue-less ….. because He doesn't even know the Kenda's are different sizes also ….. RUN from that Stealer :roflblack::roflblack::roflblack:...….....Mike :ohyea:

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

A link to a Canadian supplier for the Vredestein tires was posted on this site, I went to it today, and just ordered my 2 front tires...I have not had confirmation as to when they will be shipped yet.

Hey Big Bad it would be nice if you posted the Suppliers info ……. Mike :ohyea:

[bigbadbrucie]

Hey Big Bad it would be nice if you posted the Suppliers info ……. Mike :ohyea:
Sorry Mike, my bad. Supplier is Quattrotires.com. They appear to be in the province of Quebec, probably Montreal.

[aka1004]

I think your DEALER is really, really clue-less ….. because He doesn't even know the Kenda's are different sizes also ….. RUN from that Stealer :roflblack::roflblack::roflblack:...….....Mike :ohyea:

I was thinking about attending spyder Jam in Cuba but cowtown will not install ANY car tires in front.
May be I should expand my search area to Dallas...

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

I was thinking about attending spyder Jam in Cuba but cowtown will not install ANY car tires in front.
May be I should expand my search area to Dallas...

99.8% of the folks here, take the front wheels/tires off themselves, and take their New Auto tires to any car repair or tire installation shop and have them switched ….. and Usually spun balanced also …… Only dealers will remove and replace wheels / tires from a Spyder …… Mike :ohyea:

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

Sorry Mike, my bad. Supplier is Quattrotires.com. They appear to be in the province of Quebec, probably Montreal.

Quite a few Canadians, should Thank You for this info …… I have been told by quite a few No One sells Vredesteins ……. Mike

[SteveandBelinda]

I took my front tires/rims to Discount Tire along with the new tires, and they didn't have a problem mounting the new ones.


99.8% of the folks here, take the front wheels/tires off themselves, and take their New Auto tires to any car repair or tire installation shop and have them switched ….. and Usually spun balanced also …… Only dealers will remove and replace wheels / tires from a Spyder …… Mike :ohyea:

[stmike 1800]

https://www.tiresandco.ca/Quatrac in Canada,shipping can be expensive unless you buy 4 then it is free.

[Cleg]

So much for getting quatratec all around.
When I mentioned tires were not exactly the same size, wider upfront and narrower in the rear when I was setting appointment at the dealer, they said they will only install tires that are same size as kenda, what’s embossed on tires not the actual size.
I didn’t wanna do it but now I will have to go with 2 different brands, front and back.

From experience no issue with different brand tires front and rear. Currently Vredesteins in the front Kumho rear.. no issues at all AND what a difference with the Vs on the front...completely different and better ride! Just sayin...

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

From experience no issue with different brand tires front and rear. Currently Vredesteins in the front Kumho rear.. no issues at all AND what a difference with the Vs on the front...completely different and better ride! Just sayin...

This is Mandatory when mounting tires : " Tires on the SAME axel must be the SAME " ……" NEVER mix Radials with Bias Ply ", " NEVER mix Different types of tires with each other " ….. Mike :ohyea:

[h0gr1der]

Mike,

Pulling on your knowledge here. How about widely divergent UTQG ratings? The Vredesteins I've got are all UTQG 400 rated, which usually means 2 rears for every front replacement. How about the safety of a UTQG 700+ (hard compound) tire mixed with the softer fronts? Maybe get to swap all at once?

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

Mike,

Pulling on your knowledge here. How about widely divergent UTQG ratings? The Vredesteins I've got are all UTQG 400 rated, which usually means 2 rears for every front replacement. How about the safety of a UTQG 700+ (hard compound) tire mixed with the softer fronts? Maybe get to swap all at once?

UTQG - doesn't matter - it doesn't have meaning in relation to the Rule " same tires on same axel ", The real life meaning for the UTQG rating varies from manufacturer to manufacturer, because THEY decide what Rating they are going to PUT on their tires …… Awhile back I Tried the Toyo Proxes T1r …. that was a damn STICKY tire , it had a low UTQG , however I did get good mileage from them ( they were front tires for my 2014 RT ……..I wouldn't have any real concerns about the timing on the switch …. Mike :ohyea:

[pegasus1300]

I was thinking about attending spyder Jam in Cuba but cowtown will not install ANY car tires in front.
May be I should expand my search area to Dallas... I replaced my Kendas with car tires asap the Kendas wore out. I didn't even bother with a Spyder dealer. My local car tire vender was happy to do the fronts, remove wheels , mount tires and balance. This is in a very small town in rural Utah. Buy what you want then ask a local tire shop or independent motorcycle shop to change your tire. You can remove the rear wheel yourself if you have to, not that hard.

[aka1004]

Well, if I was home may be not a monumental challenge to do it myself although I just don’t wanna do it(done it once) but I’m currently in middle of nowhere Texas working, without much tools.
BUT it looks like I will have somehow do it as I can’t even find a suitable oem size tires(dealer would only install exact oem size).
Kumho in the rear is pretty much only choice now but I didn’t like the wet traction of it.
I shall go with quatratec all around with 165/60 and 205/50.

[WisconsinDavid]

Just got the new Quatrac 5's on the fronts ... and wow what a great tire, indeed. Blueknight Mike, thanks for the recommendation in this direction! Now... to wear them out!

[Ibified]

Generally speaking, a higher speed rating means a stiffer sidewall.

[teninospyder]

Hi Blueknight911, I told you I would post about my experience with these tires (all around) as soon as I had a few miles on them. I am now approaching my first 1,000 miles on them and in a week we are leaving on an "out of town" 1,000 mile trip in WA state and Idaho. :thumbup:

As you know, I was one of a few owners who actually had very few issues with the original front tires. 26,000 miles and still close to a third of the tread left when I decided to "make the move" to your recommended tires. The back had been replaced once (as it turned out Long before it needed to be, because I was planning our very first "long" trip on the Spyder), and the rear I just replaced had 15,000 on it with a "fair" amount of tread left. My only personal concern was I did notice a slight vibration in the fronts, but it wasn't enough to make me get them balanced. I'm just stating MY experience here, not making any judgement about others experiences or beliefs.

OK....Now to my experience since swapping to the Quatrac5 tire...…………...I (WE) have been extremely surprised and impressed with the difference in ride smoothness and steering response. :yes: I DO push the "posted limits" once in a while and I have noticed for one thing on these tires I have immediate positive response in changes to speed and direction while the ride continues to "feel" softer and more consistent throughout these changes. :yes::yes: (I'm not Emerson F. or Lewis H so don't take my seat of the pants reference TOO seriously please :ohyea::ohyea:) I also have not seen or noted ANY vibration in the fronts, and even the installer was impressed with how little he need to balance and stated it may even have been the rims needing it not the tires.

