Travel Trailer Camping in Canada

[UtahPete]

In less than two weeks, we are leaving on a trip to Maine via Canada. We'll be towing our 16' Scamp travel trailer (not a Spyder adventure this time, for various reasons). We'll be crossing into Canada at Rainy River, Ontario and traveling east, staying pretty close to the border but avoiding cities as much as possible. Our tentative route is here https://goo.gl/maps/Hw5hwZ25rAE2

Most of our travel / camping has been in the western US, where there is a wealth of camping opportunities, from ad hoc (BLM) to full hookups and services (KOA style). Usually, we make no reservations because we never know where our wanderlust will take us and when. So, we're a little unused to planning our stops, making reservations for one-night stays and have no experience with traveling in Canada at all.

Jane just made our reservations for our first night stay in Ontario at Quetico Provincial Park for $52.53CN ($40US). This broke down to;

Camping and fees; $36.75
Reservation fee; $9.73
HST (tax?) $6.05


We're planning to spend 3 weeks in Canada and really don't want to have to make reservations everywhere we go. Can someone experienced at this suggest a strategy for avoid having to make reservations for overnight camping in Canada?

In the West, if we are unable to find a developed campground with openings when we are ready to stop for the night, we can usually find Forest Service or BLM land to do so. Is there anything like that in Canada, so that if we can't find a campground with open spots we can just pull off the road into the woods or something?

Thoughts? Thanks.

[Bob Denman]

nojoke Invest in some bug repellent that is 100% DEET... nojoke

They measure mosquitoes up there by the distance between their eyes :shocked:. A small one might only be a "Three-incher"! :yikes:
Have fun, and take lots of pictures for us! :thumbup:

Next time: we might tag along!

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[DGoebel]

Nice Trip, don't forget to get your picture taken with Willie the Walleye in Baudette, biggest darned walleye I ever caught.... heh, heh, heh;)
I love those Scamps! I can see you're going right by Sleeping Giant Provincial Park, just east of Thunder bay. We camped there one year and they have an amazing campground, from pretty normal somewhat wooded sites to some of the remote sites on the west shore of Marie Louise Lake. On clear nights you can't see any artificial lighting in most directions. The history and scenery were riveting.
And from Thunder Bay to SSM you're following a portion of the Around Lake Superior route.
Give me a heads up when you're planning on passing through MN either direction, maybe we can join you on our Spyders for a while.

[SpyderAnn01]

There is a Spyder owner in CA, Jim O’Briant, who owns a subscription website that has what you’re looking for. I’m not sure though if he has info for Canada. https://www.overnightrvparking.com/

[ARtraveler]

The Northern route of the Lake Superior Circle tour is the most scenic. Have been to Rainy River, Baudette, and I Falls area many times. It's going to be a big change from what you are used to.

Post some pictures please. :yes:

[Bob Denman]

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51FoiUgj4sL._SL1024_.jpg

Do you know what they call that?

A bag lunch! :yikes:

Speaking of that:

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[Joerolwing]

This has been about 8 years ago in Nova Scotia, Newfoundland and Prince Edward Island but I don't remember the rates any higher than US rates. We got away with primitively camping right on the beach once.

[blitzkreig]

nojoke Invest in some bug repellent that is 100% DEET... nojoke

They measure mosquitoes up there by the distance between their eyes :shocked:. A small one might only be a "Three-incher"! :yikes:


They stopped selling the 95% DEET here in Canada and only sell stuff with a concentration less than 30% now. SIGH!

But really the things to be afeared of are the "no-see-ums" (Black Flies). They rip chunks of meat out of your flesh and go eat it in the woods. I have been inundated by clouds of them. Once at a gas stop just outside of Hamilton I left my helmet on and visor down the whole time I was stopped as they were just unbearable.

[Bob Denman]

Look for Ben's100
(100% DEET)
It's not legal for sale here in New York either. I found a store in the Adirondacks that still sold it. As I was picking up five bottles: I asked the owner why he was selling it.
His response"
"I lived in Alaska for 10 years. The vampires that you have down here are even worse!"

I picked up a sixth bottle; paid for them, and left! :thumbup:

[Bob Denman]

:lecturef_smilie: Why can't you knock it off? :gaah:
Everybody is getting tired of this ****: On both sides!! nojoke

Putting the joker at the end of your post really isn't turning it into a joke: we're all too tired of this rhetoric.

