Ryder, a winner for Can Am

[OldDog]

The Ryker looks to be a winner for Can Am with all the positive reviews. I like the shaft drive, single swing arm, and slick looking rear wheel. People are saying it would not be good for touring. I guess that remains to be seen. :thumbup:

[Chupaca]

We shall see though I believe that it was not intended to be a touring unit. Folks will modify it adding bag and baggage, windshields and all the other needed items to make it fit the need. Perhaps once done they will find it better to just get the one already set up for it. Guess that would be the F3L :dontknow:

[UtahPete]

The Ryker looks to be a winner for Can Am with all the positive reviews. I like the shaft drive, single swing arm, and slick looking rear wheel. People are saying it would not be good for touring. I guess that remains to be seen. :thumbup: P

It's not designed specifically for touring, as the Spyder RT is, but any bike can be used for touring. I had a Yamaha VStar for 10 years before buying the Spyder, and I used it exclusively for touring. There were some compromises in power, comfort and luggage capacity, but it worked.

[Navydad]

I tour on a Yamaha 500 T-Max scooter when traveling one up. Haven't had any problems going where I wanted to go or any problems keeping up with anyone yet. As UtahPete said, any bike is a touring bike. It isn't the bike it's the rider. I think the Rykers would make a great solo touring rig, just get it equipped the way you want and hit the road.


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[4 MARIE]

touring rig ? maybe. The sure thing, is that BRP is going to sell a TON of these.
Some current ryders are talking about adding a ryker to the stable.

[Two cats]

touring rig ? maybe. The sure thing, is that BRP is going to sell a TON of these.
Some current ryders are talking about adding a ryker to the stable.
yes my wife has been looking at them. She's had her license for years. She just hope's they will come out with a more comfortable seat for them. I guess we'll have to wait and see what comes out in after market stuff.

[MikeT]

touring rig ? maybe. The sure thing, is that BRP is going to sell a TON of these.
Some current ryders are talking about adding a ryker to the stable.

Dealers are going to have a bunch of them to sell. The minimum order is 20 units.
Mike

[PrairieSpyder]

I haven't ridden one yet, but got to sit on one at Texas Hill Country. The seat isn't as uncomfortable as it looks, but I don't know how it would do for an all day ride. I had just two ergo problems: I couldn't reach the shifter with my left foot because my legs are too short; and the handle bars need to be switched to something that bends more to the rider for my short arms.

[BryanSD]

You should be able to accessorize the Ryker to a level that would be comfortable for touring. The problem though is as the accessorized cost hits the $12,000-$13,000 range with those accessories for a few thousand dollars more into the price point of a used low-mileage Spyder. In some cases you might find a leftover new Spyder on the lot for just a few thousand dollars more. For example, I have my eye on a new 2017 F3-T left at a regional dealership for just around $16,500.

I haven't seen the Ryker in person, but with the videos I've seen what has me intrigued is that the Ryker's total cost of ownership should remain pretty low. Although I'd miss the frunk found in the RT and F3, what's under the hood of a Ryker looks like routine maintenance will be a whole lot simpler on the Ryker than it is on the Spyder.

[Sarge707]

Just put my $250 deposit and its coming in December along with 9 0thers to my dealer. He will also have a Spring shipment of about 14 more. Got the 900cc (Non Rally) and No Prep or Shipping although the dealer said it takes a couple hours to put together. Just sales tax and the $250 Covers Registration stuff. I can ride ALL winter in CT because the main roads always get cleared good. Thermal Suit, Warm & Safe glove liners, balaclava and wool socks and I'm all set.
I'm so Pumped because I figured they would not be here till March-April?:bowdown:

[ARtraveler]

Just put my $250 deposit and its coming in December along with 9 0thers to my dealer. He will also have a Spring shipment of about 14 more. Got the 900cc (Non Rally) and No Prep or Shipping although the dealer said it takes a couple hours to put together. Just sales tax and the $250 Covers Registration stuff. I can ride ALL winter in CT because the main roads always get cleared good. Thermal Suit, Warm & Safe glove liners, balaclava and wool socks and I'm all set.
I'm so Pumped because I figured they would not be here till March-April?:bowdown:

Many on the site are going to be looking forward to your riding evaluation of the Ryker now that you have bought one. And...it sounds like you got a pretty good price. :bowdown:

[Sarge707]

Many on the site are going to be looking forward to your riding evaluation of the Ryker now that you have bought one. And...it sounds like you got a pretty good price. :bowdown:
Yeah- I have known Bob about 30 Years since I bought my 1989 Sea-Doo and bought 14 More of them and 3 Spyders through the years so he Never charged me the Freight/Prep stuff.
The southern folks should be reporting also because they might get there earlier in the month? I declined to trade in the F3 because I can get more for it Next summer OR the summer after as some Ryker riders want to move up to the Big Boys! I will be content with 2 again until I feel certain the Ryker does everything I need it to do.nojoke

[ofdave]

Dealers are going to have a bunch of them to sell. The minimum order is 20 units.
Mike

that makes no sense at all.
Share with us your source for that please.
20 units is not required now with all the different Spyder models.
Adding 20 units would cause many small dealers some problems with floor plan costs.

