So it's called the Ryker!

[Culpjp]

A shaft drive and automatic transmission. I'll take the smaller motors, looks like a stripped down F3 with no Frunk storage space.
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[Highwayman2013]

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Looks cool.

[Bob Denman]

Any more details than that?:dontknow:

[Bob Denman]

What's under the bodywork for an engine?

[delkhouri]

Any more details than that?:dontknow:

Lots of details on the site but here are some notables

Shaft Drive with cvt

600cc ACE in-line two cylinder starting at $8499 - 47hp 35torque
900cc ACE in-line three cylinder starting at $9999 - 77hp 56 torque
Rally edition (900cc ACE) starting at $10999 -

https://can-am.brp.com/on-road/ryker/recreational.html

[Culpjp]

Go to the Can Am website they have all the details up now. You have two engine choices a 600 or 900 Rotax. Looks like they want to to be able to take it off road. Hand guards, splash guards, tires with a more off road tread.

[bhern]

A shaft drive and automatic transmission. I'll take the smaller motors, looks like a stripped down F3 with no Frunk storage space.


It's about a foot shorter in length than the F3, and the seat is about 3 inches lower.

[Woodaddict]

this will get even more riders into 3 wheels Y version

[delkhouri]

this will get even more riders into 3 wheels Y version

I agree, but.......

It seems a no brainer to me to spend the extra $1500 on the 900cc ace vs the 600cc ace.

[ARtraveler]

My first impression: I LIKE IT.

Had to do a bunch of searching but the Can Am site has a build it section that actually works. :bowdown::bowdown:

Three versions available: Rally, 600 cc, 900 cc. You can buy the 600 for $8499.

A lot of color combos available. Some actually "new." The color choices are panels that they charge extra for.

A "passenger" seat can be purchased. Otherwise, It's made for one up driving.

This should rev up the market for BRP and get more people interested. I must compliment BRP. :bowdown::bowdown:

They have added some new colors and offer "dark" and "chrome" versions for the RT. The base model is white only. I like the phoenix orange. :yes:

[BryanSD]

My first impression: I LIKE IT.

I also checked the "Spyder" side of the ad. They ONLY show F3--There are some new colors. Conspicuously--I did not see any information about the RT.

HAVE THEY DISCONTINUED THE RT????????? I did predict that about a year ago. Hope I was wrong.

The RTs are there (including some new colors)...under Touring. https://can-am.brp.com/on-road/spyder/touring.html

[delkhouri]

I also checked the "Spyder" side of the ad. They ONLY show F3--There are some new colors. Conspicuously--I did not see any information about the RT.

HAVE THEY DISCONTINUED THE RT????????? I did predict that about a year ago. Hope I was wrong.

on the photo for new colors for 2019 there are three f3 models and a RT... I am thinking it's staying around.

[Flamewinger]

They added a new color to the RT's and check out the wheels.

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[Rob Rodriguez]

This is the closest "spyder" to a snowmobile yet. The engine and transmission is pulled directly from the sleds and it wouldn't surprise me if their configuration isn't identical to the sleds. i question how well the cvt belt will hold up to road use. 2-3K miles on a sled belt and its time for a replacement. I also question the 80 hp 900 being able to provide satisfying power. The site says better power to wieght ratio but the Ryker is 800 lbs.

Lots of questions left to answer. I do like it, will need to ride one to know if I would buy one.

My prediction. This is the end of the F3. Next year, maybe the year after the F3 will be replaced with Ryker with 147hp 900 ace turbo with shaft drive, more storage and a better 2up option. I bet it keeps the CVT as well.

[Fat Baxter]

Those tires don't look like the stock Kendas we're used to seeing. Maybe BRP is using a new OEM brand? :pray:

[BryanSD]

A decked out Ryker Rally 900 ACE gets me close to $14,500 while a lower end F3 or F3-S can be had for $15,000-$20,000 so it's going to come down to the advantages/disadvantages of the two. Personally, I like the 1330 on the F3, but the idea that the Ryker can go on gravel roads intrigues me. Should be some interesting comparisons ahead!

[Fat Baxter]

This is the closest "spyder" to a snowmobile yet. The engine and transmission is pulled directly from the sleds and it wouldn't surprise me if their configuration isn't identical to the sleds. i question how well the cvt belt will hold up to road use. 2-3K miles on a sled belt and its time for a replacement.

Do you have any intel on how that CVT tranny holds up in the snowmobiles? I know in the auto world, some brands initially had big problems with reliability of their CVTs. And you can rack up a lot more miles on a bike than a snowmobile, so durability may be a challenge.

[ARtraveler]

Thanks folks for the update on the RT. I did not find that section when I looked.

Yes, the RT is still here and I do like that orange color. :bowdown::bowdown:

[johnsimion]

Doggone if I see any footpegs in any of the pictures of this thing. On the BRP Spyder/Ryker website, you see a picture of this thing and there is a brake pedal that just seems to be out there all by itself. I suppose it's just not visible but still must be awfully small not to show up at all.

Overall this looks like a neat product at a good price, and it's really cool that it has a shaft drive, but it sure is ugly to my eyes. You add the saddlebags and a rear seat to it and it's still ugly. Looks like a Japanese robot. Same is true of the Yamaha Nikken. People buy stuff they are attracted to. I don't predict either this or the Nikken to be huge successes for that reason alone.

[Rob Rodriguez]

The CVT itself on sleds is bullet proof. You have a primary and secondary clutch with a belt between them. The belt wears and needs to be replaced. I say this having ridden no more than 10K miles on a single sled. Belts on sleds need replacement when they blow or typically every 2-3K miles. They are simple to change and cost about $120. I too question how a CVT will hold up on bike over 20, 30, 40K miles? Heat on a CVT is the enemy.

Also, it could cause some issues when needing "instant" power. Its not like you can drop it down a gear and punch it like the semi auto or punch the gas pedal in your car and it drops a gear and accelerates faster. CVT's don't work like that. That said BRP doeshave some of the best CVT clutch setups for sleds.

Also, recomnded oil changes on the 900 ACE in the sleds is 3000 miles. I'd hate to think I'm doing and oil change and belt replacement every 3000 miles.

[MRH]

I think that they really did a great job, at least at first glance. Rather than simply stripping it down as much as possible to hit the lower price point, they created a new category and gave it its own advantages. These might also be great to rent, and they could also be good for groups (and be more fun that most ATV's, depending on the terrain).

I can't wait to test one out, although I don't have room to own two and I'm too much in the city to take advantage of the off-road capabilities.

Maybe the dealerships would also keep one or two around as loaners? Who knows.

[IdahoMtnSpyder]

Do you have any intel on how that CVT tranny holds up in the snowmobiles? I know in the auto world, some brands initially had big problems with reliability of their CVTs. And you can rack up a lot more miles on a bike than a snowmobile, so durability may be a challenge.
Polaris has been using them for years in the ATVs and UTVs. With the constant speed ratio changes an ATV goes through I'd say they've been holding up pretty well. Spyder will be a lot less abusive on them, I think.

[Firefly]

Single swingarm with shaft drive--- :thumbup:

Choices of 600 cc or 900 cc ---- :thumbup:

CVT tranny------ :sour:

How it looks ------:barf:

[Firefly]

A decked out Ryker Rally 900 ACE gets me close to $14,500 while a lower end F3 or F3-S can be had for $15,000-$20,000 so it's going to come down to the advantages/disadvantages of the two. Personally, I like the 1330 on the F3, but the idea that the Ryker can go on gravel roads intrigues me. Should be some interesting comparisons ahead!

You can find 2017 base model F3's brand new for under 10K right now......

[Bfromla]

Doggone if I see any footpegs in any of the pictures of this thing. On the BRP Spyder/Ryker website, you see a picture of this thing and there is a brake pedal that just seems to be out there all by itself. I suppose it's just not visible but still must be awfully small not to show up at all.

. :thumbup: 165596 Can just barely see a hint of nothing more than a small foot peg. Found 2 vids on YouTube after the one on BRP failed repeatedly.
https://youtu.be/dbrftctNfBE
:( I see comfort will be an issue, not a touring set up , more urban & with the small storage maybe they think a commuter :dontknow::popcorn: Some concern the tool less U-fit adjustments might vibrate loose with too much distance? BUT :ohyea::yes::popcorn: looks like they FIXED the vibration issues :roflblack::roflblack::roflblack:& gravel roads with the drive shaft :2thumbs:. It's definitely not going to trailer capable with the one arm on rear. :( & the little color panels might turn out to be very easy to swap:dontknow: so you can try a different color combo more often? Not sure about the bar end mirrors, some tactics against aftermarket Farkles? Admittedlyill give it a test ryde, but not much else for consideration:rolleyes: enjoying what I have too much to step that far down.

[AY4B]

Where this bike will succeed is in the 74000 ways to upgrade it. Stripped down version to get you started and you start adding the farkles. Lamonster will be a busy man!

