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Nik
09-10-2018, 04:47 PM
I see the ryker is marketed to do a little off pavement....are we not suppose to be doing that with our F3s?? I ride dirt and gravel with no issues. Just wondering.

Bob Denman
09-10-2018, 04:54 PM
...Very little: the ground clearance is still less than 4.5"

AY4B
09-10-2018, 04:59 PM
...Very little: the ground clearance is still less than 4.5"

With decent tires and shocks it could ryde higher. BRP is depending on its costumers to make it their own.

DonFG
09-10-2018, 05:00 PM
I'm waiting to see BRP do some flat tracking with the Ryker.

Rob Rodriguez
09-10-2018, 05:22 PM
I see the ryker is marketed to do a little off pavement....are we not suppose to be doing that with our F3s?? I ride dirt and gravel with no issues. Just wondering.

I do the same with my RS. Only thing I see that makes the Ryker more dirt road friendly is the shaft drive. Lots of people here are dirt road paranoid but I don't understand it.

Bob Denman
09-10-2018, 05:22 PM
If you want to go Off-Road: it's time to get serious about the problem!

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AY4B
09-10-2018, 05:42 PM
I think it would be great with a belly mower, looks like a mower to me.

asp125
09-10-2018, 06:48 PM
Off-road is a misnomer, more likely a "soft-roader". I think the lack of ground clearance will limit it to gravel driveways and well traveled packed dirt roads. Plus I doubt I will see these in Moab anytime soon. 3 wheels are a distinct disadvantage on a jeep trail, the front two will be down in the ruts, the rear will be up on the center berm.

dondje
09-11-2018, 08:08 AM
Off-road is a misnomer, more likely a "soft-roader". I think the lack of ground clearance will limit it to gravel driveways and well traveled packed dirt roads. Plus I doubt I will see these in Moab anytime soon. 3 wheels are a distinct disadvantage on a jeep trail, the front two will be down in the ruts, the rear will be up on the center berm.
In addition, a single wide tire (low
PSI at contact patch) pushing 2 tires and a lot of front weight is not going far in limited traction scenarios - sand, gravel, mud, etc. Have to add front wheel drive to make off roading and rally possible. Make it 3 wheel drive and it might work. But still issue described above. Have that problem w/my slightly rutted 900ft. driveway that could use a grading.

Regards,

Don

Bob Denman
09-11-2018, 08:20 AM
It doesn't sound like you need a bike: you only need a bulldozer! :D

Highwayman2013
09-11-2018, 08:41 AM
I think it would be great with a belly mower, looks like a mower to me.
That was said about the F3 too.

Bob Denman
09-11-2018, 08:48 AM
I recall somebody saying that they were going to paint theirs "John Deere Green". :D

Navvet
09-11-2018, 12:38 PM
I do the same with my RS. Only thing I see that makes the Ryker more dirt road friendly is the shaft drive. Lots of people here are dirt road paranoid but I don't understand it.

+1 on the shaft drive. I live at the back end of a mile and a half rugged gravel road and live in fear of getting a stone in the belt.

The only thing that would make our F3Ltd better would be a shaft drive.

Navydad
09-11-2018, 07:21 PM
With just over 4 inches of clearance and a three wheeled track this thing is as off road ready as my grandpa's Buick LeSabre. It's a sales pitch. The hottest selling bikes right now are the so called "adventure" bikes so BRP decided to toss a bit of the adventure into the description for this bike. But then like 90% of the adventure bikes the most off road these will see is a gravel driveway.

vondalyn
09-12-2018, 06:17 PM
I think the biggest concern for current spyders off pavement is getting a rock in the belt and also the clearance. I regularly go up old fall river road in Rocky Mountain National Park during the summer months and at the beginning of the season, that's no problem but towards the end some of the ruts on the switchbacks cause concern and leave me happy I have the bump-skid in place.

The video clips of the Rykers have shown them drifting (which I've also done both off-road and sometimes unintentionally on the winter gravel covered paved roads around here). I'm thinking this might be one of the bigger draws for the demographics they're targeting. Maybe we'll see one or more of these in some future Fast and Furious movie :)

Nik
09-12-2018, 09:09 PM
I think the biggest concern for current spyders off pavement is getting a rock in the belt and also the clearance. I regularly go up old fall river road in Rocky Mountain National Park during the summer months and at the beginning of the season, that's no problem but towards the end some of the ruts on the switchbacks cause concern and leave me happy I have the bump-skid in place.