Ok, I've said enough :lecturef_smilie: Thanks again (as always) Mike for continuing to bring up these tires. :bowdown::bowdown: :roflblack::roflblack::thumbup::thumbup:

PS: 15 in the front, 17 in the rear :thumbup: 175/55/R15 frts, 206/60/r15 back (PS I was the guy who bought their last one a while back and they had to show out of stock for a few days :roflblack::roflblack:)

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

Hi Blueknight911, I told you I would post about my experience with these tires (all around) as soon as I had a few miles on them. I am now approaching my first 1,000 miles on them and in a week we are leaving on an "out of town" 1,000 mile trip in WA state and Idaho. :thumbup:

As you know, I was one of a few owners who actually had very few issues with the original front tires. 26,000 miles and still close to a third of the tread left when I decided to "make the move" to your recommended tires. The back had been replaced once (as it turned out Long before it needed to be, because I was planning our very first "long" trip on the Spyder), and the rear I just replaced had 15,000 on it with a "fair" amount of tread left. My only personal concern was I did notice a slight vibration in the fronts, but it wasn't enough to make me get them balanced. I'm just stating MY experience here, not making any judgement about others experiences or beliefs.

OK....Now to my experience since swapping to the Quatrac5 tire...…………...I (WE) have been extremely surprised and impressed with the difference in ride smoothness and steering response. :yes: I DO push the "posted limits" once in a while and I have noticed for one thing on these tires I have immediate positive response in changes to speed and direction while the ride continues to "feel" softer and more consistent throughout these changes. :yes::yes: (I'm not Emerson F. or Lewis H so don't take my seat of the pants reference TOO seriously please :ohyea::ohyea:) I also have not seen or noted ANY vibration in the fronts, and even the installer was impressed with how little he need to balance and stated it may even have been the rims needing it not the tires.

Ok, I've said enough :lecturef_smilie: Thanks again (as always) Mike for continuing to bring up these tires. :bowdown::bowdown: :roflblack::roflblack::thumbup::thumbup:

PS: 15 in the front, 17 in the rear :thumbup: 175/55/R15 frts, 206/60/r15 back (PS I was the guy who bought their last one a while back and they had to show out of stock for a few days :roflblack::roflblack:)

:clap::clap::clap: ………… I love it when I can help someone to be happy ….. your narrative was Spot -on ….. I'm glad you have tried the lower psi's I recommended …. and even more glad you are happy with them ……. Years ago I introduced this community to the General Altimax RT 43 " T " rated ….. it took awhile but, when more and more folks tried them, and liked them, they became very popular ( and still are ) ….. However tire technology doesn't remain Static, and the Altimax is no longer " the best " ( great tho ) …. the Vredestein Quatrac 5 is now the best …...imho ….. Mike :ohyea:

[h0gr1der]

Just finished up installing my rear Vredestein 205/60R15 91V tire. I'm whipped out, too old for this manual tire breaking stuff. Happy I got the Cycle Hill tire changer, it works reasonably well with a couple of caveats. Got the tire back on, alignment and belt tension set. Ready to continue tire testing tomorrow. For some reason Vulcan tire takes a month to ship, even though they say they're in stock. Wish there was a different source for the rear.

[Bill]

Ok Mike I ordered them and seemed like I just closed my tablet and I herd a thump on the back porch.
Then pressto chango they were on my Spyder @ 16 psi cold I just had to go for a ride.
Conditions were not conducive for a long ride, cool and very windy so I stayed local and the back windy roads.
I should also mention I have the BaJaRon sway bar and shock spring adjusters installed. Shock spring tension set @ 1 turn up from bottom.


Wait for it.

Wait for it

yup I’m a happy camper!

Like I said it was a short ride but I could tell the difference, I had to overcome the old habits but that didn’t take long.
I will go up one more turn on the shock spring because I’ll be doing 2 up riding.
More to follow.

Bill

[teninospyder]

Blueknight911, just a short update on my Quatrac5 tire experience. Today we travelled from Yakima, Wa. to a town called Dayton, Wa. on the way to Lewiston, ID tomorrow. Didn't expect a lot of excitement but today it was a first for us - 150 mostly aggravating, lonely, deserted, farmland "hills and dales" plains miles of heavy rain and high crosswinds. Normal good paved roads, but with no place to hide or get out of the weather until we were at Dayton, it wasn't fun. Even with varying speed limits it is a 3 hour drive. The one thing I didn't have to worry about though, was our new Quatrac5 tires. I have NEVER felt as comfortable about tire traction and continuous response when wanted or needed as I did today. No indication ever of any hydroplaning, or other loss of traction. This was the ONLY, but well appreciated, highlight of this leg of our trip. As before, THANKS AGAIN Mike for providing info on these tires.

[PW2013STL]

Blueknight911, just a short update on my Quatrac5 tire experience. Today we travelled from Yakima, Wa. to a town called Dayton, Wa. on the way to Lewiston, ID tomorrow. Didn't expect a lot of excitement but today it was a first for us - 150 mostly aggravating, lonely, deserted, farmland "hills and dales" plains miles of heavy rain and high crosswinds. Normal good paved roads, but with no place to hide or get out of the weather until we were at Dayton, it wasn't fun. Even with varying speed limits it is a 3 hour drive. The one thing I didn't have to worry about though, was our new Quatrac5 tires. I have NEVER felt as comfortable about tire traction and continuous response when wanted or needed as I did today. No indication ever of any hydroplaning, or other loss of traction. This was the ONLY, but well appreciated, highlight of this leg of our trip. As before, THANKS AGAIN Mike for providing info on these tires.

That was my experience last week in the rain and wind as well. Kept expecting some wiggle, or hydoplaning as experienced with other tires. It was as if the roads were dry.

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

Blueknight911, just a short update on my Quatrac5 tire experience. Today we travelled from Yakima, Wa. to a town called Dayton, Wa. on the way to Lewiston, ID tomorrow. Didn't expect a lot of excitement but today it was a first for us - 150 mostly aggravating, lonely, deserted, farmland "hills and dales" plains miles of heavy rain and high crosswinds. Normal good paved roads, but with no place to hide or get out of the weather until we were at Dayton, it wasn't fun. Even with varying speed limits it is a 3 hour drive. The one thing I didn't have to worry about though, was our new Quatrac5 tires. I have NEVER felt as comfortable about tire traction and continuous response when wanted or needed as I did today. No indication ever of any hydroplaning, or other loss of traction. This was the ONLY, but well appreciated, highlight of this leg of our trip. As before, THANKS AGAIN Mike for providing info on these tires.

As usual Thanks for your update on your experiences with the new Quatrac 5 tire..... From what I learned about this tire prior to recommending it, I am very glad to hear that it is performing as I was sure it would …… Actual rider feedback is something that makes others feel confidant, in using a product.....especially one that has the Safety implications that a tire has …….. Reports on handling in really bad weather are priceless ….. Thanks again. …. Mike :ohyea:

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

That was my experience last week in the rain and wind as well. Kept expecting some wiggle, or hydoplaning as experienced with other tires. It was as if the roads were dry.