[Winnex3]

Just put my $250 deposit and its coming in December along with 9 0thers to my dealer. He will also have a Spring shipment of about 14 more. Got the 900cc (Non Rally) and No Prep or Shipping although the dealer said it takes a couple hours to put together. Just sales tax and the $250 Covers Registration stuff. I can ride ALL winter in CT because the main roads always get cleared good. Thermal Suit, Warm & Safe glove liners, balaclava and wool socks and I'm all set.
I'm so Pumped because I figured they would not be here till March-April?:bowdown:
got me the same kind of deal on the rally with army green panels plus 500 dollars below list 166917:yes:

[ARtraveler]

that makes no sense at all.
Share with us your source for that please.
20 units is not required now with all the different Spyder models.
Adding 20 units would cause many small dealers some problems with floor plan costs.

With BRP, nothing seems the same all over. My dealer said his minimum was twelve. Regardless, that was enough to cause him to discontinue selling the Spyder line.

I have mentioned it a couple times, but will again. Alaska now has NO dealers to sell Spyders. Dealer said they would do service for one final year. Will let you folks know how that works out.

:bbq::bbq:

[Sarge707]

got me the same kind of deal on the rally with army green panels plus 500 dollars below list 166917:yes:

It can be done!!! :clap:

[PW2013STL]

that makes no sense at all.
Share with us your source for that please.
20 units is not required now with all the different Spyder models.
Adding 20 units would cause many small dealers some problems with floor plan costs.

My dealer had to order 30. They did not want to order that many, but were told they had to. Now they have to figure out where to put the $9,600 display that they also had to take. BRP told my dealer that they expect to loose up to 20% of their dealers due to the Ryker requirements nojoke

[jaherbst]

Not my cup o tea. I still think the younger crowd will go for two wheels first. Demo'd in Texas and was not the least bit impressed. Personally it's kind of like a

play I once saw. The name was "Much ado about Nothing".

I think too much of my Wife and Children to put them on this Beast with no protection against the elements. It comes "Bare Bones" and to out fit it for the

road would be way North of 16K. No place for luggage, groceries etc.

Hate to rain on anyones parade but seriously look at it in person, sit on it, drive it and make up your own mind.

Jack

[Highwayman2013]

Not my cup o tea. I still think the younger crowd will go for two wheels first. Demo'd in Texas and was not the least bit impressed. Personally it's kind of like a

play I once saw. The name was "Much ado about Nothing".

I think too much of my Wife and Children to put them on this Beast with no protection against the elements. It comes "Bare Bones" and to out fit it for the

road would be way North of 16K. No place for luggage, groceries etc.

Hate to rain on anyones parade but seriously look at it in person, sit on it, drive it and make up your own mind.

Jack
Funny, I rode one thought it was fun, rear trunk and saddle bag available.

[BryanSD]

Not my cup o tea. I still think the younger crowd will go for two wheels first. Demo'd in Texas and was not the least bit impressed. Personally it's kind of like a

play I once saw. The name was "Much ado about Nothing".

I think too much of my Wife and Children to put them on this Beast with no protection against the elements. It comes "Bare Bones" and to out fit it for the

road would be way North of 16K. No place for luggage, groceries etc.

Hate to rain on anyones parade but seriously look at it in person, sit on it, drive it and make up your own mind.

Jack

I haven't rode one yet, but for all the negatives you talk about the Ryker (no storage, bare bones, no protection against elements, etc) they are all there for two-wheelers too. I think the Ryker will be perfect for all those people (mostly younger adults) that ride around my city in their street-legal ATVs that rarely take them off-road. Not sure where you get $16K because when I accessorized to meet my needs (windshield, storage, etc) I got around $12-13K. I do agree though with where you're going with this though, if I wanted a 3-wheeler for the 200+ mile trips it wouldn't be the Ryker. But for nearby city/country driving as a second three-wheeler in the family...the Ryker has my attention.

I don't know about two-wheels instead of three-wheels argument for the younger crowd as the demographics are changing. Meeting motorcycle licensing requirements as a beginner is no longer cheap in both time and money (if you include the lessons). A lot of younger people also don't see the need to ride a motorcycle period as their car, a scooter or Uber/Lyft in the city suffice to meet their needs. I think this is also why Can-Am doesn't just see their future to include the Ryker but also to include the states to lower their motorcycle requirements for three-wheelers. Younger folks as whole just aren't as interested in riding a motorcycle so I think the Ryker is aimed at those that never thought they would get a motorcycle in the first place...but at this price point, ease of use, and level of fun they might be interested.

[SPECTACUALR SPIDERMAN]

does anyone remember in the '90's when hyundai came to u.s. and introduced the excel? well it was an inexpensive
NEW car for those that couldn't or didn't want to spend a lot, anyway kids would buy the car and put 5k in wheels and
stereo and this was in the 1990's when the car went for $4,995 new.
My point being, is this what will happen with the ryker?