[AY4B]

16 inch tires all around with one lug nut.
https://www.facebook.com/kevin.copeland.376/videos/1903756629670988/UzpfSTEwMDAwMDk5ODQyODMxNjoxOTQ1NDA3NTQ1NTAyNTA3/

[PistonBlown]

I'll be taking a serious look at the Rally model when it finally gets over here (not holdng by breath). Shame its an auto but to finally get some proper offroad ability will be worth it

...but why a low seat and foot forward again!!! When have you ever seen a foot forward adventure bike? I assume its a case of style over function. Hopefully the seat can be raised somehow as the pegs can be moved back.

Here you go (for those with facebook as the video is hosted there):
https://www.facebook.com/CanAmOnRoad/videos/689627558103619/UzpfSTEwMDAwMzQwNDgxMDgzMzoxNzUyNTgyMjAxNTMxOTIz/

[SpyderSkeets]

Looks kinda cool, but I don't think that I will ever buy one simply because of the stupid name.
"Hey, that looks cool, what is that?"
"Well, that's my new Can Am Ryker" ugggh

[tibadoe]

I kind of like it. Would need more info on all the details.

[old Timer]

Can not wait to try it out. Can buy two for the price of any number of Motorcycles. a CVT auto tranny is great. Our Polaris 500 HO ATV had over 12,000 miles on it when we traded it in still with its original belt....and ran perfectly. Lots of ATV's and UTV's with belt CVT's at 80 to well over 100HP that work well for lots of miles.

Drive shaft, a big time plus. The two engines available are well sorted out.

My wife and I are "Half a glass full" type of people. Life is a much greater adventure with a positive outlook. :thumbup: :thumbup:

[Jarred]

Does anyone know if BRP Connect is on the ‘19’s? Website says integrated dash, apps etc but doesn’t say “BRP Connect. I really hope they don’t scrap that.

And they say it’s extremely customizable, and we can lease them. I think that leasing would kill the customization claim. Who would spend money on aftermarket parts if they don’t own it?

[Little Blue]

I wonder what the name means? Sometimes New things have a good start. I think I will enjoy my RTL and read the reviews a year from now. :thumbup:

[scooterexpress]

i had a Honda silverwing before the spyder it was a 600 cvt was extremely smooth ryde only thing I didn't like was there was no neutral just gas and go stop. simple concept of all mopeds.

[delkhouri]

You can find 2017 base model F3's brand new for under 10K right now......

Where?

[Bob Denman]

Looks kinda cool, but I don't think that I will ever buy one simply because of the stupid name.
"Hey, that looks cool, what is that?"
"Well, that's my new Can Am Ryker" ugggh

But you can call him "Commander"

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[Bob Denman]

While I'm not wild about the looks... :dontknow:
It's a bike worth investigating a bit further! :clap::2thumbs:

[IWN2RYD]

Great concept. Frankly, the second thought I had was that they should have done this before the F3 and today they should be announcing the F3. As this is clearly an entry level, get more people on a Spyder ryde. And boy does it look simple and easy to work on. That makes it attractive to a larger crowd.

I think this will sell. Heck, I am pretty sure we will get one just for one up fun. This is no different to me than taking the family RTS or the weekend warrior Ryker in to town.

That said, I am concerned on the comfort of the ryde. The rear shock and steering specifically.

Lastly... The Ryker might be go-cart or four wheeler on the street kind of fun, but legal :roflblack:


I just did a quick build on the $8500 unit. It chose the 900cc for me, I never could find how to change it... $12,843.84

Limited Midnight Red panels
Comfort Driver Seat
Sport Windsheild
LINQ Top Case & Max Mount
GPS Holder kit
Outdoor cover
Fox Front and Rear shocks
Aluminum Hand Guards
Splash Gaurds
Hand Guard lighting
Hand Guards and crossbar
SHAD Hard Saddle bag & Saddlebag Rack
Knee Pads
A-Arm Protectors

[ekfraz]

The only thing that stands out is the off road capabilities.

[spydermyke990]

Do you have any intel on how that CVT tranny holds up in the snowmobiles? I know in the auto world, some brands initially had big problems with reliability of their CVTs. And you can rack up a lot more miles on a bike than a snowmobile, so durability may be a challenge.

I owned a renegade 800x for a few years before I got my mc license and traded it for my current Spyder sts. All of can am’s 4x4 atv’s have a cvt system and from my experience it’s very rugged. Basically it’ll be the 900 or 600 ave motors with the cvt system (and duct work) from the ATVs. My renegade was 600lbs and the 800 v twin cranked out 72hp, with the 4wd system and it was a total rocket, I had no problem lighting up all 4 wheels or pointing the front end up. The rally version it the Ryker puts out 77hp at roughly the same weight so it’ll be more than enough. The turbo 900 motor they use in the x3 buggies I think puts out 154 hp so if the decide to put that into the Ryker in the future it might be a bit too much for that single rear wheel.

[Firefly]

Where?

Check dealer specials.. mine had 2017 base models for $9,700. Too good of a deal to pass up....:thumbup:.

[Firefly]

The only thing that stands out is the off road capabilities.

I don't see them doing anything 'off-road' in the videos with it that I haven't done with my Spyder(s). Many worry too much about the belt and gravel roads. On my 2008 GS I used to fishtale up and down gravel and dirt roads all the time... never had a belt issue in the 75,000+ miles I put on it....

And with such low HP and torque it's not going to tear up the trails....

[Big F]

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Looks cool.

single seater.. no place for significant other to ride??????????? NO THANKS!
BIG F

[Firefly]

But you can call him "Commander"

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Number one, your new namesake trike looks like a number two...…:shocked:

[Culpjp]

The only thing that stands out is the off road capabilities.

I don't know about the off road capabilities. I think they just mean gravel roads, which can be a problem for the current models. I don't see them intending these to be ridden on a trail. Doesn't mean people won't try though.

[Firefly]

Look at the engine specs:


600cc ACE in-line two cylinder starting at $8499 - 47hp 35torque
900cc ACE in-line three cylinder starting at $9999 - 77hp 56 torque

Not much oomph going on there...…especially with a CVT where you can't drop a gear when passing, etc.

Such low torque won't bode well for off-roading.....

[Bob Denman]

Hi Dan!
You have to remember that this bike wasn't "Built for the Blackwater..."
It was built more for the dirt road, the poorly maintained road, and the sort of off-road trail that you might take your Grandma on...:thumbup:

[DJFaninTN]

I think it will have mass appeal worldwide. Especially in Europe.

[wyliec]

Overall this looks like a neat product at a good price, and it's really cool that it has a shaft drive, but it sure is ugly to my eyes. You add the saddlebags and a rear seat to it and it's still ugly. Looks like a Japanese robot. Same is true of the Yamaha Nikken. People buy stuff they are attracted to. I don't predict either this or the Nikken to be huge successes for that reason alone.


How does the saying go? Beauty is in the eye of the beer holder.

[Culpjp]

single seater.. no place for significant other to ride??????????? NO THANKS!
BIG F

That picture is of the one with the passenger seat and backrest installed. Lol

[C. Lee]

I like it, I wish they would make my RTL shaft driven. Chris

[davehirst]

I have a Subaru outback as well as a Toyota Tacoma. Both have CVT transmissions and both are capable of dropping a gear to pass. Not sure what you are talking about in reference to this. On both you hear the Tranny shifting and can manually shift via paddle shift on the Subaru.

[Bob Denman]

Shaft drive?
Now that "the tip of the Camel's nose, is inside the tent-flap": who knows where it'll show up next? :dontknow:

[Y-me]

I like that they went to a hub in the rear.
This should make changing and upgrading tyres much easier.

[Bob Denman]

I have a Subaru outback as well as a Toyota Tacoma. Both have CVT transmissions and both are capable of dropping a gear to pass. Not sure what you are talking about in reference to this. On both you hear the Tranny shifting and can manually shift via paddle shift on the Subaru.
Dave,
It's NOTHING like your Suby's CVT. Ski Doo has been using this type of tranny in their snowmobile for over 60 years, and they've got it to the point where it's 100% reliable and smooth. :thumbup:

Automotive CVTs can only wish that they were half as good! nojoke

[IdahoMtnSpyder]

Looks kinda cool, but I don't think that I will ever buy one simply because of the stupid name.
"Hey, that looks cool, what is that?"
"Well, that's my new Can Am Ryker" ugggh

They should call it Guppy! To me that's what it looks like from the side!:roflblack:

[stmike 1800]

Hi Dan!
You have to remember that this bike wasn't "Built for the Blackwater..."
It was built more for the dirt road, the poorly maintained road, and the sort of off-road trail that you might take your Grandma on...:thumbup:

You mean it was built for northern Ontario !!! ( poorly maintained roads )

[Firefly]

I have a Subaru outback as well as a Toyota Tacoma. Both have CVT transmissions and both are capable of dropping a gear to pass. Not sure what you are talking about in reference to this. On both you hear the Tranny shifting and can manually shift via paddle shift on the Subaru.

True CVT's don't have 'gears to drop into'...… The Tacoma is a 'hybrid' CVT as it still has a first gear it uses before the CVT kicks in.
You also have to realize the Tacoma is a torque monster compared to these fugly mopeds:


600cc ACE in-line two cylinder - 47hp 35torque
900cc ACE in-line three cylinder - 77hp 56 torque

[Rob Rodriguez]

I have a Subaru outback as well as a Toyota Tacoma. Both have CVT transmissions and both are capable of dropping a gear to pass. Not sure what you are talking about in reference to this. On both you hear the Tranny shifting and can manually shift via paddle shift on the Subaru.