:clap: ….Wow love the positive feedback …. It is a shame this tire is one the most difficult to acquire..... due to lack of sellers ….. Thanks again for your report ( and I did see the other one from a few days ago ……. Mike :ohyea:

[bigbadbrucie]

:clap: ….Wow love the positive feedback …. It is a shame this tire is one the most difficult to acquire..... due to lack of sellers ….. Thanks again for your report ( and I did see the other one from a few days ago ……. Mike :ohyea:

I heartily agree with the hard to get aspect of these tires Mike. I ordered mine on May 9, got acknowledgement of my order approximately a week ago, and was told that I would receive notification from the dealer when they would be shipped. I’m still waiting for the shipping date. Thank the good lord that I don’t NEED new tires. tic...tic...tic...tic...tic...tic...tic...tic

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

I heartily agree with the hard to get aspect of these tires Mike. I ordered mine on May 9, got acknowledgement of my order approximately a week ago, and was told that I would receive notification from the dealer when they would be shipped. I’m still waiting for the shipping date. Thank the good lord that I don’t NEED new tires. tic...tic...tic...tic...tic...tic...tic...tic

From whom did you get yours ….. Mike :ohyea:

[bigbadbrucie]

From whom did you get yours ….. Mike :ohyea:

As mentioned earlier on this thread, Quattrotires.com....they’re out of Quebec.

[Airborne]

Hi all,

Please don't shoot the messenger but according to mu owners manual if i don't use oem replacement tires it may interfere with the Traction/stability systems. ETC

I am happy to convert at some stage but that info leaves a little shadow of doubt, plus dealer tells me not a good idea and there is no car like alternative here in Australia [over to you Peter]

Please feel free to set me straight. I think i'm already convinced, especially after reading these sort of posts. just need a push.

[Peter Aawen]

Bosch, who designed & produce the VSS used on our Spyders & a fairly significant range of other vehicles once the working parameters are dialed in seem to be pretty sure that something as trivial changing the brand of tires you run won't upset the VSS at all! It isn't of any concern on any o ne of all those other vehicles either, is it?! Besides, the VSS is designed to handle all sorts of variables, including different tire pressures & therefore differing rolling diameters, traction, road surfaces, etc, so something like a better made tire is going to be absobloodylutely nothing to the VSS!! And then there's the millions of miles of 'free testing' that's been done by thousands of Spyder Ryders over the years, with not one reported concern with the traction/stability systems or the entire VSS reported (in fact, quite the opposite!) IMHO, it's nothing but manufacturer scare tactics & double-speak to make owners scared of using anything but their low quality high priced excuse for a tire! :shocked:

And here in Aust, all vehicles that are approved for sale &/or 'grey import' must be able to run any 'design approved tire' that is within the approved +/- legal size range and that meets or exceeds the load & speed ratings & the construction type. So basically, any Pasenger construction type tire that will fit on your Spyder without modding the swing arms or front suspension under the OE tupperware is almost certainly a legal fitting! :lecturef_smilie: But it is up to you to decide if you want to run any tire other than the Kendas. I know what choice I've made! :thumbup:

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

Bosch, who designed & produce the VSS used on our Spyders & a fairly significant range of other vehicles once the working parameters are dialed in seem to be pretty sure that something as trivial changing the brand of tires you run won't upset the VSS at all! It isn't of any concern on any o ne of all those other vehicles either, is it?! Besides, the VSS is designed to handle all sorts of variables, including different tire pressures & therefore differing rolling diameters, traction, road surfaces, etc, so something like a better made tire is going to be absobloodylutely nothing to the VSS!! And then there's the millions of miles of 'free testing' that's been done by thousands of Spyder Ryders over the years, with not one reported concern with the traction/stability systems or the entire VSS reported (in fact, quite the opposite!) IMHO, it's nothing but manufacturer scare tactics & double-speak to make owners scared of using anything but their low quality high priced excuse for a tire! :shocked:

And here in Aust, all vehicles that are approved for sale &/or 'grey import' must be able to run any 'design approved tire' that is within the approved +/- legal size range and that meets or exceeds the load & speed ratings & the construction type. So basically, any Pasenger construction type tire that will fit on your Spyder without modding the swing arms or front suspension under the OE tupperware is almost certainly a legal fitting! :lecturef_smilie: But it is up to you to decide if you want to run any tire other than the Kendas. I know what choice I've made! :thumbup:

:agree: with Peter 200% .. since 09 I've personally put more than a dozen different types and sizes of Auto tires on my three Spyders …. none have caused an issue ….. Similar VSS systems are now on all cars and trks. made today - have you EVER heard of a tire causing a problem with those systems ??? … I haven't …… but as Peter said use what you want …… Mike :ohyea:

[UtahPete]

:clap: ….Wow love the positive feedback …. It is a shame this tire is one the most difficult to acquire..... due to lack of sellers ….. Thanks again for your report ( and I did see the other one from a few days ago ……. Mike :ohyea:

I got mine delivered in 2 days from when I ordered them online on a Sunday from TireRack.com

[FalconAF]

And here in Aust, all vehicles that are approved for sale &/or 'grey import' must be able to run any 'design approved tire' that is within the approved +/- legal size range and that meets or exceeds the load & speed ratings & the construction type. So basically, any Pasenger construction type tire that will fit on your Spyder without modding the swing arms or front suspension under the OE tupperware is almost certainly a legal fitting! :lecturef_smilie: But it is up to you to decide if you want to run any tire other than the Kendas. I know what choice I've made! :thumbup:

:agree: That.

In Australia, it's the law, so a dealer doesn't have to worry about getting their *sses sued off if they "put a car tire on a motorcycle". In the U.S. I can understand the reluctance of dealers to do it. We live in the "Land of Litigation" here. It's been absurd for quite a long time. Some lawyers here make a living by ONLY looking for ways to sue someone...particularly businesses with "deep pockets". A business here can be put OUT of business by someone looking to make a "legal buck". Heck, litigation laws in my country make ignorance and stupidity of the consumer a cash cow sometimes. Order a cup of coffee and spill it on yourself while driving your car? Then find a lawyer who will say you got burned and the SELLER of the coffee should have known better? What about the consumer being stupid? THEY didn't know coffee is hot and if you spill it on yourself it might burn you? So MAYBE they shouldn't have been trying to do the "One Hand Juggle" with a hot liquid while driving their vehicle?

Take your own wheel off and bring it with the car tires to a "put the tire on the wheel ONLY" place and they won't care (well...most of them). They can always claim, "We didn't know he was gonna put it on a motorcycle!". That's the only way they could probably avoid being sued if the car tire "caused an accident or injury" while on the motorcycle in my country.

There are some things dealers should not be expected to do because of the LACK of laws that would protect them if they DID do it. And in the U.S., MOUNTING a car tire on a motorcycle is one of them. It just leaves the dealer wide open to litigation later here. It's sad, but it's true.