[jaherbst]

I haven't rode one yet, but for all the negatives you talk about the Ryker (no storage, bare bones, no protection against elements, etc) they are all there for two-wheelers too. I think the Ryker will be perfect for all those people (mostly younger adults) that ride around my city in their street-legal ATVs that rarely take them off-road. Not sure where you get $16K because when I accessorized to meet my needs (windshield, storage, etc) I got around $12-13K. I do agree though with where you're going with this though, if I wanted a 3-wheeler for the 200+ mile trips it wouldn't be the Ryker. But for nearby city/country driving as a second three-wheeler in the family...the Ryker has my attention.

I don't know about two-wheels instead of three-wheels argument for the younger crowd as the demographics are changing. Meeting motorcycle licensing requirements as a beginner is no longer cheap in both time and money (if you include the lessons). A lot of younger people also don't see the need to ride a motorcycle period as their car, a scooter or Uber/Lyft in the city suffice to meet their needs. I think this is also why Can-Am doesn't just see their future to include the Ryker but also to include the states to lower their motorcycle requirements for three-wheelers. Younger folks as whole just aren't as interested in riding a motorcycle so I think the Ryker is aimed at those that never thought they would get a motorcycle in the first place...but at this price point, ease of use, and level of fun they might be interested.

Well thought out reply. Perhaps your right but the proof in the pudding will be in the amount of sales and profit as it is with anything. I am sure they did their

research before the investment. Time will tell. I do hope they are successful however.

Jack

[ARtraveler]

My dealer had to order 30. They did not want to order that many, but were told they had to. Now they have to figure out where to put the $9,600 display that they also had to take. BRP told my dealer that they expect to loose up to 20% of their dealers due to the Ryker requirements nojoke

I could not help but notice the minimum order 30 in this post and that BRP expects to lose 20% of their dealers over the minimum order policy. If the 20% loss of dealers is out there, and is currently a consideration--I wonder if the Spyder brand will survive. The remaining dealers will surely get more business--but which dealers (good or bad reps) will still be around to service?

When Spyder first came out (here 2008)--dealer said he had to order a $15K display set up, as well as a LOT of parts/accessories inventory. In the early days you could buy many accessories right from the sales floor. Now, pretty much everything needs to be pre-ordered. I always make sure parts for any work are in stock--before I bring it in. I don't want it to sit for a week waiting on parts. Got burned on this once already.

Sorry about the gloom & doom. Currently, if I stay here in AK, I am being thrown to the wolves by BRP--and I am pretty sure I was one of their best Spyder customers here (five owned total, and two currently in the garage). Between the five Spyders and five Kawi's since 2001--I have spent a little over $200K with the dealer. In that context--a lot of money for toys from one dealer.

Polaris and the Victory MC comes to mind with a similar situation.

A concept from Managerial Accounting comes to mind here. It is referred to as the "death spiral." It has to do with closing departments of big box stores, or divisions of companies.

Units that are losing some money--once killed, cause the surviving units to lose more money. This is because "allocated" costs across all units are now "re-allocated" to the remaining units--most of the time causing them to lose additional money--making them also ripe for closing.

A simple concept--but a lot of companies don't get it until it is to late. I know a University that is going through the same stuff.

The "consumer advocate" thing is kicking in here. :bowdown:

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[Bob Denman]

Hey Paul!
Welcome back: you "Old Dog"! :D
Where have you been hiding?

[BryanSD]

Well thought out reply. Perhaps your right but the proof in the pudding will be in the amount of sales and profit as it is with anything. I am sure they did their

research before the investment. Time will tell. I do hope they are successful however.

Jack

Yep, I'll be right there with you in letting time tell the tale. I too hope the Ryker's are successful because as long as the demand of any three-wheelers increases I think that's a good thing for the Spyder line as a whole too.

[BryanSD]

I could not help but notice the minimum order 30 in this post and that BRP expects to lose 20% of their dealers over the minimum order policy. If the 20% loss of dealers is out there, and is currently a consideration--I wonder if the Spyder brand will survive. The remaining dealers will surely get more business--but which dealers (good or bad reps) will still be around to service?



Yea, the health of a local dealer is important. I think mine has struggled a bit and I worry. I think it would be in BRP's interest to keep as many Can-Am dealers open as possible. If my local dealer went away, I'm not so sure I'd keep my Spyder. It's no fun to have to travel 70+ miles just to get your Spyder serviced.

[Highwayman2013]

Not my cup o tea. I still think the younger crowd will go for two wheels first. Demo'd in Texas and was not the least bit impressed. Personally it's kind of like a

play I once saw. The name was "Much ado about Nothing".

I think too much of my Wife and Children to put them on this Beast with no protection against the elements. It comes "Bare Bones" and to out fit it for the

road would be way North of 16K. No place for luggage, groceries etc.

Hate to rain on anyones parade but seriously look at it in person, sit on it, drive it and make up your own mind.

Jack
Accessories:https://can-am.brp.com/content/dam/canam-spyder/Global/MY2019/Documents/Brochures/Projet%20S_2019-Accessories-and-RG-Information-Booklet-Consumer-US_LR.pdf

[007james]

Yea, the health of a local dealer is important. I think mine has struggled a bit and I worry. I think it would be in BRP's interest to keep as many Can-Am dealers open as possible. If my local dealer went away, I'm not so sure I'd keep my Spyder. It's no fun to have to travel 70+ miles just to get your Spyder serviced.