It's a different animal. There are no gears, very few moving parts in fact. You have a primary clutch and a secondary clutch (basically 2 pulleys that "squeeze" the belt between them). Between those 2 clutches is a belt. As RPMS go up or down the clutches open or close to shift the position of the belt in them. This provides an infinite number of points (gears) in the power range. You never have to shift and you will never over rev the engine (provided the clutches are set up properly) but that also mean if you want a bunch of instant power you can't just drop a gear and punch it. Punching it will make you go faster but in more of a linear fashion (especially with these motors). You could let off the throttle a bit and then punch it but still its more of a linear power build. I can see how quick passing might be difficult with these bikes.

I'll have to ride one to see if it delivers a satisfying amount of power and fun for me. The styling is fine for me. The bare bones nature is fine for me. A test ride will tell me if the engine/CVT deliver enough fun and if the seating position can be adjusted to be a non cruiser comfortable position. As much as I want to buy a new Spyder it looks like I'll be riding the RS for at least another year.

[Firefly]

I like that they went to a hub in the rear.
This should make changing and upgrading tyres much easier.

Yeah.. that, the single swingarm and the shaft drive are the only positives I see about this machine.
You lose a bunch of power using a SHAFT DRIVE, so I wouldn't think it will make it's way into an F3 until they get the engine into the 1800 range.

[Bob Denman]

They've been "testing" this package in the Cammander UTV for years: it's going to work out just fine!
Within of course: the limitations imposed by the parameters for what they perceive the target market is willing to buy... :D

[monkeyboymorton]

Look at the engine specs:


600cc ACE in-line two cylinder starting at $8499 - 47hp 35torque
900cc ACE in-line three cylinder starting at $9999 - 77hp 56 torque

Not much oomph going on there...…especially with a CVT where you can't drop a gear when passing, etc.

Such low torque won't bode well for off-roading.....





Power to weight ratio on the 900 is actually nearly the same as an F3:

410KG / 115HP = 280 HP per tonne
280KG / 77HP = 275 HP per tonne

So it wil be pretty rapid up to 70MPH, especially with the CVT. Imagine it will then struggle beyond 70.

Looks fun to me - my wife wants one and with the easily adjusted UFIT I'll be able to ride it too

[Floridian2017]

Check dealer specials.. mine had 2017 base models for $9,700. Too good of a deal to pass up....:thumbup:.

Where did you get that deal? I have a friend looking to buy one.

[Highwayman2013]

Under the skin.

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[Highwayman2013]

Yeah.. that, the single swingarm and the shaft drive are the only positives I see about this machine.
You lose a bunch of power using a swingarm, so I wouldn't think it will make it's way into an F3 until they get the engine into the 1800 range.

I'm not sure how you lose power with a swing arm. All the current spyders have swing arms.

[drhunt204]

I like the look going by limited viewing of one picture. I praise can am for introducing new models and attempting to widen the appeal of spyders to younger generations to help all of us. :riding:

[owcow]

So who wants to be the first to take one to Deadhorse up the Dalton Highway or to Tuk on the Dalton. That would be a good gravel test.

[jcthorne]

Dave,
It's NOTHING like your Suby's CVT. Ski Doo has been using this type of tranny in their snowmobile for over 60 years, and they've got it to the point where it's 100% reliable and smooth. :thumbup:

Automotive CVTs can only wish that they were half as good! nojoke


SkiDoo do not have a 100,000 mile life either. 20k is considered OLD. I have concerns with this CVT over the long haul on a road bike.

[ofdave]

You can find 2017 base model F3's brand new for under 10K right now......

can you show us where they can be had?

[Rob Rodriguez]

They've been "testing" this package in the Cammander UTV for years: it's going to work out just fine!
Within of course: the limitations imposed by the parameters for what they perceive the target market is willing to buy... :D

Testing in the sleds too since about 2012. I own a 900 ACE sled for my wife. My buddy has a Commander SxS. The setup works great in those vehicles as long as you're not looking for performance. They are both more utilitarian feeling (to me than) than fun. I'm not knocking the Ryker at all. It has potential and I'd love to ride one. All I can really say for sure is........ the other 2 BRP vehicles I have owned/used with this setup are very reliable. As long as you don't ask or expect too much from them they are fine for getting out and riding.

All that said, drop the 900 ACE Turbo at 147hp (detuned) in one and then you'd have much more of a performance machine. That might be the next logical step for the Ryker product line and in fact maybe the reason they started with the 600 and 900 engines?

I don't understand the ultra low seat height personally. I get it on a 2 wheeled bike. The entry level bikes are geared more toward women and less experienced riders and the lower seat height allows them to get to the ground easier or more comfortably. That's not an issue on a Spyder/Ryker. The only reason I see for the lower seat height in the Spyder/Ryker is to help with the centerfugal force feeling. BRP or the aftermarket needs to offer a kit that allows the rider to raise the seat up and down 1-4". Why would you want a "rally" bike with an ultra low seating position?

I don't understand the rally version either. I could be wrong but the only difference I see between the standard and rally version is the tires (more all season type tread), the wheel style (which I don't like, they came off my Toyota Tundra), the rally mode computer setting and some standard accessories (the hand guards and shell that holds the passenger seat and storage box). There is really nothing about it that makes it any more capable off road from what I can see and you could buy a standard Ryker and just add the options (maybe cheaper) and have the same bike. Unless I'm missing something?

[Rob Rodriguez]

SkiDoo do not have a 100,000 mile life either. 20k is considered OLD. I have concerns with this CVT over the long haul on a road bike.

I would agree with this. The setup is very reliable but not sure on the longevity. 20-30-40K miles seems like a lot for a CVT. I guess the only thing in my mind saying its not a big deal is the fact that you can replace the entire CVT setup for less than $1000

[monkeyboymorton]

I don't understand the rally version either. I could be wrong but the only difference I see between the standard and rally version is the tires (more all season type tread), the wheel style (which I don't like, they came off my Toyota Tundra), the rally mode computer setting and some standard accessories (the hand guards and shell that holds the passenger seat and storage box). There is really nothing about it that makes it any more capable off road from what I can see and you could buy a standard Ryker and just add the options (maybe cheaper) and have the same bike. Unless I'm missing something?

Well exactly, although it does have different adjustable shocks. Mostly marketing I think but every brand does it - you're just not taken in by it.

Every new iphone launch there is a new colour like they've reinvented the wheel. Just buy a case for the older model in whatever colour you want!!

[Bob Denman]

SkiDoo do not have a 100,000 mile life either. 20k is considered OLD. I have concerns with this CVT over the long haul on a road bike.
Belt technologies have improved dramatically in recent years...
And the CVT parts are more than easy to tinker with! :D

But these bikes won't be marketed to the high-mileage riders anyway.

[Firefly]

Where did you get that deal? I have a friend looking to buy one.

Leaders Marine Kalamazoo Michigan.

[Jid]

I am eager to see the performance stats and to find out how much drift mode really disabled the nanny. If the power is sufficient this could be my first Spyder. I almost bought an F3 but didn’t pull the trigger.

Love the idea of a Turbo 900... or of someone unlocking the computer to free up some power.

BTW - I like the look. Agree on the snowmobile qualities.

[Firefly]

can you show us where they can be had?

This was the ad from this summer..... I picked one up and I know I wasn't the only buyer to get this deal.
Leaders Marine in Kalamazoo Michigan...

[Firefly]

I am eager to see the performance stats and to find out how much drift mode really disabled the nanny. If the power is sufficient this could be my first Spyder. I almost bought an F3 but didn’t pull the trigger.

Love the idea of a Turbo 900... or of someone unlocking the computer to free up some power.

BTW - I like the look. Agree on the snowmobile qualities.

The computers can be reflashed to get more power.
Power Commander is coming out with a unit that lets you reflash things yourself.....

[Firefly]

I'm not sure how you lose power with a swing arm. All the current spyders have swing arms.

Correction--- what I meant was the SHAFT DRIVE.....

[Rob Rodriguez]

This was the ad from this summer..... I picked one up and I know I wasn't the only buyer to get this deal.
Leaders Marine in Kalamazoo Michigan...


Hell, wait a year and you can pick up the Ryker for $5-$8K (depending on model) at this pricing :)

[sharp]

I wonder if it has reverse.

[Rob Rodriguez]

I wonder if it has reverse.


My guess is yes. The SxS and Sleds with this setup do. It's called RER and the engine actually spins backward which turns the clutch in the opposite direction. That's how reverse is achieved. The beauty is.......no extra parts for reverse.

[Bob Denman]

I agree... When is the last time you saw a reverse gearbox in a sled: Twenty years ago? :dontknow:

[Bob Denman]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbrftctNfBE

[billybovine]

My guess is yes. The SxS and Sleds with this setup do. It's called RER and the engine actually spins backward which turns the clutch in the opposite direction. That's how reverse is achieved. The beauty is.......no extra parts for reverse.

They do not spin 4 stroke engines backwards for reverse. That is only a 2 stroke thing. It has to be mechanical reverse. Just like all sleds with a 4 stroke engine.