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

:agree: That.

In Australia, it's the law, so a dealer doesn't have to worry about getting their *sses sued off if they "put a car tire on a motorcycle". In the U.S. I can understand the reluctance of dealers to do it. We live in the "Land of Litigation" here. It's been absurd for quite a long time. Some lawyers here make a living by ONLY looking for ways to sue someone...particularly businesses with "deep pockets". A business here can be put OUT of business by someone looking to make a "legal buck". Heck, litigation laws in my country make ignorance and stupidity of the consumer a cash cow sometimes. Order a cup of coffee and spill it on yourself while driving your car? Then find a lawyer who will say you got burned and the SELLER of the coffee should have known better? What about the consumer being stupid? THEY didn't know coffee is hot and if you spill it on yourself it might burn you? So MAYBE they shouldn't have been trying to do the "One Hand Juggle" with a hot liquid while driving their vehicle?

Take your own wheel off and bring it with the car tires to a "put the tire on the wheel ONLY" place and they won't care (well...most of them). They can always claim, "We didn't know he was gonna put it on a motorcycle!". That's the only way they could probably avoid being sued if the car tire "caused an accident or injury" while on the motorcycle in my country.

There are some things dealers should not be expected to do because of the LACK of laws that would protect them if they DID do it. And in the U.S., MOUNTING a car tire on a motorcycle is one of them. It just leaves the dealer wide open to litigation later here. It's sad, but it's true.

I'm guessing that you missed my Thread about this subject …. Harley Davidson .. SELLS their Trikes with Auto tires mounted as OEM tires … HD lists their Trikes as Motorcycles …… There is ZERO incentive for a dealer NOT to require the tires be Kenda's.... they make a hugh profit for doing this …… JMHO …. Mike :ohyea:

[Airborne]

Bosch, who designed & produce the VSS used on our Spyders & a fairly significant range of other vehicles once the working parameters are dialed in seem to be pretty sure that something as trivial changing the brand of tires you run won't upset the VSS at all! It isn't of any concern on any o ne of all those other vehicles either, is it?! Besides, the VSS is designed to handle all sorts of variables, including different tire pressures & therefore differing rolling diameters, traction, road surfaces, etc, so something like a better made tire is going to be absobloodylutely nothing to the VSS!! And then there's the millions of miles of 'free testing' that's been done by thousands of Spyder Ryders over the years, with not one reported concern with the traction/stability systems or the entire VSS reported (in fact, quite the opposite!) IMHO, it's nothing but manufacturer scare tactics & double-speak to make owners scared of using anything but their low quality high priced excuse for a tire! :shocked:

And here in Aust, all vehicles that are approved for sale &/or 'grey import' must be able to run any 'design approved tire' that is within the approved +/- legal size range and that meets or exceeds the load & speed ratings & the construction type. So basically, any Pasenger construction type tire that will fit on your Spyder without modding the swing arms or front suspension under the OE tupperware is almost certainly a legal fitting! :lecturef_smilie: But it is up to you to decide if you want to run any tire other than the Kendas. I know what choice I've made! :thumbup:

Thanks Peter, makes perfect sense to me but what's available to us here in Oz, Coincidentally i notice Kendas are quite expensive at dealers.

[Airborne]

:agree: with Peter 200% .. since 09 I've personally put more than a dozen different types and sizes of Auto tires on my three Spyders …. none have caused an issue ….. Similar VSS systems are now on all cars and trks. made today - have you EVER heard of a tire causing a problem with those systems ??? … I haven't …… but as Peter said use what you want …… Mike :ohyea:

If anecdotal evidence was needed then yes, i have read thousands of posts on varying sites [Goldwings and others] that what you're saying is right, enough to convince me to go that way. Now to find whats available in Oz. the OUDTRAC 5 does not seem to be available here.

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

If anecdotal evidence was needed then yes, i have read thousands of posts on varying sites [Goldwings and others] that what you're saying is right, enough to convince me to go that way. Now to find whats available in Oz. the OUDTRAC 5 does not seem to be available here.

Tell me what's readily available to you in the Auto tire category and I'll see what's best in that bunch ….. Mike :ohyea:

[Airborne]

Bosch, who designed & produce the VSS used on our Spyders & a fairly significant range of other vehicles once the working parameters are dialed in seem to be pretty sure that something as trivial changing the brand of tires you run won't upset the VSS at all! It isn't of any concern on any o ne of all those other vehicles either, is it?! Besides, the VSS is designed to handle all sorts of variables, including different tire pressures & therefore differing rolling diameters, traction, road surfaces, etc, so something like a better made tire is going to be absobloodylutely nothing to the VSS!! And then there's the millions of miles of 'free testing' that's been done by thousands of Spyder Ryders over the years, with not one reported concern with the traction/stability systems or the entire VSS reported (in fact, quite the opposite!) IMHO, it's nothing but manufacturer scare tactics & double-speak to make owners scared of using anything but their low quality high priced excuse for a tire! :shocked:

And here in Aust, all vehicles that are approved for sale &/or 'grey import' must be able to run any 'design approved tire' that is within the approved +/- legal size range and that meets or exceeds the load & speed ratings & the construction type. So basically, any Pasenger construction type tire that will fit on your Spyder without modding the swing arms or front suspension under the OE tupperware is almost certainly a legal fitting! :lecturef_smilie: But it is up to you to decide if you want to run any tire other than the Kendas. I know what choice I've made! :thumbup:

What are you running Peter.

[Airborne]

Tell me what's readily available to you in the Auto tire category and I'll see what's best in that bunch ….. Mike :ohyea:

Thanks Mike, waiting on Peter or will do some research, finally though do changing from Kendas make that much of a difference, especially to handling/stability.

[FalconAF]

I'm guessing that you missed my Thread about this subject …. Harley Davidson .. SELLS their Trikes with Auto tires mounted as OEM tires … HD lists their Trikes as Motorcycles …… There is ZERO incentive for a dealer NOT to require the tires be Kenda's.... they make a hugh profit for doing this …… JMHO …. Mike :ohyea:

That is true. But the key difference is HD "sells their trikes with auto tires mounted as OEM tires" to begin with. An attorney would have a hard time winning a lawsuit about an "aftermarket car tire" causing an accident or injury being the DEALER'S fault in the future if all they did was REPLACE an OEM-standard piece of equipment. HD made the "car tire" the "standard equipment of the product line" when it was originally bought by the customer. The lawyer would have to sue the TIRE MANUFACTURER instead of the DEALER or HD, and would have to prove the ENTIRE TIRE PRODUCT LINE was defective. That's not gonna happen. Plus, not many lawyers would WANT to sue an "American Icon" company like HD. They are the ONLY U.S. motorcycle manufacturer. And HD is struggling to even sell motorcycles nowadays. The media would have a field day with that. But sue a foreign manufacturer? Or their "dealer's representative"? Why not? The lawyers advertise, "You don't pay us unless we WIN!" is how most of these lawsuits work. If (when?) the lawyer wins the case, they keep one-third of the settlement as their "fee". It's a great way to make a living. And oh...if the lawyer isn't pretty sure they WILL win to begin with, they aren't even going to TRY to do the lawsuit to begin with. Sorry, but that's how it really works.