BRP is really PUSHING Dealers to jump on their Ryker Program. They are “ Strong Arming” them in to Submission to buy X number of Rykers, up front, before they are even proven to be reliable, successful, Investments’ for Dealers. Worse, the Dealers are asked to vomit $10,000 up front, for a Ryker Display area in their Shop, with a Flat Screen TV and DVD along with the Ryker Demos. My best guess is, most Dealers will greatly decrease the number of RTs and Fs they will order, in order to satisfy BRP’s minimum 2019 Order, and it will be even more difficult for existing RT and F Owners to get even the minimum Service on their existing RTs and Fs, because the Dealer’s “usually” Single Spyder Certified Tech will be pressured to even keep up with the Ryker Service, let alone RT and F Service. Rykers sold will all need their manditory First Service to have the break in oil changed, etc. etc., plus in order to stay Certified, those single Techs will be forced to get additional training for the new Models, either at the BRP Factory, or over the Internet. For we that own RTs and Fs,....I foresee even WORSE Service on our Big expensive Belt Driven Dinasours that are depriciating even more, now that the $10,000 entry level Go-Carts are hyped by BRP and forcing Dealers to choke on. Its gonna look real bad for resale of our RTs and Fs,.....UNTIL the Market gets saturated with the cheap Ryker Go-Cart that Buyers have been hyped in to buying, expecting the Go-Carts to be stripped down Kiddy RTs and Fs, but find out a year later, after their Factory Waurenties have expired, that these little Ten Grand Go-Carts have machancal and electrical problems as well, and still require the very same Dealer Service Tech Hourly charges as the RTs and Fs. I think there will be very few entry level Ryker Buyers that will buy the Ryker 600s for $8500 when they can up the entry another $1500 fir the extra Cylinder and Power of the 900, so “ Naive” Dealers, ( there will be very few) that order the 600s up front for BRPs Strong Arming Hype, will be stuck with them , until they unload them with high Discounts and very little prophet, if any. St Pierre, BRP’s Unlimate Fighter Promoting Champ, will need to visit each Dealer and sighn Autographs on the Rykers still sitting in Crates not sold. Then, those who shelled out $10 Grand for their Go-Carts and spent another $ 2000 on them, by year two, will try to upgrade in to an Adult RT or F, and will discover that their Toy Go-Carts will have also depriciated by the same 50% that RTs and Fs do, after 2 years of ownership, on Resale, so, there will be a much better Market for used RTs and Fs around the beginning of 2021-2022. Wait until the Ryker Tires need replacing, and the Brands, Sizes, Options , pressures, car vs. Motocycle, issues and arguments start appearing here, ....how will the New Ryker Owners survive , unless Blue Knight Mike is reinstated as the Spyderlovers.com Resident Tire Expert to guide the Gullable? Just saying,......but don’t wanna stir the Pot.

[BryanSD]

BRP is really PUSHING Dealers to jump on their Ryker Program. They are “ Strong Arming” them in to Submission to buy X number of Rykers, up front, before they are even proven to be reliable, successful, Investments’ for Dealers. Worse, the Dealers are asked to vomit $10,000 up front, for a Ryker Display area in their Shop, with a Flat Screen TV and DVD along with the Ryker Demos. My best guess is, most Dealers will greatly decrease the number of RTs and Fs they will order, in order to satisfy BRP’s minimum 2019 Order, and it will be even more difficult for existing RT and F Owners to get even the minimum Service on their existing RTs and Fs, because the Dealer’s “usually” Single Spyder Certified Tech will be pressured to even keep up with the Ryker Service, let alone RT and F Service. Rykers sold will all need their manditory First Service to have the break in oil changed, etc. etc., plus in order to stay Certified, those single Techs will be forced to get additional training for the new Models, either at the BRP Factory, or over the Internet. For we that own RTs and Fs,....I foresee even WORSE Service on our Big expensive Belt Driven Dinasours that are depriciating even more, now that the $10,000 entry level Go-Carts are hyped by BRP and forcing Dealers to choke on. Its gonna look real bad for resale of our RTs and Fs,.....UNTIL the Market gets saturated with the cheap Ryker Go-Cart that Buyers have been hyped in to buying, expecting the Go-Carts to be stripped down Kiddy RTs and Fs, but find out a year later, after their Factory Waurenties have expired, that these little Ten Grand Go-Carts have machancal and electrical problems as well, and still require the very same Dealer Service Tech Hourly charges as the RTs and Fs. I think there will be very few entry level Ryker Buyers that will buy the Ryker 600s for $8500 when they can up the entry another $1500 fir the extra Cylinder and Power of the 900, so “ Naive” Dealers, ( there will be very few) that order the 600s up front for BRPs Strong Arming Hype, will be stuck with them , until they unload them with high Discounts and very little prophet, if any. St Pierre, BRP’s Unlimate Fighter Promoting Champ, will need to visit each Dealer and sigh Autographs on the Rykers still sitting in Crates not sold. Then, those who shelled out $10 Grand for their Go-Carts and spent another $ 2000 on them, by year two, will try to upgrade in to an Adult RT or F, and will discover that their Toy Go-Carts will have also depriciated by the same 50% that RTs and Fs do, after 2 years of ownership, on Resale, so, there will be a much better Market for used RTs and Fs around the beginning of 2021-2022. Wait until the Ryker Tires need replacing, and the Brands, Sizes, Options , pressures, car vs. Motocycle, issues and arguments start appearing here, ....how will the New Ryker Owners survive , unless Blue Knight Mike is reinstated as the Spyderlovers.com Resident Tire Expert to guide the Gullable? Just saying,......but don’t wanna stir the Pot.