[Pirate looks at --]

:lecturef_smilie: Why can't you knock it off? :gaah:
Everybody is getting tired of this ****: On both sides!! nojoke

Putting the joker at the end of your post really isn't turning it into a joke: we're all too tired of this rhetoric.
I have to guess that some of the posts on this thread have been pulled......either that or Bob is loosing his mind! Can we all just get along?:pray:

[Bob Denman]

Holly pulled his post... :thumbup:

[Pirate looks at --]

Got it! I am sure that spared the rest of us some un-needed aggravation!:thumbup: BTW, I knew you were not losing your mind!:clap:

[Bob Denman]

:shocked: You DID??

Most of the time: I'm not so sure! :roflblack:

:thumbup:

[UtahPete]

I'm still looking for help camping in Canada

[Pirate looks at --]

Sorry Pete! I do hope you have a great time! I try NOT to camp as much as possible!:roflblack:

[pegasus1300]

I did a quick Google search and this is what I came up with.You may have already been to some of these sites. If so sorry I wasted both our time.

http://camping-canada.com/

http://www.camping-canada.com/towing_regulations_e.asp ( towing regulations)

www.smarter.com/Find/Camping In Canada (http://www.smarter.com/Find/Camping%20In%20Canada)

www.about.com/Canada+Campgrounds (https://www.google.com/aclk?sa=L&ai=DChcSEwiJ2YOCjq7cAhWUxWQKHTJ6CyIYABACGgJwag&sig=AOD64_2hTBJ_GI9idhDQ2nENNmcdct1zFQ&adurl=&q=&nb=1&res_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.reference.com%2Fweb%3Fqs rc%3D999%26qo%3DsemQuery%26ad%3DsemD%26o%3D37017%2 6l%3Dsem%26askid%3D2774b4d0-25e3-49f8-9c24-34751069db4d-0-rf_msb%26q%3Dcampground%2520canada%26dqi%3D%26am%3 Dbroad%26an%3Dmsn_s&rurl=http%3A%2F%2Fr.searchencrypt.com%2F&nm=23)▼



Anyway it sounds like a fun trip. I love eastern Canada.Be sure to post lots of pictures

[blitzkreig]

The two primary sites are "Campendium.com" and "FreeCampsites.net".

Also in Canada, many Casino properties offer free overnight camping for self-contained units and of course Walmart too. They should be listed in the Campendium.com site.

Each and every Province has their own Park system websites which you may be able to use to book campsites although they always reserve some sites for drop-in visitors. During peak season expect less than optimal "overflow" camping ...

The Canadian National Park system can also be used but expect them to be fully booked this time of year (where I come from Western Canada anyway).

Canada has no general policy of permitting camping in National Parks or wildlife areas but it isn't likely to yield any kind of policing action unless you are there for a long time and warrant checking out :popcorn:

[UtahPete]

I did a quick Google search and this is what I came up with.You may have already been to some of these sites. If so sorry I wasted both our time. Anyway it sounds like a fun trip. I love eastern Canada.Be sure to post lots of pictures
Thanks Paul, that's helpful.

[ARtraveler]

http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/images/icons/icon1.png Camping & Bears
The "usual" bears in Northern MN/Canada are the black ones. They can usually be scared off by banging pots or loud noises.

They "usually" do not attack humans like our Browns in AK. Don't leave food out where they can get at it--as in tent or around picnic table.

Put it in the camper overnight. When we canoed, the food packs were always tied up in a tree from an overhanging branch and suspended between the branch and the ground. We encountered bears one time in 25 years while camping. A big one walked through our camp area and moved on when there was no food.

WARNING: YOUR EXPERIENCE COULD BE DIFFERENT.

[PrairieSpyder]

Here's another source for camping references: https://www.allstays.com/Campgrounds/ They also have iPhone apps.

[UtahPete]

Here's another source for camping references: https://www.allstays.com/Campgrounds/ They also have iPhone apps.
Yes, I have a subscription. It's a very useful resource. Thanks.

[Geep]

Don’t forget your US GreenBack is worth $1.25+ in Canada...oh ya speed is in KMPH, fuel is in liters, and beer is 5%

[UtahPete]

I was hoping some Canadians would chime in with some tips on boondocking in their beautiful country

[Bob Denman]

Perhaps their idea of Boondocking, is when they take warm beer to a Maple Leafs game! :roflblack:

[Geoandkay]

Some suggestions from one who RV'ed full time across the USA & Canada for 16 years . . . During the summer months, until Labor Day.
1. Make reservations ahead of time, or at least while traveling that day. Call by noon.
2. If you have no reservations, plan to be off the road by 3PM
3. If in a tourist area, have reservations
4. If no reservations, have at least one backup campground or boondock areas planned.
5. If no reservations, keep a list of Super-Walmart and truck stops permitting overnight stays.
6. Driving around in the dark, pulling a trailer, looking for a place to park is a poor substitute for a little pre-planning.