[maxxheadroom]

I know there is a lot of buzz about it right now... but I think it is Fugly... It will be on that list on the web one day about cars and bikes that should have never left the drawing board (as far as looks go). I remember folks laughing and saying how ugly an aftermarket option (I think for a goldwing) that looks a lot like this was. If you want something for off road get something really built for off road... ATV... Just my opinion.

[spyderCodes]

They finally made the elan.

Good on them.

[delkhouri]

I wonder if it has reverse.

the can am website says "reverse available" I don't know if its just an option you can add or if it comes standard on the 900 vs 600 or what.

[delkhouri]

This was the ad from this summer..... I picked one up and I know I wasn't the only buyer to get this deal.
Leaders Marine in Kalamazoo Michigan...

thank you for posting that.... I checked out their website but they don't have anything close to those prices posted... they just say "request a quote".... then again the only '17 they have online is an RTS with savings of $9500 taking the price to $18,999.

[ofdave]

I say, good for BRP.
Entry level, not complicated final drive. A draw back is storage but I bet we'll see aftermarket luggage before the year is over.
And the single sided swingarm looks darn good.

Contrary to opinions expressed above, the CVT will do well as it had done well in many vehicles with 2 or 3 times the horsepower. Our Crosstrek does a good job with a CVT and Subaru saw fit to give it a faux shifting feeling so you feel like you are going through the gears. But you are not. The CVT without the sense or feeling of shifting does well. Comparing it to an ATV or side by side for CVT performance or belt life is not valid. It is a street machine and will seldom, if ever, be treated otherwise. The CVT will do very well. And my opinion is the Ryker will have real reverse as any vehicle with a CVT has, except scooters

Off road for the Ryker means off pavement. True off road won't be possible. Imagine going down a two lane rutted road with each front wheel in a rut and the rear sitting high atop the middle section which are often 6 or more inches above the ruts. Do you really think that's possible? Plus it is still too low for serious off road.

I see a rosy sales future for this new Can Am.

[quasi]

That thing is as ugly as a mud fence!

[spydermyke990]

the can am website says "reverse available" I don't know if its just an option you can add or if it comes standard on the 900 vs 600 or what.
There’s a small lever sticking out of the lhs that you operate with your foot to put it in reverse

[Jid]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbrftctNfBE

Seizure alert!!

that video actually made me ill.

[Navydad]

Do I like it? Yes I do. Do I want one? No I don't. Not my style, but it may be what many are looking for in a ride. Remember, big heavy touring rigs are not exactly flying off the showroom floors and that includes Spyders. This may just be what folks will buy. As far as the drive train holding up for many miles I am sure it will be fine. Most of these will end up in the back of the garage and never have enough miles put on them to wear anything out anyway. Just like most of the Harley's, Goldwings, and SPYDERS that are out there now. I walk more miles in a year than many folks ride and that also includes SPYDERS. I hope they sell every one that they make because a healthy profit margin would be good for their whole lineup.

[johnsimion]

It's a different animal. There are no gears, very few moving parts in fact. You have a primary clutch and a secondary clutch (basically 2 pulleys that "squeeze" the belt between them). Between those 2 clutches is a belt. As RPMS go up or down the clutches open or close to shift the position of the belt in them. This provides an infinite number of points (gears) in the power range. You never have to shift and you will never over rev the engine (provided the clutches are set up properly) but that also mean if you want a bunch of instant power you can't just drop a gear and punch it. Punching it will make you go faster but in more of a linear fashion (especially with these motors). You could let off the throttle a bit and then punch it but still its more of a linear power build. I can see how quick passing might be difficult with these bikes.

I'll have to ride one to see if it delivers a satisfying amount of power and fun for me. The styling is fine for me. The bare bones nature is fine for me. A test ride will tell me if the engine/CVT deliver enough fun and if the seating position can be adjusted to be a non cruiser comfortable position. As much as I want to buy a new Spyder it looks like I'll be riding the RS for at least another year.

I agree, Rob. CVTs aren't very satisfying in cars normally because they will make the engine rev up a long time before the car's speed catches up. In daily driving this probably isn't noticeable but it IS noticeable when doing max acceleration or passing. Hence, car manufacturers now build in "fake gears" into the CVTs that let the transmission hold on specific ratios in order to simulate a normal transmission. For a long time CVTs had a bad reputation for belt failure, but I hear that they are plenty reliable now, at least in cars.

[cheska]

That thing is as ugly as a mud fence!

So was the F-3 to start and now look how many people own them. Plus a new bike with a warranty verse a used bike without
for a new rider is golden. I will be getting one of thes for the wife and if its as much fun as it may be with weight to power ratio
I might even get rid of the RTS. She wants her own bike once again and we only do day trips at our age due to health issues.
Again reasonably priced used bikes are usually the older pre 2014 1300's. Just my 2 cents. Bob

[Culpjp]

The website says that DPS is not available. I wonder how stiff the steering will be?

[billybovine]

The CVT transmission in cars are the same but very different then used in snowmobiles or the Ryker. So the comparisons may, but will very likely not apply.

The cvt car transmission has a steel push belt lubricated in oil. Controlled completely by computer over hydraulics.

The Ryker has a rubber pull belt. It looks like it has a conventional snowmobile type clutch. So I assume it is controlled mechanically by the interactions of springs, ramp weight and angle. Under different rpm and torque loads.

I am also assuming so far. That this that I found on the BRP website is a mistake. If not it is computer controlled.

165599

[ARtraveler]

single seater.. no place for significant other to ride??????????? NO THANKS!
BIG F

There is an optional "suicide" passenger seat with hand grips. I would not put my worst enemy on it. :roflblack::roflblack:

[ARtraveler]

My guess is yes. The SxS and Sleds with this setup do. It's called RER and the engine actually spins backward which turns the clutch in the opposite direction. That's how reverse is achieved. The beauty is.......no extra parts for reverse.

The specs say it has reverse. :yes:

[Firefly]

Hell, wait a year and you can pick up the Ryker for $5-$8K (depending on model) at this pricing :)

Yeah.. maybe.. but it's still fugly… ;)

[Firefly]

thank you for posting that.... I checked out their website but they don't have anything close to those prices posted... they just say "request a quote".... then again the only '17 they have online is an RTS with savings of $9500 taking the price to $18,999.

As I said.. this was in the summer....

Others still have old stock laying around I'm sure. The prices and big rebates always happen once the new model years are announced. I just got an email about big factory rebates on 2018 models....

[ARtraveler]

I have spent my first hour on site to review what everyone has posted about the new Ryker.

It's looking like BRP has come up with an "interesting" should I say "winner?"

The pricing hit the advertising teaser. You can build the machine you want, but that will cost a bit more. I think they learned that from the F3 marketing. :yes:

Shaft drive, lots of colors, two more engine configurations, "off road" capabilities...what's not to like?

Would like to hear how they came up with the name...? Sounds like a little to much "Star Trek" (thanks Bob).

Glad to see a few more color options in the RT line up also. And...they have dropped the price by a couple $K for the RTL.

Those clamoring for "off road" and "hot rods" now have many more options than before. What are you folks going to do?

All in all...there seems to be more positives than negatives. I forsee new customers coming into the dealerships, and more Spyders/Rykers on the road. Time will tell.

:congrats: to BRP for some "good stuff" to discuss. :yes::yes:

[Rob Rodriguez]

The CVT transmission in cars are the same but very different then used in snowmobiles or the Ryker. So the comparisons may, but will very likely not apply.

The cvt car transmission has a steel push belt lubricated in oil. Controlled completely by computer over hydraulics.

The Ryker has a rubber pull belt. It looks like it has a conventional snowmobile type clutch. So I assume it is controlled mechanically by the interactions of springs, ramp weight and angle. Under different rpm and torque loads.

I am also assuming so far. That this that I found on the BRP website is a mistake. If not it is computer controlled.

165599

That image is accurate to what is in the sleds. Not computer controlled. It has spring, ramps, etc like you mention. You can see the 6 ramp towers in the lower clutch housing. Each one has a weight and there is a spring in the center. The upper clutch has a spring and helix ramp in the center housing

[old Timer]

The Aprilia Mana 850 motorcycle had a CVT transmission that was equipper with a paddle shifter. The CVT tranny was computer controlled and the CVT used a belt like most ATV's etc. We had one and it was a Hot Rod.

The big 650 Suzuki Scooter has a computer controlled CVT transmission that uses a steel belt in an oil bath. Every combination seems to be in successful and accepted use.

Some of you all seem to want a F3T for $10K............:shocked:

[MarvG]

Would like to hear how they came up with the name...? Sounds like a little to much "Star Trek" (thanks Bob).


IMO - StrYker or StrYder would be a better fit for the name.

[delkhouri]

Some of you all seem to want a F3T for $10K............:shocked:

Know where I can get one?

[delkhouri]

IMO - StrYker or StrYder would be a better fit for the name.

I like the sounds of Stryder

[IdahoMtnSpyder]

Correction--- what I meant was the SHAFT DRIVE.....
And why do you think a shaft drive will suck up power? Gears are very efficient at transmitting power. I think the shaft drive will suck up less power than the belt drive does.