I think you speak a lot of truth there although I'd probably spin it with a little less gloom and doom. :-) Absolutely agree with you that no one in their right mind should buy a Ryker 600 when with a little more savings a 900 can be obtained. I also think floor space is going to be an issue. My Can-Am dealer already struggles with finding enough space for both the off-road and on-road vehicles that I don't know what they do next Fall if they have a lot of leftover Rykers and Ryders. If I was a dealer, I really wouldn't accept that many trade-ins to show on the floor because pretty much those used Ryders are going to be in direct competition with the selling of new Rykers. If I was a Can-Am dealer, I'd be getting out of the previously owned side of business rather quickly...assuming if I was a dealer that sold only Can-Am.

Having said that, I still think the Rykers are going to sell. If I had to do it all over again today, I would have bought a Ryker as my first reverse trike and when I retire with the time to tour buy a Spyder RT or high-end F3. Plus at it's price point, it would have been fun to have bought two Rykers so I could ride with my wife or son next to me around town. Can't afford two Spyders at the moment.

[Sarge707]

The Rykers are a breath of fresh air. Most all BRP techs know the 900 and 600 very well and the thing can be taken apart by virtually anyone. Oil change-Less oil- are super easy and No DPS or other stuff to go wrong-No Belt tension-Sprockets to fail-Easy rear tire change I bet anyone can do. Is it for everyone-NO- I will keep my F3 till i'm sure it meets All my needs and then the F3 will be History and the $$ will go toward Future Elderly expenses?
I bet Half the Rykers are bought by current Spyder owners?:yikes:

[Highwayman2013]

I also think this will be a positive for Can Am and the dealers. I guess some people are glass half empty sorts. I do my own servicing so as not to take away from those that use the dealer service department. The dealer I buy from said there isn't a lot of markup on the Rykers, it's on the accessories. Sounds like the Harley model. Maybe this minimum order thing is to weed out the underperforming dealers. I am strongly leaning toward a Rally model when my wife's F3L is paid off.

[bscrive]

I also think this will be a positive for Can Am and the dealers. I guess some people are glass half empty sorts. I do my own servicing so as not to take away from those that use the dealer service department. The dealer I buy from said there isn't a lot of markup on the Rykers, it's on the accessories. Sounds like the Harley model. Maybe this minimum order thing is to weed out the underperforming dealers. I am strongly leaning toward a Rally model when my wife's F3L is paid off.


Len, are you going to ride that Ryker to Spyderquest next year? :D

[Markubis]

Hello everyone
New forum poster here but I have been following for years and have been planning on getting a Spyder since they first came out in 2008...I just never pulled the trigger due to home life/needs coming first.
I got certified this past year and was planning on getting the F3-S (which I got certified on) until the Ryker came out and there are many things I love about it. I'll need a test ride first to make up my mind which way I go.

I do, however, have a question. I noticed that when I add the saddlebag onto the Ryker, I am only capable of adding one saddlebag. I would prefer dual saddlebags if not for the simple reason that I like having it look balanced.
Does anyone know, or can confirm that there will be an option for dual saddlebags?

thanks,

[Rob Rodriguez]

Hello everyone
New forum poster here but I have been following for years and have been planning on getting a Spyder since they first came out in 2008...I just never pulled the trigger due to home life/needs coming first.
I got certified this past year and was planning on getting the F3-S (which I got certified on) until the Ryker came out and there are many things I love about it. I'll need a test ride first to make up my mind which way I go.

I do, however, have a question. I noticed that when I add the saddlebag onto the Ryker, I am only capable of adding one saddlebag. I would prefer dual saddlebags if not for the simple reason that I like having it look balanced.
Does anyone know, or can confirm that there will be an option for dual saddlebags?

thanks,

I believe the only factory options are one saddle bag and a top case.

[ARtraveler]

RE: Saddlebags--it does appear to be one only for now. :thumbup:

[007james]

I believe the only factory options are one saddle bag and a top case.

Ryker riders will just have to wear their Back Packs on the shoulder opposite of the side the Saddle Bag is mounted to balence the weight.

[Sarge707]

Hello everyone
New forum poster here but I have been following for years and have been planning on getting a Spyder since they first came out in 2008...I just never pulled the trigger due to home life/needs coming first.
I got certified this past year and was planning on getting the F3-S (which I got certified on) until the Ryker came out and there are many things I love about it. I'll need a test ride first to make up my mind which way I go.