So a dealer replacing a motorcycle tire with a car tire is subject to getting screwed TWO ways if they do it. First, they could get sued by any attorney who thinks they could convince a jury it was the dealer's fault. And second, the motorcycle manufacture could always say, "We didn't condone that. In fact, we RECOMMENDED to our dealers NOT to do it. It's not OUR fault. Heck, we even state it might VOID THE WARRANTY if the owner did it."

Me? I'm gonna put car tires on my Spyder when the OEM's wear out. But it will be with the full knowledge that if I get in an accident after that, there won't be anyone I can reasonably try to blame for it "tire-wise". So if a dealer doesn't want to do it for me, I'm fine with that. If anyone else wants to do it for me, I'm willing to sign a "release of liability" for them in advance if they provide the service. Heck, in all honesty, I have a hard time believing anybody who agrees to MOUNT "car tires" on my motorcycle for me WOULDN'T want a "release of liability" form from me before they would do it. There's probably a lawyer out there somewhere who would chomp at the bit to sue the "installer" AND ME if I caused the accident. "Your Honor, and members of this distinguished jury (?), Rick knowingly put car tires on his motorcycle fully knowing the manufacturer recommended against doing that. When he lost control of the vehicle with THOSE tires and ran over Fluffy, the Plaintiff's loving family member poodle, he caused immense pain and suffering for the entire family. Make him pay! Make Him Pay!!!" :clap:

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

That is true. But the key difference is HD "sells their trikes with auto tires mounted as OEM tires" to begin with. An attorney would have a hard time winning a lawsuit about an "aftermarket car tire" causing an accident or injury being the DEALER'S fault in the future if all they did was REPLACE an OEM-standard piece of equipment. HD made the "car tire" the "standard equipment of the product line" when it was originally bought by the customer. The lawyer would have to sue the TIRE MANUFACTURER instead of the DEALER or HD, and would have to prove the ENTIRE TIRE PRODUCT LINE was defective. That's not gonna happen. Plus, not many lawyers would WANT to sue an "American Icon" company like HD. They are the ONLY U.S. motorcycle manufacturer. And HD is struggling to even sell motorcycles nowadays. The media would have a field day with that. But sue a foreign manufacturer? Or their "dealer's representative"? Why not? The lawyers advertise, "You don't pay us unless we WIN!" is how most of these lawsuits work. If (when?) the lawyer wins the case, they keep one-third of the settlement as their "fee". It's a great way to make a living. And oh...if the lawyer isn't pretty sure they WILL win to begin with, they aren't even going to TRY to do the lawsuit to begin with. Sorry, but that's how it really works.

So a dealer replacing a motorcycle tire with a car tire is subject to getting screwed TWO ways if they do it. First, they could get sued by any attorney who thinks they could convince a jury it was the dealer's fault. And second, the motorcycle manufacture could always say, "We didn't condone that. In fact, we RECOMMENDED to our dealers NOT to do it. It's not OUR fault. Heck, we even state it might VOID THE WARRANTY if the owner did it."

Me? I'm gonna put car tires on my Spyder when the OEM's wear out. But it will be with the full knowledge that if I get in an accident after that, there won't be anyone I can reasonably try to blame for it "tire-wise". So if a dealer doesn't want to do it for me, I'm fine with that. If anyone else wants to do it for me, I'm willing to sign a "release of liability" for them in advance if they provide the service.

It would be in your best interests to familiarize your self with the " Moss-Magnusson Act " …. and I am quite familiar with what goes on in Court with attorney's etc. ……. I was a certified accident investigator for many years and testified in court about tires more times than I can count …. … Are you aware that the wheels on your Spyder " MOTORCYLE ", are actually stamped " J " type rims ….. which are AUTOMBILE rims ( not motorcycle rims - which are quite different )….. go figure :gaah: ….. Mike :ohyea:

[FalconAF]

I'm not arguing with you about the rims and what kind of tires they can use.

The real question is, "Why don't motorcycle dealers want to put car tires on motorcycles?" WE can debate that all day long. But the only person who knows the real answer is the dealers. And THEIR LAWYERS.

I would love to see a motorcycle manufacturer's or dealer's lawyers reply to this thread about it. The LAST thing they are gonna say is because it isn't "profitable". They would all say (if you could get them to even say it), "From a litigation perspective, it's scary as h*ll".

The only people a lawyer has to convince is a JURY in most litigation lawsuits. And juries are notorious for ruling, "Let's screw the companies!!! They can afford it!!!!"

And I'm already familiar with "Moss-Magnusson" and what goes on in courts with attorneys. I was a First Sergeant in the Air Force for 6 of my years in the military. In that capacity, I dealt with both the Staff Judge Advocate's office (the plaintiff attorneys), and the Area Defense Council (the defense attorneys). It was a fascinating education. If you ever want to know how to NOT get selected for jury duty without facing a contempt of court charge, just ask. :popcorn:

PS - I'm not arguing with you. Heck, I respect what you did as a law enforcement officer. Thank you for your service too.

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

I'm not arguing with you about the rims and what kind of tires they can use.

The real question is, "Why don't motorcycle dealers want to put car tires on motorcycles?" WE can debate that all day long. But the only person who knows the real answer is the dealers. And THEIR LAWYERS.

I would love to see a motorcycle manufacturer's or dealer's lawyers reply to this thread about it. The LAST thing they are gonna say is because it isn't "profitable". They would all say (if you could get them to even say it), "From a litigation perspective, it's scary as h*ll".

The only people a lawyer has to convince is a JURY in most litigation lawsuits. And juries are notorious for ruling, "Let's screw the companies!!! They can afford it!!!!"

And I'm already familiar with "Moss-Magnusson" and what goes on in courts with attorneys. I was a First Sergeant in the Air Force for 6 of my years in the military. In that capacity, I dealt with both the Staff Judge Advocate's office (the plaintiff attorneys), and the Area Defense Council (the defense attorneys). It was a fascinating education. If you ever want to know how to NOT get selected for jury duty without facing a contempt of court charge, just ask. :popcorn:

PS - I'm not arguing with you. Heck, I respect what you did as a law enforcement officer. Thank you for your service too.