[UtahPete]

Some suggestions from one who RV'ed full time across the USA & Canada for 16 years . . . During the summer months, until Labor Day.
1. Make reservations ahead of time, or at least while traveling that day. Call by noon.
2. If you have no reservations, plan to be off the road by 3PM
3. If in a tourist area, have reservations
4. If no reservations, have at least one backup campground or boondock areas planned.
5. If no reservations, keep a list of Super-Walmart and truck stops permitting overnight stays.
6. Driving around in the dark, pulling a trailer, looking for a place to park is a poor substitute for a little pre-planning.

Very good advice. Thank you.

[nhoj]

Perhaps their idea of Boondocking, is when they take warm beer to a Maple Leafs game! :roflblack:

Sorry can't help you with a camping reference. Most of us have to save our $$ to go to one of those Leafs games. :)

gorving.ca may be of some help if you haven't already looked at that site.....
https://gorving.ca/campgrounds/campgrounds-ontario/

They have sections for the other provinces as well. Ontario is huge, as is Quebec. Not too many National Parks in Ontario but dozens of Provincial Parks and you mentioned you are already booked into one just after you enter Canada.

As mentioned speeds are in KPH, just multiply that by 0.6 to get a usable MPH. 100KPH=60MPH, 70KPH=45MPH, etc.

Be prepared for the price of fuel. You do have the 25% gain on your US$ but it still will seem high. A litre is just over a quart so multiply the price per litre by 4 to get quarts and then apply the 25%. We just returned from a 2000Km Spyder trip around the top of Lake Superior and saw fuel prices from a low of $1.20 per liter all the way up to $1.54 per litre. So 1.54 x 4 = $6.16 per gallon, Yikes and even after the 25% advantage... $4.62 US per gallon. Yikes again.

Your trip sounds wonderful. Lake Superior is amazing and you've included the Gaspe Peninsula too on the East Cost.

[UtahPete]

Sorry can't help you with a camping reference. Most of us have to save our $$ to go to one of those Leafs games. :)

gorving.ca may be of some help if you haven't already looked at that site.....
https://gorving.ca/campgrounds/campgrounds-ontario/

They have sections for the other provinces as well. Ontario is huge, as is Quebec. Not too many National Parks in Ontario but dozens of Provincial Parks and you mentioned you are already booked into one just after you enter Canada.

As mentioned speeds are in KPH, just multiply that by 0.6 to get a usable MPH. 100KPH=60MPH, 70KPH=45MPH, etc.

Be prepared for the price of fuel. You do have the 25% gain on your US$ but it still will seem high. A litre is just over a quart so multiply the price per litre by 4 to get quarts and then apply the 25%. We just returned from a 2000Km Spyder trip around the top of Lake Superior and saw fuel prices from a low of $1.20 per liter all the way up to $1.54 per litre. So 1.54 x 4 = $6.16 per gallon, Yikes and even after the 25% advantage... $4.62 US per gallon. Yikes again.

Your trip sounds wonderful. Lake Superior is amazing and you've included the Gaspe Peninsula too on the East Cost.
Very helpful. Thanks!

[cognaccruiser]

Pete,
I've been reluctant to respond as I live in south central BC. Prior to the last 16 years we lived in Ontario and I lived in Quebec for my first 24 years. We used to RV via 5th wheel and tent trailer. Also spent a lot of time tent camping but mostly in remote areas.
Quetico is a beautiful area and we used to canoe in the interior of Quetico.

My OPINION and IMPRESSION is that it is far easier to find a spot at the side of some road out west be it the US or Canada than it is in Ontario and Quebec. Not all Walmarts are overnight friendly based on our experience, but many are. There are many provincial parks and private campgrounds in Ontario and Quebec and I would try and take the very good advice of Geoandkay and nhoj and at least try and book something when close to your destination. It is a very busy time of the year for travelers. There is far less public land in the east than out west where people seem far more receptive to boondocking, again in my opinion.

Presently, Ontario is experiencing an extremely active forest fire season as we are in southern BC. I'm not sure how this may impact your travels, but something to be aware of.

Having traveled all the areas you have indicated on your map, I believe you will thoroughly enjoy your trip.