I do, however, have a question. I noticed that when I add the saddlebag onto the Ryker, I am only capable of adding one saddlebag. I would prefer dual saddlebags if not for the simple reason that I like having it look balanced.
Does anyone know, or can confirm that there will be an option for dual saddlebags?

thanks,

If you add the side Bag and top bag you will ride single. Don' worry about balance because the weight of the large single swing arm is on the opposite side of the Side bag. The top bag is only 4.5 gallons while the side bag is 9 gallons. I wish this came out when I was about to buy my 09 GS Way Back then?

[007james]

If you add the side Bag and top bag you will ride single. Don' worry about balance because the weight of the large single swing arm is on the opposite side of the Side bag. The top bag is only 4.5 gallons while the side bag is 9 gallons. I wish this came out when I was about to buy my 09 GS Way Back then?

Maybe BRP will eventually offer optional Pond Tunes on them so they can ride on the water with Seadoos. The Off Roaders that try to keep up with the 4x4 ATVs in the Mug Bogs, will fly by the Single rear wheel Rykers stuck in the mud with their back wheel spinning. But then, optional Wenches will be added to add to the initial prices. Its all good Business and will be fun to watch it all unfold.

[ARtraveler]

http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by 007james http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1401295#post1401295) BRP is really PUSHING Dealers to jump on their Ryker Program. They are “ Strong Arming” them in to Submission to buy X number of Rykers, up front, before they are even proven to be reliable, successful, Investments’ for Dealers. Worse, the Dealers are asked to vomit $10,000 up front, for a Ryker Display area in their Shop, with a Flat Screen TV and DVD along with the Ryker Demos. My best guess is, most Dealers will greatly decrease the number of RTs and Fs they will order, in order to satisfy BRP’s minimum 2019 Order, and it will be even more difficult for existing RT and F Owners to get even the minimum Service on their existing RTs and Fs, because the Dealer’s “usually” Single Spyder Certified Tech will be pressured to even keep up with the Ryker Service, let alone RT and F Service. Rykers sold will all need their manditory First Service to have the break in oil changed, etc. etc., plus in order to stay Certified, those single Techs will be forced to get additional training for the new Models, either at the BRP Factory, or over the Internet. For we that own RTs and Fs,....I foresee even WORSE Service on our Big expensive Belt Driven Dinasours that are depriciating even more, now that the $10,000 entry level Go-Carts are hyped by BRP and forcing Dealers to choke on. Its gonna look real bad for resale of our RTs and Fs,.....UNTIL the Market gets saturated with the cheap Ryker Go-Cart that Buyers have been hyped in to buying, expecting the Go-Carts to be stripped down Kiddy RTs and Fs, but find out a year later, after their Factory Waurenties have expired, that these little Ten Grand Go-Carts have machancal and electrical problems as well, and still require the very same Dealer Service Tech Hourly charges as the RTs and Fs. I think there will be very few entry level Ryker Buyers that will buy the Ryker 600s for $8500 when they can up the entry another $1500 fir the extra Cylinder and Power of the 900, so “ Naive” Dealers, ( there will be very few) that order the 600s up front for BRPs Strong Arming Hype, will be stuck with them , until they unload them with high Discounts and very little prophet, if any. St Pierre, BRP’s Unlimate Fighter Promoting Champ, will need to visit each Dealer and sigh Autographs on the Rykers still sitting in Crates not sold. Then, those who shelled out $10 Grand for their Go-Carts and spent another $ 2000 on them, by year two, will try to upgrade in to an Adult RT or F, and will discover that their Toy Go-Carts will have also depriciated by the same 50% that RTs and Fs do, after 2 years of ownership, on Resale, so, there will be a much better Market for used RTs and Fs around the beginning of 2021-2022. Wait until the Ryker Tires need replacing, and the Brands, Sizes, Options , pressures, car vs. Motocycle, issues and arguments start appearing here, ....how will the New Ryker Owners survive , unless Blue Knight Mike is reinstated as the Spyderlovers.com Resident Tire Expert to guide the Gullable? Just saying,......but don’t wanna stir the Pot.


I think you speak a lot of truth there although I'd probably spin it with a little less gloom and doom. :-) Absolutely agree with you that no one in their right mind should buy a Ryker 600 when with a little more savings a 900 can be obtained. I also think floor space is going to be an issue. My Can-Am dealer already struggles with finding enough space for both the off-road and on-road vehicles that I don't know what they do next Fall if they have a lot of leftover Rykers and Ryders. If I was a dealer, I really wouldn't accept that many trade-ins to show on the floor because pretty much those used Ryders are going to be in direct competition with the selling of new Rykers. If I was a Can-Am dealer, I'd be getting out of the previously owned side of business rather quickly...assuming if I was a dealer that sold only Can-Am.

Having said that, I still think the Rykers are going to sell. If I had to do it all over again today, I would have bought a Ryker as my first reverse trike and when I retire with the time to tour buy a Spyder RT or high-end F3. Plus at it's price point, it would have been fun to have bought two Rykers so I could ride with my wife or son next to me around town. Can't afford two Spyders at the moment.