I wasn't " arguing " with you …. I was providing the best info I had to give you knowledge and perspective …. and the military court system and the US trial court system are vastly different.... Mike :ohyea:

[FalconAF]

I wasn't " arguing " with you …. I was providing the best info I had to give you knowledge and perspective …. and the military court system and the US trial court system are vastly different.... Mike :ohyea:

Of course they are. The UCMJ makes many misdemeanor civilian offenses a federal crime that can result in a felony conviction in a Courts Martial. I can tell my civilian employer to "Go To Hell" and the worst that can happen to me is I get fired. Do that to my military supervisor and I can become a convicted felon for the rest of my life. That's why it behooved me to learn BOTH the civilian and military legal systems. And I learned both of them while working with military lawyers, but many of whom were also CIVILIAN lawyers at the time just doing their 2 weeks of federal Reserve or state National Guard duties each year.

Plus, the civilian system is divided into two distinct parts. Criminal law (crimes against the state or government) and Civil law (committing a wrong against another person, like a personal injury, regardless of whether it was intentional or not), which a surprising number of people don't know, let alone understand the differences between them. Most dealers wouldn't be worried about violating the Criminal law system if they installed car tires on motorcycles. They (and their lawyers) would be more concerned about the Civil law repercussions, where they could be sued for millions of dollars for "personal injury" type of verdicts.

Neither one of us is "totally right" in our knowledge or perspectives or experiences. It's more that there ARE multiple perspectives to be considered in why a dealer or motorcycle manufacturer wouldn't be willing to put car tires on a motorcycle for a customer. The U.S. litigation rules ARE a primary reason for it, even if the bike is sold with car WHEELS with motorcycle tires on it at the time of purchase. But yes, I'll also recognize that some manufacturers and dealers may not want to do it so they could try to "force" a customer to purchase OEM products with a higher profit margin for them.

[Airborne]

Boys! Boys!

It goes to show, many opinions and different angles out there. I Believe both of you are correct in your opinions and can see where your coming from.

Thing is, are we being given the wrong information about the OEM tires and is it simply cost - the cost of the tire to the manufacturer -or simply a profit making exercise - i wonder!

Me, i'd rather listen and trust people with the time and experience over many years than believe someone that is simply profit driven.

My opinion - I put whatever i want on my vehicles so long as they are safe and improve performance and i believe someone would have a hard time prosecuting me in this particular
scenario.

Thanks to you both for your help and opinions, keep em coming, they count.

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

Of course they are. The UCMJ makes many misdemeanor civilian offenses a federal crime that can result in a felony conviction in a Courts Martial. I can tell my civilian employer to "Go To Hell" and the worst that can happen to me is I get fired. Do that to my military supervisor and I can become a convicted felon for the rest of my life. That's why it behooved me to learn BOTH the civilian and military legal systems. And I learned both of them while working with military lawyers, but many of whom were also CIVILIAN lawyers at the time just doing their 2 weeks of federal Reserve or state National Guard duties each year.

Plus, the civilian system is divided into two distinct parts. Criminal law (crimes against the state or government) and Civil law (committing a wrong against another person, like a personal injury, regardless of whether it was intentional or not), which a surprising number of people don't know, let alone understand the differences between them. Most dealers wouldn't be worried about violating the Criminal law system if they installed car tires on motorcycles. They (and their lawyers) would be more concerned about the Civil law repercussions, where they could be sued for millions of dollars for "personal injury" type of verdicts.

Neither one of us is "totally right" in our knowledge or perspectives or experiences. It's more that there ARE multiple perspectives to be considered in why a dealer or motorcycle manufacturer wouldn't be willing to put car tires on a motorcycle for a customer. The U.S. litigation rules ARE a primary reason for it, even if the bike is sold with car WHEELS with motorcycle tires on it at the time of purchase. But yes, I'll also recognize that some manufacturers and dealers may not want to do it so they could try to "force" a customer to purchase OEM products with a higher profit margin for them.

I think you want to " argue " so I'm done here …. bets of luck and good cheer …… Mike :ohyea:

[Jbax]

Okay I need somebody to tell me what size I need to put on the front and back of my rt and psi . I ride two and pull a trailer sometimes . I so confused people are posting different sizes. Please help

[Spyderlass]

Okay I need somebody to tell me what size I need to put on the front and back of my rt and psi . I ride two and pull a trailer sometimes . I so confused people are posting different sizes. Please helpIdeally you need the standard size of tyre, unfortunately there is very few manufacturers make our size of tyre and of them the tyres they make are often not so desirable. So, if you want to keep your bike's VSS and ABS within it's design parameters you will be best selecting a tyre with as near as possible the same rolling radius as the original tyre's rolling radius.

There will be some tolerance for the rolling radius because tyres wear out and get smaller so they need to do more revolutions per mile as they wear out. IMHO, if an exact match in rolling radius is not available it is therefore better to select a tyre with a smaller diameter rather than a larger diameter. That equates to more turns per mile. Here is a link to a tyre calculator, in line 1 put the original equipment tyre size, in line 2 put the tyre size you are checking and then click on compare. https://tiresize.com/comparison/

If you're not happy with alternative tyres you find in the correct size and you want to make a change of tyre, you need to start investigating alternatives of a different size. When you find a tyre you're interested in and it comes in sizes approximate to the original tyres, you can enter your chosen size into the calculator and check whether you deem it suitable.

So, as an example, for the rear tyre line 1 will be: 225 - 50 - 15 (original size)
If you put 205 - 55 - 15 into line two you'll find that to be an almost exact match in rolling radius. Other sizes will vary, of course. Only you can decide what tyre and what size you are happy to accept. Obviously you need to repeat this for the front tyres too.

Again, only you know what type of tyre you need, eg. do you ride in rainy conditions, do you ride in snow occasionally, are you a fair weather rider etc. Choosing a winter or all-weather tread pattern wouldn't make sense if you mainly ride in summer in Texas!

To assist with a tyre choice it just happens that in the EU it is a legal requirement that tyres are tested and labeled with certain characteristics so buyers can make a better assessment than simply guessing or choosing a tyre because it looks good or is just a recommendation. The main parameters on the label are: Fuel economy, tyre noise, wet grip and a snowflake symbol if the tyre is classed for winter use.

This can be useful to you because if your choice of tyre is available also in Europe, and many of them will be, you can go to a European website and view the tyre characteristics since it is a legal requirement that they be stated. Here is a link to one site which I use frequently, though they don't necessarily carry all makes of tyre. https://www.oponeo.co.uk/

I'll post a picture of an actual tyre label so you can get a better idea how it is done. The label is attached to the tyre tread.

However, the final choice is yours. Good luck with it! :thumbup:

Edit: Green, Grade A is good, red is bad.

[Jbax]

Thanks for all the helpful information

[bigbadbrucie]

Well, I ordered my Vredestrein fronts on May 9th from QuattroTires out of Quebec, received them today. I went to my. Dealer and they will be mounting and balancing them tomorrow. Will let you know what I think of them once I have a few Km’s on them. Looking forward to replacing the Kenda’s. I’ll probably do the rear next year.