The video clips of the Rykers have shown them drifting (which I've also done both off-road and sometimes unintentionally on the winter gravel covered paved roads around here). I'm thinking this might be one of the bigger draws for the demographics they're targeting. Maybe we'll see one or more of these in some future Fast and Furious movie :)

Where did you get your bump skid? I may need one!

vondalyn
09-13-2018, 11:05 AM
Where did you get your bump skid? I may need one!

SpyderPops! If the Ryker is anything like the F3, don't expect aftermarket products to be available right away.

vondalyn
09-13-2018, 11:20 AM
I wonder how the Ryker will handle those. After the 2013 floods here in my area in Colorado, most of the canyons that I drive regularly were washed out in places and underwent years of repairs, in fact some are still being worked on 5 years later. The first repairs were to get the roads open again and that meant getting gravel roadbase in place just so vehicles could get up into the mountains. I regularly drove my RT and then F3 on these roads and besides the concern of getting a rock in the belt (which thankfully never happened), was dealing with a super-soft base after they added more roadbase -- there were a couple of times that the flaggers (who knew me by then) would warn me that they'd just laid down a new layer and it was super soft and I might get stuck. Not good when it's a one-lane road with a lead-vehicle leading a train of other vehicles heading up. I ended up being fine with that as long as we kept moving -- if we'd ended up having to stop, I'm not so sure I could have gotten going again because a single back wheel pushing two was difficult. I also had a rooster tail of road base behind me so the vehicle behind me was not happy and had to back way off. The second issue was washboards and/or ruts -- with 3 wheels, it's EXTREMELY difficult to find that sweet track that doesn't really jar the shocks/your back.

I'll be curious to hear about the "real world" experience on these. I have no interest in getting on since I'm still in love with my F3S, but they seem like a fantastic addition to the BRP lineup and should bring in new riders who just can't afford a Spyder. I run into a lot of younger guys who really like my F3 but get discouraged when they hear pricing. I'm going to be happy to mention another option to them next time.

asp125
09-13-2018, 05:08 PM
How would you fit three wheels into a two wheeled rut? Fronts in each rut and rear on the middle berm? Fronts on either berm and the middle tire in the rut? Or maybe just stay off unpaved roads altogether.

vondalyn
09-13-2018, 05:22 PM
How would you fit three wheels into a two wheeled rut? Fronts in each rut and rear on the middle berm? Fronts on either berm and the middle tire in the rut? Or maybe just stay off unpaved roads altogether.

I drive with the 2 wheels in the ruts and the back tire on the grass, but I go slow because there are often hazards hiding in the grass. We have similar issues on our gravel/dirt back roads with wooden bridges where the "tire tracks" have extra boards on them to give more support and the middle track doesn't so when you drive the spyder across it, you have the back tire drop down into a groove and then back up when you get off the bridge. Definitely a bit unnerving the first time you navigate each bridge.

Peter Aawen
09-13-2018, 05:58 PM
We have a lot of tracks here in Aus with that centre hump shown in your pic asp125, and unless the hump is massively high, it's usually not too hard to ryde my Spyder on them! Unlike many, I don't avoid dirt or gravel on my Spyder, & neither do I avoid tracks like those you show (unless the hump in the middle is waaayyy too high, but few are, cos most cars tend to 'shave them down' enough for me anyway! ;) ) altho I have replaced the placcy undertray that the factory fits, not with a bumpskid tho, they are fairly thick & project beyond the leading edges of the tupperware, & in some circumstance (that we do tend to see here reasonably often) will work to reduce the RT's already fairly low approach angle, so I went for a locally available alloy skid plate instead (from the same bloke who makes the replacement billet windscreen arms, Noboot. :2thumbs: ) The alloy skid plate fits neatly under the tupperware & protects the entire underside of the frunk & the leading edge of the cross member behind that, all without compromising the approach angle of the Spyder at all. :ohyea:

Anyhoo, getting back to wheel placement.... The width of the front wheel track on my RT is a little less than that of most cars, so generally, if I line the inside of one front wheel up with one inside edge of the hump, my rear tire will track just on the other side of the hump, leaving the other front wheel to track on the other side of that wheel track, ie, just inside the outer edge of the same wheel track that the rear wheel is running in hard up against the edge of the hump. :clap:

So all it takes is a steady hand on the tiller & lining things up properly - you can even make that 'lining up' bit easier AND avoid the back jarring bumps that potholes can give you by standing up on the pegs/floorboards, which is something I can fairly readily do on my RT, but which may possibly be not quite so easy on an F3/Ryker due to the 'feet forward/sit on your tailbone/giving birth' ryding position! :shocked: But since Lamonster already makes a '3rd peg' for the F3's that you can use to stand up on, I think there might be a place in the future for something similar to go on the Rykers too! :thumbup: Bit harder to do, maybe, but where there's a requirement.... :rolleyes:

Oh, and so far I've managed to travel about 50k miles on my Spyder, with a fair bit of chip seal, gravel, & humped wheel track ryding included in that distance too, all without any issues with the belt! :thumbup:

seaweed
09-13-2018, 06:09 PM
I think the biggest concern for current spyders off pavement is getting a rock in the belt and also the clearance. I regularly go up old fall river road in Rocky Mountain National Park during the summer months and at the beginning of the season, that's no problem but towards the end some of the ruts on the switchbacks cause concern and leave me happy I have the bump-skid in place.

The video clips of the Rykers have shown them drifting (which I've also done both off-road and sometimes unintentionally on the winter gravel covered paved roads around here). I'm thinking this might be one of the bigger draws for the demographics they're targeting. Maybe we'll see one or more of these in some future Fast and Furious movie :)

I do not think that I would go up the Fall River Road on my RT.:yikes:

asp125
09-13-2018, 07:53 PM
OK, so the Rally edition allows for loose surfaces. Wonder if that also means SNOW. One thing that I hate about the current Spyders is that the nanny basically makes snow riding an exercise in frustration. Curious if a set of snow tires on a Ryker would extend the riding season into winter, when air temps are bearable but there is snow/slush on the pavement.

Fire34
09-14-2018, 07:33 AM
Made the $30,000 spyders shaft drive? I was jst wondering that when I saw the specs on it, Thanks guys

Dave

vondalyn
09-14-2018, 08:31 AM
I do not think that I would go up the Fall River Road on my RT.:yikes:
You're close to me -- come with me one of these days and I'll lead the way.

Rob Rodriguez
09-14-2018, 08:39 AM
I've driven over Fall River road in a car. That is scarry as hell :) Just went over the paved Rocky Mountain Park road a couple weeks ago. Windy, VERY windy that day.

Devious56
09-14-2018, 08:49 AM
I see the ryker is marketed to do a little off pavement....are we not suppose to be doing that with our F3s?? I ride dirt and gravel with no issues. Just wondering.


My feelings exactly. I tend to ride my RT where eer I want to go. I live on a dirt and gravel road, about 1/2 mile long, and didn't realize that I shouldn't be riding it there. I also live out in the country, so many of our toads are dirt or sand. 20,000 miles so far with no problems.

vondalyn
09-14-2018, 09:05 AM
I've driven over Fall River road in a car. That is scarry as hell :) Just went over the paved Rocky Mountain Park road a couple weeks ago. Windy, VERY windy that day.

it's nearly always windy up top and there's a section that we call "the meat locker" because the winds coming up out of the valley with the glaciers is super cold. It's still one of the most beautiful places on earth and I go up there a lot. Easy for me since I live so close and get off work usually around 3, so I can go after work when it's less crowded.

Rob Rodriguez
09-14-2018, 09:17 AM
it's nearly always windy up top and there's a section that we call "the meat locker" because the winds coming up out of the valley with the glaciers is super cold. It's still one of the most beautiful places on earth and I go up there a lot. Easy for me since I live so close and get off work usually around 3, so I can go after work when it's less crowded.

Yes, there is some road construction in the "meat locker" area when we were there I think. Had to wait about 10 minutes.......it was cold. I agree one of the most beautiful places anywhere. Love to go there. I've always wanted to live in Estes Park.

PMK
09-14-2018, 09:17 AM
Waiting to see them do a jump on the Ryker. Guessing it will ressemble the Cadillac ranch style upon landing.

Seriously, whos kidding who. Dirt road worthy yes, dirt worthy out of the box. Nope, not even close.

PMK
09-14-2018, 09:43 AM
Retro paint and graphics schemes for the Ryker Adventure trike.

asp125
09-14-2018, 10:20 AM
Retro paint and graphics schemes for the Ryker Adventure trike.