[Culpjp]

I like the sounds of Stryder

I think Stryder is already trademarked from a video game.

[SpyderChris]

Being a new Spyder owner, I will say that I spent a lot of time planning to buy a used model in the 10-12K range. But the rebates on the '17 models in the early summer convinced me to spend a little more the get something new, and I bought a F3-S. I think the F3 is a good looking machine, but it did take a little while to grow on me. However, but I still think the RS and ST were better looking. I'm personally not a fan of the boxy look and wish they had gone with a sporty look instead.

That price point is going to gather a LOT of attention though. I think if this was available when I was buying, it would have been given very serious consideration, despite the looks. The CVT is going to make this even more accessible to a lot of buyers that don't even want have to use the paddle shifter. I would expect that in a year if you visit a dealership you'll find they have almost exclusively Rykers on the floor.

I expect this will be bringing a lot more people into Spyder/Ryker community. I'd also bet that you'll soon find quite a few on the used market with low mileage as people decide to upgrade.

The color panels remind me of my old Dell Inspiron Laptop circa 2003 with replaceable color panels! :roflblack:

[maxxheadroom]

If you’ve ever taken a closer look at big, burly cruisers of today, you must have seen a belt driving the rear wheel, instead of a chain that you see on your everyday motorcycles. In case you haven’t managed a peek yet, we’re talking about a belt-drive. So how different are these belt drives from the usual chains that you see on other motorcycles?


To be honest, not much. The mechanism is more or less the same – the belt or the chain are the bike’s ‘final drive’. It is essentially the assembly that delivers the engine’s power, after it has passed through everything, including the gearbox. In short, the final drive turns the rear wheel with whatever power the engine generates.


The main difference, between a belt and chain drive is that of what the motorcycle is intended for.
Chain drives just happen to be the most economical ones, and they also lose the least amount of power (the actual power that reaches the wheel is always lesser than the power generated by the engine). They are indeed stronger and can take a lot of stress (that’s why you’ll always see chain drives on dirt-bikes), but they have their set of drawbacks in terms of maintenance. Chains are essentially rings of metal linked together, hence they need to be lubricated properly at all times. If you don’t take good care of them, they’ll get mangled up, break under high tension or even damage the sprockets. Chains may also develop slack over time, so you’ll need to adjust them periodically.


Belt drives, on the other hand, are usually seen in cruisers because they require less maintenance. Made for longevity, these rubber belts are reinforced with metal wires inside them for durability, hence they’re quite strong too. Although they’re expensive than chain drives, belt drives also offer a smoother ride, and don’t create the mess that flying chain lube can cause. But while we’re on the topic of smoothness, the best in terms of a hassle-free ride is probably the shaft drive.


It is essentially the same technology that’s used in cars – the engine makes some power, and a turning shaft delivers the same to the wheels. Of the three, shaft drives require the least amount of maintenance – all you need to do is check that the oil reservoir has optimum levels of lube.
Since you don’t have a dangling component like a belt or a chain, shaft-drives are used in adventure-touring motorcycles, which benefit from the added ground clearance. But they have their drawbacks too – because there are a lot of gears involved in power delivery, the power loss is the highest.
Also, the assembly is heavier, adding bulk to your ride.

https://www.thehindubusinessline.com/specials/auto-focus/The-difference-between-a-chain-belt-and-shaft-drive/article20899614.ece

[Red RT-S]

i question how well the cvt belt will hold up to road use. 2-3K miles on a sled belt and its time for a replacement.


I just checked the belt wear on my Ski-Doo Renegade with the Ace 900 engine. A new belt is 1.468" wide, and my belt, after 4,667 miles is 1.463" wide, so it has worn down just .005" in over 4,600 miles of use. Seems like the belt will last well over 2-3K miles.

[maxxheadroom]

https://psmfirestorm.blob.core.windows.net/ce8588eb-d356-4e70-abd5-eccefd62efd1/Honda-MotorTrike-ProwlerRT4.jpg

[Rob Rodriguez]

I just checked the belt wear on my Ski-Doo Renegade with the Ace 900 engine. A new belt is 1.468" wide, and my belt, after 4,667 miles is 1.463" wide, so it has worn down just .005" in over 4,600 miles of use. Seems like the belt will last well over 2-3K miles.

Maybe, hard to say? I'm sure riding style would play into that. Let's say a belt lasts 8-10K? That would fine. Belts are pretty cheap and easy to change.

[billybovine]

That image is accurate to what is in the sleds. Not computer controlled. It has spring, ramps, etc like you mention. You can see the 6 ramp towers in the lower clutch housing. Each one has a weight and there is a spring in the center. The upper clutch has a spring and helix ramp in the center housing

So you are saying the text is incorrect and not a 6 speed?

[Rob Rodriguez]

So you are saying the text is incorrect and not a 6 speed?

Ah, you know I didn't see the small text. Based on sleds that set up is not a 6 speed and not computer controlled. It's mechanical. Its possible its different in the Ryker? BRP needs to release more info.

[Rob Rodriguez]

Ah, you know I didn't see the small text. Based on sleds that set up is not a 6 speed and not computer controlled. It's mechanical. Its possible its different in the Ryker? BRP needs to release more info.


Text is different on this page.

https://can-am.brp.com/on-road/experience/ryker/technologies.html

[Firefly]

And why do you think a shaft drive will suck up power? Gears are very efficient at transmitting power. I think the shaft drive will suck up less power than the belt drive does.

They're heavy for starters and every time the power goes through a gear you lose some power, especially when you have to 'turn' that power 90 degrees.. you're going to lose much more than a direct drive belt or chain.

[Tanshanomi]

From the BRP website: "Automatic, intuitive twist-and-go transmission and no gear shifting..."

Sure sounds like a typical CVT. If there are electronic shift points, I'm betting that's an "artificial" mode that can be turned on and off—like the Mana's—since CVTs are most efficient when they adjust infinitely.

[billybovine]

Text is different on this page.

https://can-am.brp.com/on-road/experience/ryker/technologies.html

So it is. I think my first instinct is correct and the brochure is incorrect. This link is correct. Simple CVT.

[billybovine]

From the BRP website: "Automatic, intuitive twist-and-go transmission and no gear shifting..."

Sure sounds like a typical CVT. If there are electronic shift points, I'm betting that's an "artificial" mode that can be turned on and off—like the Mana's—since CVTs are most efficient when they adjust infinitely.

Artificial shift points would be a dumb ass thing to. Let the CVT do it's thing. I agree with you. Far more efficient.

[billybovine]

I really don't mind how it looks except for the Bullwinkle mirrors on the handlebars. That is a place the aftermarket can start.

[DonFG]

Remember these are my opinions and observations so don't get bent out of shape if they don't match yours.

I like the look of the new design. It took me a few years to like the Spyder enough to buy an F3. This really is not much different in design than what we already all drive. I checked out the pictures and thought, Cool! lower seat height. Then I watched the videos and to me they look like they are still sitting high. I had a Vette so yea, I like draggin my ass.

As for off roading, you can't take it literally with forward foot controls, come on guys. My two other Buts, CVT and no clutch. Change those two things and I would consider trading mine in.

I do like the off road option for what I see in the future. Flat Tracking! Since the first time I saw the Ryker I thought what would it be like to get this out on a flat track for some hot laps... I'd like to see that in a Can-Am video!

Anyway, it does have it's appeal. First time riders and customizers should have a blast with this.

[jfischer]

I have a Subaru outback as well as a Toyota Tacoma. Both have CVT transmissions and both are capable of dropping a gear to pass. Not sure what you are talking about in reference to this. On both you hear the Tranny shifting and can manually shift via paddle shift on the Subaru.

The Outback with CVT, I'll believe that. A Tacoma with CVT - not so much :)

[Bob Denman]

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Ryker

It seems that BRP picked out a name with some strong "Street Credentials". :clap:

[ofdave]

The Outback with CVT, I'll believe that. A Tacoma with CVT - not so much :)

have to agree, no Tacoma has a CVT. some Corollas and Priuses have them, Not a Tacoma

[Rob Rodriguez]

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Ryker

It seems that BRP picked out a name with some strong "Street Credentials". :clap:


Maybe but everyone I talk to says the same thing. "They named if after Star Trek?"

[MarvG]

How about this accessory: a seat attachment that is a mini trunk (big enough to cram the wifes purse in), put a helmet lock on there somewhere and add a cushion to it so it can double as a back rest.

BTW: ALL Spyders/Rykers should have SPORT mode available on them. :pray:

She wants the Ryker Rally with Army Green, Sport Shield and Splash Guards.

[Rob Rodriguez]

How about this accessory: a seat attachment that is a mini trunk (big enough to cram the wifes purse in), put a helmet lock on there somewhere and add a cushion to it so it can double as a back rest.

BTW: ALL Spyders/Rykers should have SPORT mode available on them. :pray:

She wants the Ryker Rally with Army Green, Sport Shield and Splash Guards.


There is a top case that attaches behind the seat has an accessory. Sort of what you're asking for.

[Bob Denman]

There is? :shocked:
I must have missed that option; while building the three that I tinkered around with! :banghead:
Thanks for the info! :clap:

[Deanna777]

My first impression: I LIKE IT.