[wallburl]

2012 RT--my dealer is will switch my tires to Vresdestane Quatres5 and Tumho Ecsta rear Tuesday--no problem. His service guy says the car tire wall will or may, cause windshield bracket to break??? Had seen any such a report here. wallburl--Wichita Ks--Marine World Dealer.

[h0gr1der]

I can conclusively say, tongue in cheek, that my Vredesteins absolutely haven't killed me, broke the bike, or made the windshield bracket bust. The Kuhmo, on the other hand!!! Can't say. Seriously, if the tires balance out correctly, how could it possibly bust the bracket? Rougher ride? No way! The Vredesteins ride and handle better. The fronts are about 2 lbs lighter each, less unsprung weight.

[Peter Aawen]

2012 RT--my dealer is will switch my tires to Vresdestane Quatres5 and Tumho Ecsta rear Tuesday--no problem. His service guy says the car tire wall will or may, cause windshield bracket to break??? Had seen any such a report here. wallburl--Wichita Ks--Marine World Dealer.

Absolute bunkum & balderdash! :roflblack:

My windscreen bracket broke about 500km BEFORE I tossed the crappy Kendas in the bin at about 5000km! He's using a 'known weakness' to try and bulls***! people into thinking their tire choice had something to do with it! :mad:

Yes, it IS quite likely that your windshield bracket will break AT SOME TIME, but it's likely gonna do that regardless of your tire choice! I really wouldn't trust a tech who doles out that sorta rubbish any further than I could throw him, and I'd be marching into the Dealer Principal's office and telling him it's THAT sort of BS that's lost him yet another customer, before going elswhere PDQ! :lecturef_smilie: How can you trust someone who spreads obvious BS like that to do any reliable work on your Spyder, or on anything else for that matter!! :gaah:

Enjoy whatever tire you choose to fit, secure in the knowledge that your tire choice has ABSOLUTELY NO IMPACT on that windscreen bracket breaking or not! And if your windscreen bracket does happen to break (for entirely unrelated reasons) then send 'Noboot' here on the forum a msg/PM & get one of his billet replacements with all the necessary wedges & instructions to change it out too - they look pretty damn good and they WONT EVER break on you, tire choice notwithstanding! Only if you send him a msg in the next 5 weeks or so, it might take a bit of a while for him to get back to you - he's gone bush & will only have occasional phone/web access until he's back. :thumbup:

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

2012 RT--my dealer is will switch my tires to Vresdestane Quatres5 and Tumho Ecsta rear Tuesday--no problem. His service guy says the car tire wall will or may, cause windshield bracket to break??? Had seen any such a report here. wallburl--Wichita Ks--Marine World Dealer.

I really like the Quatrac 5 tire …. Your STEALER is " lying " to you - period ….. The Kumho is OK , however many folks here have reported at about 1/2 worn the WET traction starts to get BAD ….. there are other better choices …… good luck …. Mike ……………...PS the front PSI is best at 15-16 …. the rear 17 - 18 …..

[PW2013STL]

At 17,000 miles my 205/55R15 S-drive rear tire hit the wear bars, so I mounted the Quatres 5 in 205/60R15 yesterday. Today did about 350 miles on it. The first thing I noticed was the softer ride. I assume that is due to the ratio difference as well as the softer sidewall on the Vresdestane. The grip was every bit as good as the S-drive, but with a more comfortable ride.

I am very pleased with these tires!
I am running the fronts at 16# and the rear at 18#

Side note this size is getting my mph reading to within 1 mph differance from my GPS, so at 61 on the Spyder my GPS reads 60. My wife's 2018 F3L with stock tires was reading the same on hers. We dropped her Spyder off at the dealer for its 3000 mile service and they let her take an 2019 F3L to ride. That one also read 61 at a GPS 60 on stock tires.
It appears that CanAm has adjusted them to be closer to the true speed. This means I will need to keep the replacement rear tire ratio closer to the 50 the stock tire has.

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

At 17,000 miles my 205/55R15 S-drive rear tire hit the wear bars, so I mounted the Quatres 5 in 205/60R15 yesterday. Today did about 350 miles on it. The first thing I noticed was the softer ride. I assume that is due to the ratio difference as well as the softer sidewall on the Vresdestane. The grip was every bit as good as the S-drive, but with a more comfortable ride.

I am very pleased with these tires!
I am running the fronts at 16# and the rear at 18#

Side note this size is getting my mph reading to within 1 mph differance from my GPS, so at 61 on the Spyder my GPS reads 60. My wife's 2018 F3L with stock tires was reading the same on hers. We dropped her Spyder off at the dealer for its 3000 mile service and they let her take an 2019 F3L to ride. That one also read 61 at a GPS 60 on stock tires.
It appears that CanAm has adjusted them to be closer to the true speed. This means I will need to keep the replacement rear tire ratio closer to the 50 the stock tire has.

You said that the Vredestein had the same reading ( even tho it's a 60 sidewall ) ….. If you like the ride of the Vredestein ( :clap: ) ….. then I would stick with that tire ….. the Quatrac 5 has a better performance rating than the " S " drive and I believe it will last longer …… Mike :ohyea:

[PW2013STL]

You said that the Vredestein had the same reading ( even tho it's a 60 sidewall ) ….. If you like the ride of the Vredestein ( :clap: ) ….. then I would stick with that tire ….. the Quatrac 5 has a better performance rating than the " S " drive and I believe it will last longer …… Mike :ohyea:

Mike,

I will be staying with this tire as it does everything I want a Spyder tire to do!
Thank you for promoting this tire!!

Les

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

Mike,

I will be staying with this tire as it does everything I want a Spyder tire to do!
Thank you for promoting this tire!!

Les

Your welcome ….. I don't consider what I say about tires is really " promoting " ….. it's more like Sharing knowledge, … Myself and Peter ( Aawen ) know more about tires ( from the science side of it ) than anyone else I know on this Forum...… Peter gives Excellent advice … I would follow Him to H*ll if He asked …:roflblack:.. Mike :ohyea:

[Spyderlass]

..Myself and Peter ( Aawen ) know more about tires ( from the science side of it ) than anyone else I know on this Forum...… Oh, really? That's good to know... :banghead:

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

Oh, really? That's good to know... :banghead:

I'm glad you are happy or something …. it indicates you at the very least your alive …...:dontknow:...………. I realize you are or weren't happy about what I discovered about your Maxxis tyre ….. but you were the one Quoting Tyre tests, to begin with …… Mike :ohyea:

[Spyderlass]

... I realize you are or weren't happy about what I discovered about your Maxxis tyre …..On the contrary, you didn't discover anything I didn't already know. You just thought you did.