:agree:x 2. Taken with a little grain of salt, food for thought--but I think the situation has been overplayed intentionally. :popcorn::popcorn:

[Bob Denman]

Hey D: are you starting to get "curious" yet? :D

[Markubis]

If you add the side Bag and top bag you will ride single. Don' worry about balance because the weight of the large single swing arm is on the opposite side of the Side bag. The top bag is only 4.5 gallons while the side bag is 9 gallons. I wish this came out when I was about to buy my 09 GS Way Back then?

Thanks for everyone responding.

The problem I have with one saddlebag is that I was going to be adding the passenger comfort seat, and with a passenger I will be wanting to lock up two helmets when I get to my destination.
The majority of riding will be commuting to work during weekdays, but on weekends I want to be able to bring a passenger with me. The lone saddlebag is a poor decision on Can Am's part.

I'm sure there will be plenty of after market accessories that should fill that gap eventually.

[ARtraveler]

Hey D: are you starting to get "curious" yet? :D

PM sent. :bowdown:

[Sarge707]

Thanks for everyone responding.

The problem I have with one saddlebag is that I was going to be adding the passenger comfort seat, and with a passenger I will be wanting to lock up two helmets when I get to my destination.
The majority of riding will be commuting to work during weekdays, but on weekends I want to be able to bring a passenger with me. The lone saddlebag is a poor decision on Can Am's part.

I'm sure there will be plenty of after market accessories that should fill that gap eventually.

You know- for the $$$ your going to pay for a Ryker you could get one of the Used F3s for sale on the site or in the local cycletrader with less than 10,000 miles in many cases for about $11,000- 11,500 and that's the one you trained on? Something to think about?

[Bob Denman]

PM sent. :bowdown:

PM answered... :thumbup:

[OldDog]

Hey Paul!
Welcome back: you "Old Dog"! :D
Where have you been hiding?
I'm doing fine, Bob! The Ryker looks quite intriguing. I've been lurking here occasionally.

[Markubis]

You know- for the $$$ your going to pay for a Ryker you could get one of the Used F3s for sale on the site or in the local cycletrader with less than 10,000 miles in many cases for about $11,000- 11,500 and that's the one you trained on? Something to think about?

That's an option going through my head as well. But I think if I go with the Spyder instead of the Ryker I might go with the 2019 F3-S Special series Spyder because I REALLY like the color scheme on that.

I live in the Northeast so I won't be buying until the Spring anyways. So that gives me time to test ride and to watch reviews. Also, the aftermarket people will have started making accessories for the Ryker.

Until then I will live another 6 months vicariously though everyone else....drooling and wringing my hands in anticipation! :D

[Highwayman2013]

Len, are you going to ride that Ryker to Spyderquest next year? :D
Not sure about that yet, it could happen.

[bscrive]

Not sure about that yet, it could happen.


:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:

[Cobwebs]

BRP is really PUSHING Dealers to jump on their Ryker Program. They are “ Strong Arming” them in to Submission to buy X number of Rykers, up front, before they are even proven to be reliable, successful, Investments’ for Dealers. Worse, the Dealers are asked to vomit $10,000 up front, for a Ryker Display area in their Shop, with a Flat Screen TV and DVD along with the Ryker Demos. My best guess is, most Dealers will greatly decrease the number of RTs and Fs they will order, in order to satisfy BRP’s minimum 2019 Order, and it will be even more difficult for existing RT and F Owners to get even the minimum Service on their existing RTs and Fs, because the Dealer’s “usually” Single Spyder Certified Tech will be pressured to even keep up with the Ryker Service, let alone RT and F Service. Rykers sold will all need their manditory First Service to have the break in oil changed, etc. etc., plus in order to stay Certified, those single Techs will be forced to get additional training for the new Models, either at the BRP Factory, or over the Internet. For we that own RTs and Fs,....I foresee even WORSE Service on our Big expensive Belt Driven Dinasours that are depriciating even more, now that the $10,000 entry level Go-Carts are hyped by BRP and forcing Dealers to choke on. Its gonna look real bad for resale of our RTs and Fs,.....UNTIL the Market gets saturated with the cheap Ryker Go-Cart that Buyers have been hyped in to buying, expecting the Go-Carts to be stripped down Kiddy RTs and Fs, but find out a year later, after their Factory Waurenties have expired, that these little Ten Grand Go-Carts have machancal and electrical problems as well, and still require the very same Dealer Service Tech Hourly charges as the RTs and Fs. I think there will be very few entry level Ryker Buyers that will buy the Ryker 600s for $8500 when they can up the entry another $1500 fir the extra Cylinder and Power of the 900, so “ Naive” Dealers, ( there will be very few) that order the 600s up front for BRPs Strong Arming Hype, will be stuck with them , until they unload them with high Discounts and very little prophet, if any. St Pierre, BRP’s Unlimate Fighter Promoting Champ, will need to visit each Dealer and sighn Autographs on the Rykers still sitting in Crates not sold. Then, those who shelled out $10 Grand for their Go-Carts and spent another $ 2000 on them, by year two, will try to upgrade in to an Adult RT or F, and will discover that their Toy Go-Carts will have also depriciated by the same 50% that RTs and Fs do, after 2 years of ownership, on Resale, so, there will be a much better Market for used RTs and Fs around the beginning of 2021-2022. Wait until the Ryker Tires need replacing, and the Brands, Sizes, Options , pressures, car vs. Motocycle, issues and arguments start appearing here, ....how will the New Ryker Owners survive , unless Blue Knight Mike is reinstated as the Spyderlovers.com Resident Tire Expert to guide the Gullable? Just saying,......but don’t wanna stir the Pot.
Not sure what the learner rider laws are where you live but here you are required to ride a 600 Ryker for a minimum 2 years before it's legal to move up to a 900 or 1330.Your doomsday prophecy is based on them having the patience to wait for that period of time.Aint going to happen,hell the release date wait is long enough I would suggest dealers need to strengthen the doors to the place for the impending stampede headed their way not booking their slot in the retirement home!:banghead:

[BryanSD]

Not sure what the learner rider laws are where you live but here you are required to ride a 600 Ryker for a minimum 2 years before it's legal to move up to a 900 or 1330.Your doomsday prophecy is based on them having the patience to wait for that period of time.Aint going to happen,hell the release date wait is long enough I would suggest dealers need to strengthen the doors to the place for the impending stampede headed their way not booking their slot in the retirement home!:banghead:

Wow, two years before you can purchase a 900 or 1330? That's crazy. And citizens are OK with this? What's the rationalization for the law?

[Cobwebs]

Wow, two years before you can purchase a 900 or 1330? That's crazy. And citizens are OK with this? What's the rationalization for the law?

Spyders/Rykers are classified as motorcycles and one has to go through the various courses and license steps to ride one legally.Current cost around $1200 to be fully licensed even if you've been driving a car for decades:banghead:.It makes the authorities appear to be doing something about road safety.My wife is jumping through the hoops at the moment in anticipation of buying her Ryker and will have learnt to ride the 125 Honda road bike supplied at the course to prove she is worthy.What the hell learning to ride this has to do with jumping on a Ryker is beyond both of us:banghead:.
Can Am have lobbied govt's since day one with next to zero success,can you imagine the sales impediment this must be having:rolleyes:

[WisconsinDavid]

Reading through the comments in this thread is a bit of like trying to discern a crystal ball regarding BRP and Spyder's path forward. If the Ryker is accepted by the young crowd it is geared toward, perhaps the brand will grow as, loyal to the brand, they move up to a more substantial machine at some point in the future. However, if the Ryker comes at the cost of pressure that results in more closed dealerships... it may be a very bad spiral setting itself up. I am fortunate with my location currently, as there are two dealerships very close to me. If they were to disappear, however, I would rethink owning this product ... especially with it being highly technical and requiring dealer equipment/servicing for so many procedures. So... color me cautiously optimistic?

[Sarge707]

Reading through the comments in this thread is a bit of like trying to discern a crystal ball regarding BRP and Spyder's path forward. If the Ryker is accepted by the young crowd it is geared toward, perhaps the brand will grow as, loyal to the brand, they move up to a more substantial machine at some point in the future. However, if the Ryker comes at the cost of pressure that results in more closed dealerships... it may be a very bad spiral setting itself up. I am fortunate with my location currently, as there are two dealerships very close to me. If they were to disappear, however, I would rethink owning this product ... especially with it being highly technical and requiring dealer equipment/servicing for so many procedures. So... color me cautiously optimistic?

The Normal Spyder at the Non-Discounted Prices of 2019 was NOT selling Big- My dealer was down to ordering only a couple Spyders because they were NOT selling- The Ryker is meant to stir interest in the younger (Jet Ski- Ski-Doo) Crowd because they pay as Much for a Jet-ski or Ski-doo they use One season a Year and the Ryker can be used a Lot More of the year? So NOW we know we have overpaid for Spyders for years and Its all about to change with the Ryker !!! Can't wait for mine to arrive so I can Take the thing apart and put it back together again like my Ole M-16 Rifle!:yes:

[KID Ryker]

The Ryker looks to be a winner for Can Am with all the positive reviews. I like the shaft drive, single swing arm, and slick looking rear wheel. People are saying it would not be good for touring. I guess that remains to be seen. :thumbup:
My vote would be yes for it being a good bike to tourer on. Mileage would be my question. On the 900cc.

[KID Ryker]

The Rykers are a breath of fresh air. Most all BRP techs know the 900 and 600 very well and the thing can be taken apart by virtually anyone. Oil change-Less oil- are super easy and No DPS or other stuff to go wrong-No Belt tension-Sprockets to fail-Easy rear tire change I bet anyone can do. Is it for everyone-NO- I will keep my F3 till i'm sure it meets All my needs and then the F3 will be History and the $$ will go toward Future Elderly expenses?
I bet Half the Rykers are bought by current Spyder owners?:yikes::thumbup::thumbup:

[Bob Denman]

I'm doing fine, Bob! The Ryker looks quite intriguing. I've been lurking here occasionally.

It could be just what you need? :thumbup:
Don't be a stranger: stick around this time!