Had to do a bunch of searching but the Can Am site has a build it section that actually works. :bowdown::bowdown:

Three versions available: Rally, 600 cc, 900 cc. You can buy the 600 for $8499.

A lot of color combos available. Some actually "new." The color choices are panels that they charge extra for.

A "passenger" seat can be purchased. Otherwise, It's made for one up driving.

This should rev up the market for BRP and get more people interested. I must compliment BRP. :bowdown::bowdown:

They have added some new colors and offer "dark" and "chrome" versions for the RT. The base model is white only. I like the phoenix orange. :yes:I also like the Phoenix Orange, in the RT in the Chrome Version.:yes:

Deanna

[Deanna777]

Thanks folks for the update on the RT. I did not find that section when I looked.

Yes, the RT is still here and I do like that orange color. :bowdown::bowdown::agree: I do like the orange. :yes::yes::yes: Deanna

[Deanna777]

Under the skin.

https://scontent.flas1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/41469764_1982610055111530_717746561953562624_o.jpg ?_nc_cat=0&oh=bc119e29664674f79edab3fa8c6f63a1&oe=5C24D9DFHey, It looks like they are using the "Kenda Tires".
Look at the front wheel, lower left with red dot.
Deanna

[Rob Rodriguez]

There is? :shocked:
I must have missed that option; while building the three that I tinkered around with! :banghead:
Thanks for the info! :clap:


If you add the passenger seat that option goes away :(. It mounts in the same location. If you have the passenger seat you get the shad bag option only

[vondalyn]

I like the sounds of Stryder


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[Gunner3773]

The Ryker reminds me of the Sportster and Harley. The low price may get people into riding three wheels and soon after they will want the extras of the F3 or RT. Not a bad plan. I would like to see the driveshaft migrate to the F3's and RT's.

Honda better get their rear in gear if they have any thoughts about getting a piece of the three wheel market. Good grief Honda, throw a front end on that 1800 Goldwing and call it a day!

[ARtraveler]

The Ryker reminds me of the Sportster and Harley. The low price may get people into riding three wheels and soon after they will want the extras of the F3 or RT. Not a bad plan. I would like to see the driveshaft migrate to the F3's and RT's.

Honda better get their rear in gear if they have any thoughts about getting a piece of the three wheel market. Good grief Honda, throw a front end on that 1800 Goldwing and call it a day!

:bbq::bbq::bbq:

[aka1004]

BRP does it again!!!
actually, its even uglier than F3 and more stuff I added, windshield/saddlebag, worse it looked.
I shall take good care of my 15 RS, hopefully long enough for BRP or other manufacturers to come up with a replacement.

its just my opinion and doesn't make it right or wrong, just not for me.

[asp125]

..
its just my opinion and doesn't make it right or wrong, just not for me.

Me neither, can't get used to the lawn tractor front end of the F3 and now the Ryker. Now, the lower maintenance shaft drive and the center lock wheels? They got that right.

[delkhouri]

After some time thinking about it... I think the real money for can am to make is in all the accessories/accessorizing that people will want to do to their Ryker to make them their own. It's brilliant really.

I am sure that you have all realized this by now

[asp125]

After some time thinking about it... I think the real money for can am to make is in all the accessories/accessorizing that people will want to do to their Ryker to make them their own. It's brilliant really.

I am sure that you have all realized this by now

Taking a page out of the Harley marketing manual.

[Tanshanomi]

The Ryker reminds me of the Sportster and Harley. The low price may get people into riding three wheels and soon after they will want the extras of the F3 or RT. Not a bad plan.

I'm also thinking this is lessons learned from the way they market their Sea-Doo Spark. Sell a deliberately de-contented "bait" version at a loss, so you can advertise the MSRP, but offer a much more desirable "real" version just one step up on the food chain.

[delkhouri]

So I finally got to watch some videos on the Ryker.... It looks like the designers took the batman motorcycle from the Dark Knight, made it into a y-frame tryke and put Darth Vaders Face on it. Not sure if I love the looks or hate them but I am pretty sure there is no in between.

[IdahoMtnSpyder]

Text is different on this page.

https://can-am.brp.com/on-road/experience/ryker/technologies.html

Here is the entire spec list, sans the individual group headings, from the Build It page.

Download spec sheet (https://can-am.brp.com/content/dam/canam-spyder/Global/MY2019/Documents/Spec-sheets/EN/Can-Am_Ryker_MY19_Ryker Rally Edition_Spec Sheet_EN_LR.pdf)













Type
Rotax® 900 ACE™ in-line 3 cylinders, liquid-cooled with electronic fuel injection and electronic throttle control





Bore & Stroke
2.9 in. (74 mm) x 2.7 in. (69.7 mm)





Power
77 hp (57.5 kW) @ 7100 RPM





Torque
56 ft-lb (76 Nm) @ 6300 RPM

















Type
Automatic (CVT)





Reverse




























Front Suspension
Double wishbone





Front Shocks Type / Travel
KYB HPG with preload adjustment 36mm / 6.38 in. (162 mm)





Rear Suspension
Multi-link - mono swing arm





Rear Shock Type / Travel
KYB HPG 40 mm with remote reservoir 4-positions compression adjustable damping and preload adjustement / 6.89 in. (175 mm)





Electronic Brake distribution system
Foot-operated, hydraulic 3-wheel brake





Front Brakes
270 mm discs with Nissin 2-piston floating calipers





Rear Brake
220 mm disc, 1-piston floating caliper





Parking Brake
Park lock





Front Tires
MC145/60R16 66T





Rear Tire
MC205/55R15 81T





Aluminum Front Rims
5-spoke Carbon black & Machined, 16 x 4.5 in. (406 x 114 mm)





Aluminum Rear Rim
5-spoke Carbon black & Machined, 15 x 6.5 in. (381 x 165 mm)




















RIDER CAPACITY
1





STORAGE CAPACITY
1.85 gal (7 L)





TOWING CAPACITY
N/A





FUEL CAPACITY
5.28 gal (20 L)





FUEL TYPE
Premium unleaded




















L x W x H
92.6 x 59.4 x 41.8 in. (2,352 x 1,509 x 1,062 mm)





Wheelbase
67.3 in. (1,709 mm)





Seat Height
24.2 in. (615 mm)





Ground Clearance
4.4 in. (112 mm)





Dry Weight
627 lb (285 kg)


















Type
4.5" digital display





Main Functions
Speedometer, tachometer, odometer, trips, gear position, distance to empty, engine lights, fuel gauge, clock, ECO mode, Sport mode and Rally mode.





Audio System
N/A





















SCS
Stability Control System





TCS
Traction Control System





ABS
Anti-lock Braking System





DPS™
N/A





Anti-Theft System
Digitally Encoded Security System (D.E.S.S. ™ )





HHC
Hill Hold Control

















Factory
1-year BRP Limited Warranty with 1-year roadside assistance





Extended
BRP’s B.E.S.T. extended service term available from 12 to 36 months.

[Sarge707]

Whats Not to like-
Easy access to rear tire replacement and Spark Plugs , Battery, and coolant ! Little slot car that's going to replace my F3 and cost me nothing in a decent deal! Sport front windshield will probably need the touring shield on top But its a No Brainer for me who rides only in my own State with no long trips. Gas mileage on the ACE 900 is excellent on the Spark and probably much better than the 1330 in my F3? Just want a test drive?nojoke

[JAS POWER]

BRP does it again!!!
actually, its even uglier than F3 and more stuff I added, windshield/saddlebag, worse it looked.
I shall take good care of my 15 RS, hopefully long enough for BRP or other manufacturers to come up with a replacement.

its just my opinion and doesn't make it right or wrong, just not for me.

100% agree!!!

BRP is on the right track in a lot of ways with this, but the styling definitely needs work. The F3 grew on me, but still is not appealing to say the least (In my opinion).

Lots of comments about the F3 looking like a lawn mower with the Ryker on the same page is funny, because when I had my wife at the dealer the last time she commented that the F3 looked like a lawn mower at the time a just laughed. Funny seeing other people think the same!

One thing for sure and Harley has this problem too is not everyone likes the mid mount or forward pegs. I prefer more of a sport position with the peg pulled back more from the mid point, I can't see if they allow that or not. Doesn't seem that way though.

As the 2019 Spyder's go I like the RT by far the best in the styling department, followed by the F3, with the Ryker in last, who knows maybe it will grow on me like the F3 did.

[Dubliner]

single seater.. no place for significant other to ride??????????? NO THANKS!
BIG F

If you look at the photo you can see the passenger seat on the back, the seat looks a tad small for one of ample girth though! 😎

[Dubliner]

I'm not sure how you lose power with a swing arm. All the current spyders have swing arms.

I think he means shaft drive, I talked to our local dealer this morning and they were just getting feedback about it from the show. He doesn’t know when they will have any. But I have booked a test ryde anyway.. I don’t mind travelling..

[Dubliner]

My guess is yes. The SxS and Sleds with this setup do. It's called RER and the engine actually spins backward which turns the clutch in the opposite direction. That's how reverse is achieved. The beauty is.......no extra parts for reverse.
On the video this morning they were talking to a MMA guy and he mentioned that it had reverse. You might see it now. It was to be uploaded this morning
https://mobile.twitter.com/CanAmOnRoad?ref_src=twsrc%5Eappleios%7Ctwcamp%5Esa fari%7Ctwgr%5Eprofile

[Firefly]

Just for you Bob..... BING!