[billythekidd]

Here is a nice site to compare tires. As with everything there will be multiple opinions. Scroll down until you find the manufacture you want and then click on the tire of your choice..

http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Tyre/

[Jbax]

I just tried to find 205/60r15 Quatrc 5 on tirerake.com it came back it doesn’t make it in that size. How can everybody else get in that size but me 😢🤪

[h0gr1der]

I just tried to find 205/60r15 Quatrc 5 on tirerake.com it came back it doesn’t make it in that size. How can everybody else get in that size but me ����

The rear tire isn't at Tire Rack in the USA. I found mine at Vulcan Tire, but they had a 1 month ship time even if it was in stock.

[PW2013STL]

The rear tire isn't at Tire Rack in the USA. I found mine at Vulcan Tire, but they had a 1 month ship time even if it was in stock.

Same for me - but it's worth the wait!

[missouriboy]

I just read a customer review of the Vredestein Quatrac 5 from an unhappy camper who put a full set on his car. To wit:
June 06, 2019
The tire was an above average driving tire. Until it hit about 20000 miles. After that the noise is unreal. Cannot carry on a conversation, cannot even hear the radio. Turned into a miserable tire once it hit about 20000 miles. Not even usable. Upset at the tire manufacturer and upset at Tire Rack for selling me a tire that did not give usable drive after 20000 miles.Now, if you can't hear the radio in a car, imagine what it would be like on the front of a Spyder!

So, does anyone yet have 20k miles on their front Quatracs? Noise?

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

I just read a customer review of the Vredestein Quatrac 5 from an unhappy camper who put a full set on his car. To wit: Now, if you can't hear the radio in a car, imagine what it would be like on the front of a Spyder!

So, does anyone yet have 20k miles on their front Quatracs? Noise?

Well this is interesting ….. I know of 15 folks here who have them on now and NONE have mentioned any noise from the front ( or rear ) tire..... what psi are you using ????? …...…...Thanks …. Mike :ohyea:

[h0gr1der]

Kind of off topic, but not really. My son just had to replace his tires on his car about 5,000-10,000 miles before they were at advertised mileage. The why of it was noise. The tires (Bridgestones) got so noisy he thought he was losing a wheel bearing. Replacement with Michelin tires got better handling and quieter ride. So time only will tell. I suspect the car tires if properly inflated will last much longer for the long run. The Vredesteins are a relatively soft and low UTQG (400) tire, so on a car they may not have a good and long life.

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

Kind of off topic, but not really. My son just had to replace his tires on his car about 5,000-10,000 miles before they were at advertised mileage. The why of it was noise. The tires (Bridgestones) got so noisy he thought he was losing a wheel bearing. Replacement with Michelin tires got better handling and quieter ride. So time only will tell. I suspect the car tires if properly inflated will last much longer for the long run. The Vredesteins are a relatively soft and low UTQG (400) tire, so on a car they may not have a good and long life.

The interesting thing about " UTQG " numbers are …. they aren't consistent, each manufacturer rates they own tires ( not the Gov't. ) I had the Michelin Hydro-Edge on my RT on the rear …. I took it off at 34,000 mi., and I believe it was labeled at 450 UTQG …… Mike :ohyea:

[missouriboy]

Well this is interesting ….. I know of 15 folks here who have them on now and NONE have mentioned any noise from the front ( or rear ) tire..... what psi are you using ????? …...…...Thanks …. Mike :ohyea:Mike, please read my post again... I don't have the tires yet. I was on the webpage ready to order a pair, and saw that user review that I quoted.

So my question was does anyone here have 20k miles yet, and are they noisy after that? Annnnd, it may take much more than 20k to reach that condition, due to the Spyder's lower weight.

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

Mike, please read my post again... I don't have the tires yet. I was on the webpage ready to order a pair, and saw that user review that I quoted.

So my question was does anyone here have 20k miles yet, and are they noisy after that? Annnnd, it may take much more than 20k to reach that condition, due to the Spyder's lower weight.

No matter it's still interesting and 15 folks here haven't yet complained about noise ….. I have heard that they aren't the quietest tire, but their great traction is more important ...imho …. Mike :ohyea:

[missouriboy]

Then I guess I'll go ahead and order a set today. I'll make a new thread to show my OEM Kenda fronts, if I can figure out how...

[Jeffmal]

I have Vredestein Quatrac 5 all around. I have put around 3k miles on them so far and I find them to be smooth and relatively quiet.
I was ryding in a really bad South Fl rainstorm with a crazy amount of standing water and the rear did slide out once. I don't believe any
other tire would have stuck better in that situation. Aside from the rear being slightly narrower than OEM, I love them!

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

Then I guess I'll go ahead and order a set today. I'll make a new thread to show my OEM Kenda fronts, if I can figure out how...

Read ….. Jeffmal 's post ……. Mike :ohyea:

[WisconsinDavid]

Just rode 2500 miles on them. The handling is so much improved over the stock tires! The trip also had 150 miles in really driving rain and the tire performed well during that portion of the trip too, being very sure-footed. I have not noticed more noise than the original stock tires. Time will tell the tale of how long they will hold up. So far though... really, really happy with the change to the Vredestein Quatracs.

[SteveandBelinda]

Got mine about a month or two ago for the front. Like the tires, but the steering is somewhat squirrelly compared to the stock tires. Running a 17.5 right now, may go back to 19.

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

Got mine about a month or two ago for the front. Like the tires, but the steering is somewhat squirrelly compared to the stock tires. Running a 17.5 right now, may go back to 19.

" squirrely "..... That has nothing to do with the Quatrac 5 tires.... More than 15 folks here have them and No one has reported this, I also doubt your 17.5 psi has anything to do with it either..... Mike :ohyea:

[h0gr1der]

Got mine about a month or two ago for the front. Like the tires, but the steering is somewhat squirrelly compared to the stock tires. Running a 17.5 right now, may go back to 19.

I ended up at 15 in the front and 16 in the rear with the Vredesteins all the way around. Of course in my neck of the woods you gain about 2-3 PSI just on daytime heating alone, not to mention road and friction heating. These pressures are for my bike unladen, and provide me with the largest contact patch without rolling the sidewalls into play. One thing I can say is they didn't make my Spyder more twitchy, squirrelly, or anything but more stable, with better handling (and balance. I got a bad Kenda front). All this without alignment. I can't wait for all this rain to pass so I can get to the alignment place, but it's one state away.

[missouriboy]

I have had TWO experiences in the past with "squirelly" handling right after getting new tires on cars: both times it was because the installer put waaaay too much air in them!

The first time was a full new set and the inflation was crazily uneven all around, up to 50 lbs in one tire. The second time was a new pair of fronts, with 37lb in one side and 42 in the other. Whaaat? The cars drove funny, but when I discovered the problem and let the pressure down to normal, the tires performed great, just like they should. Aaaahhhhhh!

[bigbadbrucie]

Got mine about a month or two ago for the front. Like the tires, but the steering is somewhat squirrelly compared to the stock tires. Running a 17.5 right now, may go back to 19.

Sounds strange to me....I put fronts on mine a couple of weeks ago and put 16# in them. Steering and handling were immediately better, more stable. More secure in the curves.