Actually they already do. It's called Heritage White
https://can-am.brp.com/content/dam/canam-spyder/Global/MY2019/Images/Lineup/Recreational/AR/feature/SPY_0022_Web_-4A4A5496_ModelsProjectS-AR_Photo_Gallery_1322x600_sRGB.jpg/jcr:content/renditions/cq5dam.web.1322.1322.jpeg

seaweed
09-14-2018, 12:59 PM
You're close to me -- come with me one of these days and I'll lead the way.
I have been up that road many times in various vehicles but a RT Spyder. Hmmmmm.

vondalyn
09-14-2018, 01:18 PM
I have been up that road many times in various vehicles but a RT Spyder. Hmmmmm.

I did it on my RT for the 2 years that I owned it.

Geep
09-27-2018, 11:42 PM
What about that exposed radiator, the first time two Rykers ride on a gravel road, one will have a hole in the rad.....?

vondalyn
09-28-2018, 03:10 PM
On the longer BRP vid (different thread here on the Ryker forum), it looked like there was extra protection for the Rally edition. Other than that, you're probably on your own. When my hubby and I ride together on dirt/gravel roads he hangs way back because I'm usually leading and I do kick up rocks.

ARtraveler
09-28-2018, 03:12 PM
I would take it with a grain of salt. Its your Ryker, its your money. :yes::yes:

old Timer
09-29-2018, 09:49 AM
The after market is full of screens for the radiators on liquid cooled Motorcycles, ATV's and Side by Sides.

Of course............who likes to personalize their motorized toy. :thumbup:

BryanSD
09-29-2018, 10:35 AM
Glad to hear that the experience hasn't been all bad riding a RT or F3 on gravel roads. I've been a little over-protective by avoiding the roads given that the Spyder's are belt driven.

Triumphcycleman
09-29-2018, 04:16 PM
I think the majority are correct the offroad means dirt road, fire road, etc.. not really offroad. That said, the CVT is definitely better in this environment than either the SE or SM for a number of reasons, not the least of which is less sensors to contaminate. The problems I have seen with excessive dirt and Spyders are TCM failures, VSS failures, bent ABS sensor wheels, failed ABS sensors, overheating power steering sensors, and stones in the belt. The stone eventually pokes a hole in the belt and then we change them to calm the fear of an impending failure.
From a technical standpoint, the Ryker really is much simpler. There just is a whole lot less going on electronically. That means a whole lot less to connect. Many of the issues which occur in a Spyder are either electrical/sensor or pure connectivity (plug) issues. Less is better in a rough environment. As proof, compare an ATV electronic diagram to a Spyder.



I see the ryker is marketed to do a little off pavement....are we not suppose to be doing that with our F3s?? I ride dirt and gravel with no issues. Just wondering.

Gwolf
05-13-2019, 01:23 PM
If the belt is the concern for riding dirt or rocky roads it should not be. I have been living on a limerock surface road for 40 years or more. Have to ride a mile going out and a mile coming back in. When I rode chain drive bikes, the mud and grit would eat the chains and sprockets up. I would change the back tire at about 8,000 miles and change the chain and sprockets at the same time.

About 2001 I bought a Harley Sprotster with belt drive. Rode it for about 18 years on the limerock road with the same conditions that ate the chains up. The belts would last at least 50,000 miles. I was not using a belt guard at all. The limerock road has small stones and pieces of shell mixed in and any time they grade the roads, the motorgrader rakes up piles of the small stones and shells into the middle of the road. Belts last just as long on the limerock as some of my friends who never went off the asphalt. I am now riding the F3-S on the same limerock road and feel confident the belt will be good for at least 50,000.

Little note - Where I live is warm and I can ride 365 days a year. I put over 300,000 miles on the old Sportster with 2 top end rebuilds. The belts all lasted at least 50,000 miles. The limerock road is fairly flat and not much chance of bottoming out or dragging except while the grader is working. I can get around that problem. The rocks and shells just do not cause any problems with the belt drive.

This is part of the road to my place.........Hard packed limerock, nasty when wet, but fairly smooth and shallow (most of the time) potholes.

http://www.tanwater.com/pics/shadylanes009.jpg

http://www.tanwater.com/pics/shadtlanes235.jpg

McRuss
05-13-2019, 10:33 PM
It is what it is.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCZhhLu_-VRi4SWMzTjuRSsA

Worst thing about riding off highway is CLEANING it! Lots of little crooks and crannies and the textured plastic likes to hold on to the dirt!