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[Rob Rodriguez]

One thing for sure and Harley has this problem too is not everyone likes the mid mount or forward pegs. I prefer more of a sport position with the peg pulled back more from the mid point, I can't see if they allow that or not. Doesn't seem that way though.




I'm with you on this and if that's the case this is another new Spyder I will not purchase. Test ride will tell me real quick :)

[jcthorne]

I find it interesting that BRP cut the warranty in half for the Ryker. Only 1 year with up to 3 more BEST so max of 4 yrs coverage and the CVT belt is not covered. Its a wear component like the clutch and brakes.

[Buckeye Bleau]

Look at the engine specs:


600cc ACE in-line two cylinder starting at $8499 - 47hp 35torque
900cc ACE in-line three cylinder starting at $9999 - 77hp 56 torque

Not much oomph going on there...…especially with a CVT where you can't drop a gear when passing, etc.

Such low torque won't bode well for off-roading.....





I always enjoy reading your statements on this site, thank you. They always remind me that if I believe that everything is about me and designed for me I will also become very negative about everything. Oh, of course I would not be negative about myself, since I am the best there is and a personal expert on everything.

Look, the Ryker is designed for a different experience. Why would a company design a new model to replace a popular one, it would be shifting money from the right pocket to the left. Yes, sometimes the old needs replaced, as I believe that the RT will soon meet its end, but the Ryker is designed and marketed for a different class.

They did not make it to appeal to the RT or F3 Ryder, it is for others. Look at it like those old Big Wheel plastic trikes that were around eons ago.

Foot forward, very low to the ground, wide stance, you could go fast, slide, drift and just have a ball. Well, Ryker is feet forward, low seat (low CG) and wide stance.

I would not give up my RT for one, I would for an F3, but I would love to have one of these in the garage just for fun and maybe a hundred or so mile, mind escape, trip from home and back.

This is for a different Ryder in order to bring more people in, NOT to encourage you to replace yours.

Joe

[Culpjp]

This is for a different Ryder in order to bring more people in, NOT to encourage you to replace yours.

Joe

That's the way BRP is looking at it. Get the new ryders to see what a Spyder is about, and then get them to buy the more expensive ones next.
I'm also seeing many people talking about the Ryker as a second Spyder for their significant others. Again that gets two Spyders in the garage where before there was only one.
A smart move on BRP's part of it works.

[Bob Denman]

Doesn't anybody else remember how "dorky" we all thought the F-3 looked back in late 2014? :shocked:

And then folks started riding them... :thumbup:
This bike will help to expand the Can Am lineup into untapped markets.

[BryanSD]

I would not give up my RT for one, I would for an F3, but I would love to have one of these in the garage just for fun and maybe a hundred or so mile, mind escape, trip from home and back.

This is for a different Ryder in order to bring more people in, NOT to encourage you to replace yours.

Joe

I also think this new line also gives BRP "freedom" to take risks and get a feel for what people like and don't like before bringing them in the Spyder line. For instance, a drive shaft with a fully automatic CVT sound like a great idea for the Spyder's future...but that could also be a huge risk on changing the Spyder experience. Let the Ryker design take some risks before taking any drastic steps toward the Spyder. A motorcycle owner will be a lot more forgiving for a design mistake made on a $10,000 Ryker than his or her $25,000 Spyder.

Personally, if I owned moped/bicycle rental shop in some tourist area...I'd buy a few Rykers to offer customers. There are a lot more opportunities in bringing the Ryker to new customers. The other day, I had a young construction worker stop me at the intersection and ask me what I was riding. My initial thoughts were he likely couldn't afford my RT Limited unless he sacrificed a lot of his budget. The Ryker puts a reverse trike within reach for so many new demographics that a Spyder couldn't...should be a lot of fun to see how people react to it.

[trikermutha]

Its definitely aimed towards young people of a certain size and shape. A big guy like me would never be able to ride that. And I like it too.

:agree: more aimed at the younger generation. Sporty cheap and gets you around and safer than 2 wheels. :thumbup:

[rogerb]

Those tires don't look like the stock Kendas we're used to seeing. Maybe BRP is using a new OEM brand? :pray:
16" tires

[Bob Denman]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYtfcKwKe-A

[Sarge707]

:agree: more aimed at the younger generation. Sporty cheap and gets you around and safer than 2 wheels. :thumbup:

And Now that the base F3 is down to 15,999 they have a place to jump to without breaking the bank!
Being a Local area rider I want a Ryker -Depending on the ride results we will see this week?:hun:

[rogerb]

Check dealer specials.. mine had 2017 base models for $9,700. Too good of a deal to pass up....:thumbup:.
The only discount my dealer has is whatever BRP offers even on two and three year leftovers.

[Tanshanomi]

The more exposure I get to the Ryker, the more I like it. I doubt I'll like it enough to give up the greater power, better ergonomics, manual 6-speed, and cruise control of my '13 RS-S. Or the paid-in-full title I have for it.

[Jid]

I wonder how well they will really do on dirt roads. It isn’t really a dirt bike... but I could use it for one!

[youngers524]

I don't quite understand how they are marketing this as being able to go off raod. From my understanding it sits lower than the F3 which stuggles to get out of most driveways.

[Bob Denman]

It's more of an "un-paved road" bike. :D
The shaft drive removes the chances of destroying the belt with a couple of small pebbles...

[Tanshanomi]

The Rally Edition has a slightly higher (1" I think) ride height, different tires, and a re-calibrated nanny mode that won't freak out on soft/loose surfaces.

[Tanshanomi]

An area dealer (Pitbull Powersports) uploaded a video from the Ryker intro to their Facebook feed. I grabbed a GIF of the glove box, and the quick-release footpeg adjustment, two interesting features I thought you'd all like to see.

http://tanshanomi.com/temp/Ryker-storage.gif

http://tanshanomi.com/temp/Ryker-footpeg-adj.gif

Here's a link to the whole video, for those of you on Facebook:
https://www.facebook.com/pitbullpowersport/videos/231516234210943/

[IdahoMtnSpyder]

I wonder how well they will really do on dirt roads. It isn’t really a dirt bike... but I could use it for one!

Could maybe be a good substitute for the typical heavy weight dual sport bike. They're made for dirt and gravel but not trails.

[Sarge707]

An area dealer uploaded a video from the Ryker intro to their Facebook feed. I grabbed a GIF of the glove box, and the quick-release footpeg adjustment, two interesting features I thought you'd all like to see.

http://tanshanomi.com/temp/Ryker-storage.gif

http://tanshanomi.com/temp/Ryker-footpeg-adj.gif

Here's a link to the whole video, for those of you on Facebook:
https://www.facebook.com/pitbullpowersport/videos/231516234210943/

Thanks Soooo Much- Just what I was looking for!! More video's should be coming-I hope?

[Jid]

Could maybe be a good substitute for the typical heavy weight dual sport bike. They're made for dirt and gravel but not trails.

For the money, that’s what I’m thinking. It isn’t a RZR but it isn’t an ATV. Would be fun on the dirt though. Not the crazy Jeep dirt but a little dirt.

[daveinva]

Hello old friends... saw all the hub-bub and figured I'd read up on the latest addition to the Spyder family.

I won't revisit what everyone's written about it, but I have yet to see anyone in any thread mention what I imagine may become a critical market for the Ryker: urban stunters.

Yeah, a lot of these kids are riding bikes and quads of questionable provenance-- and definitely breaking a host of laws in doing so-- but many aren't, i.e. these are bought and re-built and farkled and blinged out the same as any other legal bike and quad. There are a lot of stunters in the Washington, D.C. area-- I mean A LOT, the video below is about Baltimore but the same could be made about Washington-- and some of their rides are damn impressive for what they are, i.e. the Ryker will be far more expensive than a beat-up used ATV, but given its super customizable nature, I can see plenty of younger men with money to spare trying to impress their peers with what is, in effect, a street-legal version of the quads we see riding around illegally.

Is it a huge market? Probably not-- but it's a market, and one that's unserved by the existing Spyder designs, and-- *more importantly*-- unserved by ANY major manufacturer, as quads are illegal in every city in America... but the Ryker won't be.

So, that's my bottom line assessment: the Ryker isn't meant to compete with Spyders, nor is it meant to compete with motorcycles-- it's meant to compete with *quads*. You won't be able to ride it off-road like mad like a real ATV, but you *will*, but even better, you'll be able to ride it everywhere on the street-- a place you *can't* ride ATVs today.

There's a market there, folks. We'll see how large.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30lKGIdOzQY

[Rob Rodriguez]

In the video he says he topped out about 75 mph. I wonder how much more it had? In my mind it needs to hit damn close to 100mph or its not going to work for me. I cruise a lot of roads in the 70-80 range so I spend a lot of time in that speed range. If this tops out at 75-80 That's bad for me.

He also said it feels just like sitting on an F3. That's bad for me as well.

Well, without test riding it myself it looks as though the new bike excitement is over. Better go change the oil on the RS. Going to be keeping it for a while.

[IdahoMtnSpyder]

For the money, that’s what I’m thinking. It isn’t a RZR but it isn’t an ATV. Would be fun on the dirt though. Not the crazy Jeep dirt but a little dirt.


...as quads are illegal in every city in America... but the Ryker won't be. ...it's meant to compete with *quads*. You won't be able to ride it off-road like mad like a real ATV, but you *will*, but even better, you'll be able to ride it everywhere on the street-- a place you *can't* ride ATVs today.
I don't think so. Quads are a whole different animal! Actually they are legal on streets and county roads in many western states. But they are not legal on state and federal highways.

How familiar are you guys with dual sport bikes, particularly the so-called heavy weights? In addition to being an entirely new category of street machines for local and short distance riding I really believe BRP designed the Ryker to be ridden on countryside and mountain roads that are dirt and gravel. There are a lot of them in Idaho. In fact, I've been told Idaho is the premier dual sport state in the country!

Last year at Homecoming I was talking to one of the big whigs in Spyder development and told him they really needed to come out with a version of the Spyder geared to tolerate dirt and gravel roads. I said I really believed there was a market, albeit small, for such a machine. I don't recall exactly what his reaction was, but he was receptive. Obviously he already knew that they were going to do that with the Ryker. But, he sure as heck did not drop one hint about its existence!

[MRH]

This is a DIFFERENT animal. The F3 and the RT already fill specific sets of needs, and there's no reason to split up the focus to create even more variation there (they tried that, and it failed). This one is about taking a day ride on pavement and dirt road, and being more "in" the ride. I'd love one, but it feels a lot like a second machine, rather than a compromise that tries to be too many things at the same time. It's accessible, looks like a hell of a lot of fun, and should do a great deal to build the base of the business, which benefits us all.

Personally, I love the looks of it - and the F3 has grown on me as well. I think it's great to introduce something completely NEW with three wheels that will appeal to a different audience.

I think they have been very smart to limit the number of different bikes (now three) and offer variation within those options. It's easier on the manufacturing, and we want them to succeed.

[Tanshanomi]

I have yet to see anyone in any thread mention what I imagine may become a critical market for the Ryker: urban stunters.

That's because you'd be hard pressed to find a vehicle less marketable to "urban stunters" than a nanny-bot governed machine that has no clutch and cannot wheelie.

[Bob Denman]

CuznJohn sent me this link: It's got a whole bunch of good info! :clap:

http://www.motorcycle.com/mini-features/2019-can-ryker-revealed.html

[maxxheadroom]

https://www.facebook.com/pitbullpowersport/videos/231516234210943/

Or I you don't just click not now.

[Culpjp]

Could maybe be a good substitute for the typical heavy weight dual sport bike. They're made for dirt and gravel but not trails.
It's going to be the Spyder version of the old Enduro bikes from the 70's. A ride made for both on road and off road, but not the best at one or the other.

[Tanshanomi]

Or I you don't just click not now.

I thought that was a bunch of typos until I saw the author's name.
T-That Ex-xplains it.

http://tanshanomi.com/temp/animated/max-headroom-tardout.gif

[NuttyBuckeye]

I will enjoy my RTL for now and keep an interested eye and ear on it.

[Firefly]

Hello old friends... saw all the hub-bub and figured I'd read up on the latest addition to the Spyder family.

I won't revisit what everyone's written about it, but I have yet to see anyone in any thread mention what I imagine may become a critical market for the Ryker: urban stunters.

Yeah, a lot of these kids are riding bikes and quads of questionable provenance-- and definitely breaking a host of laws in doing so-- but many aren't, i.e. these are bought and re-built and farkled and blinged out the same as any other legal bike and quad. There are a lot of stunters in the Washington, D.C. area-- I mean A LOT, the video below is about Baltimore but the same could be made about Washington-- and some of their rides are damn impressive for what they are, i.e. the Ryker will be far more expensive than a beat-up used ATV, but given its super customizable nature, I can see plenty of younger men with money to spare trying to impress their peers with what is, in effect, a street-legal version of the quads we see riding around illegally.

Is it a huge market? Probably not-- but it's a market, and one that's unserved by the existing Spyder designs, and-- *more importantly*-- unserved by ANY major manufacturer, as quads are illegal in every city in America... but the Ryker won't be.

So, that's my bottom line assessment: the Ryker isn't meant to compete with Spyders, nor is it meant to compete with motorcycles-- it's meant to compete with *quads*. You won't be able to ride it off-road like mad like a real ATV, but you *will*, but even better, you'll be able to ride it everywhere on the street-- a place you *can't* ride ATVs today.

There's a market there, folks. We'll see how large.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30lKGIdOzQY

Quads are legal in many areas.. northern Michigan has many areas where they're legal.
With the low HP and low torque of the Ryker, CTV tranny, etc.... don't expect many of these sport riders to go for one.

If they would have given it more HP and an 8-10 inch clearance... then they just might have something more off-road friendly....

[maxxheadroom]

I thought that was a bunch of typos until I saw the author's name.
T-That Ex-xplains it.

http://tanshanomi.com/temp/animated/max-headroom-tardout.gif

I did not give enough info.... IF you do not have facebook, when it asks you to log in or create an account at the bottom of that pop up is a link that says "not now". Just click that to v-view the video.... :)

[Sarge707]

https://www.facebook.com/pitbullpowersport/videos/231516234210943/

Or I you don't just click not now.

Open the Facebook link for the Best Video yet on the functions and follow Pitbullsport for other video's? You don't use Facebook then just keep fighting it out in the Off Topic area which is Just as Bad?:roflblack:

[daveinva]

I don't think so. Quads are a whole different animal! Actually they are legal on streets and county roads in many western states. But they are not legal on state and federal highways.


Quads are legal in many areas.. northern Michigan has many areas where they're legal.

Yes, thank you, I was aware of the road legality of quads in select rural areas. I wrote that they're illegal in cities. Perhaps there are some smaller cities in the West that I am unfamiliar with that allow them, but those are very few. In the most populated parts of America, however, it's illegal to ride one on a street, whether they are a traditional quad ATV, or a side-by-side like a RZR. You can ride two wheels, and you can ride three wheels, but you can't ride four, period.

Which returns me to my point, which was that, in addition to being cheap, the Ryker's advantage is that, while road-biased, it can be taken onto gravel, fire, and dirt roads without risking destruction of your vehicle. For people who live "in between" ATV-friendly lands and areas where ATVs are illegal on the roads, having something that can handle both is just as handy as having a dual-sport motorcycle that, while spending 90% of its time visiting Starbucks, is still happy as a clam riding the backroads from time-to-time. To rural markets, the Ryker says, "Hey, you like riding your ATV off-road, but wouldn't it be fun to take it into town? Now you have a legal option." To urban/suburban markets, the Ryker says, "Hey, would you like something lighter that rides like an ATV on the street but is faster and, oh yeah, won't get impounded by the police?"

Much like the Spyder, the Ryker is neither fish nor fowl, but that's where its potential appeal lies. A heavy and expensive BMW GS can be a lousy off-ride bike, and there are better street bikes out there, but it's *versatile*, and it allows its owners to believe that the only limit to where they go today is how dirty they want to get. The Ryker brings that same versatility to three-wheels-- legal on the road, but also able to have fun on the dirt roads when the fancy strikes. Or, for ATV riders, they can enjoy a day out on the dirt roads without towing their vehicle from their house to the country, yet stay aboard on a ride into town for dinner, no need to switch to your car or truck.

For urban markets, trust me, do NOT underestimate that appeal, for cost and logistics prevents ATV sales from being a thing in most cities. For you can't just buy the ATV, you also need to afford the tow vehicle and trailer and have enough space to park and store everything and oh yeah hook everything up for the hour hike out to the country. With the Ryker, you don't have to do any of that now. That's a big sales hook for BRP right there.

[IdahoMtnSpyder]

For urban markets, trust me, do NOT underestimate that appeal, for cost and logistics prevents ATV sales from being a thing in most cities.
I see your point. The Ryker could very well become the "urban ATV"! That is for sane people! Probably not for the nuts like in the video! :roflblack:

[Kratos]

Definitely got me interested. BRP may have hit a homerun on this one! The used market is where it's really gonna get the brand going. People buying really fun motorcycles for 6-7K.......phenomenal.

All it has to do is not break, and I'm sold.

[Firefly]

Yes, thank you, I was aware of the road legality of quads in select rural areas. I wrote that they're illegal in cities. Perhaps there are some smaller cities in the West that I am unfamiliar with that allow them, but those are very few. In the most populated parts of America, however, it's illegal to ride one on a street, whether they are a traditional quad ATV, or a side-by-side like a RZR. You can ride two wheels, and you can ride three wheels, but you can't ride four, period.

Guess it depends on what your definition of a city is. Also, a RZR can be plated as 100% street legal in many states. In Michigan you can drive them anywhere-- including our big cities if you have them properly equipped and licensed. I see one drive by my business quite often.

[Pantera]

How are the belts holding up?

[Peter Aawen]

:oldpost: You might want to ask that question in a new thread all of its own, rather than tagging onto the end of an older & 'not clearly related' thread. ;)