Happy travels,

Gary

[bushrat]

Hey Pete:
Wishing you a safe and enjoyable trip.
While traversing Ontario (where I live), if you don’t want to spend nights in private campgrounds, you could try the Ontario Provincial Parks, all of which are well-kept, pretty safe, usually quite scenic and near water. Here is their website: https://www.ontarioparks.com/en. You’ll find links to sites, info, regulations, etc. Be aware that Monday, 6 August, is a provincial Civic Holiday, meaning that most sites will be heavily booked from the preceding Friday night and over that weekend. That applies to private campgrounds, motels, some stores, etc. So, anything from Aug. 3 – 6 may be tight; best to reserve ahead. You may find some roadside areas where you can camp freely, although it often seems to be discouraged as a deterrent to damage or folks leaving litter behind. Some areas are posted “NO overnight parking/camping”; if not posted, you could take a chance. If posted, you’ll likely get booted by local police patrol. As noted in another post, regular gas is currently running around $1.30 to $1.40 CDN per liter in southern Ontario - more in the north- (multiply by about 4 for US gal. equivalent); premium (91 – 93 octane) will probably run you another 10 or 12 cents/liter above that. If you’re passing near or through a First Nations (Native) Reserve, you’ll generally find cheaper gas prices (because of some tax savings). Speed limits are 100 kph or 60 mph on major highways; you can usually cheat a little. Traffic on our super (4-lane) highways usually flows closer to 110-115 kph or 65 – 70 mph; over that, and you may get noticed and ticketed. If you go with the flow, you’re usually in safe company. On secondary highways, the limit is usually 80 kph or 50 mph; that’s pretty standard across Ontario. Limit is 50 kph or 30 mph in towns. Watch out for ‘reduced speed’ areas; signs will drop from 80 kph (50 mph) to 70 or 60 kph – beware, these can be ‘speed trap’ areas; usually found when entering smaller countryside villages. Can’t speak to Quebec, New Brunswick, Nova Scotia regulations, but likely to be much the same. Oh, be aware that carrying firearms is highly discouraged at the border; if you are carrying, you may be refused entry or asked to surrender your arms.


Lots of pretty country all the way. Very friendly people, usually helpful. You’ll find life and customs much the same throughout Canada as in the US – highly civilized, a bit more reserved. No need to bring winter clothes or snowshoes; we do have paved roads, flush toilets, plenty of ATM’s, telephones and Internet wi-fi. Enjoy yourselves. If you need assistance en route, PM me if you think I can help. Welcome to Canada.

[UtahPete]

While traversing Ontario (where I live), if you don’t want to spend nights in private campgrounds, you could try the Ontario Provincial Parks, all of which are well-kept, pretty safe, usually quite scenic and near water. Here is their website: https://www.ontarioparks.com/en. You’ll find links to sites, info, regulations, etc. Be aware that Monday, 6 August, is a provincial Civic Holiday, meaning that most sites will be heavily booked from the preceding Friday night and over that weekend. That applies to private campgrounds, motels, some stores, etc. So, anything from Aug. 3 – 6 may be tight; best to reserve ahead.

You may find some roadside areas where you can camp freely, although it often seems to be discouraged as a deterrent to damage or folks leaving litter behind. Some areas are posted “NO overnight parking/camping”; if not posted, you could take a chance. If posted, you’ll likely get booted by local police patrol.

As noted in another post, regular gas is currently running around $1.30 to $1.40 CDN per liter in southern Ontario - more in the north- (multiply by about 4 for US gal. equivalent); premium (91 – 93 octane) will probably run you another 10 or 12 cents/liter above that. If you’re passing near or through a First Nations (Native) Reserve, you’ll generally find cheaper gas prices (because of some tax savings).

Speed limits are 100 kph or 60 mph on major highways; you can usually cheat a little. Traffic on our super (4-lane) highways usually flows closer to 110-115 kph or 65 – 70 mph; over that, and you may get noticed and ticketed. If you go with the flow, you’re usually in safe company. On secondary highways, the limit is usually 80 kph or 50 mph; that’s pretty standard across Ontario. Limit is 50 kph or 30 mph in towns. Watch out for ‘reduced speed’ areas; signs will drop from 80 kph (50 mph) to 70 or 60 kph – beware, these can be ‘speed trap’ areas; usually found when entering smaller countryside villages. Can’t speak to Quebec, New Brunswick, Nova Scotia regulations, but likely to be much the same.

Oh, be aware that carrying firearms is highly discouraged at the border; if you are carrying, you may be refused entry or asked to surrender your arms.

Lots of pretty country all the way. Very friendly people, usually helpful. You’ll find life and customs much the same throughout Canada as in the US – highly civilized, a bit more reserved. No need to bring winter clothes or snowshoes; we do have paved roads, flush toilets, plenty of ATM’s, telephones and Internet wi-fi. Enjoy yourselves. If you need assistance en route, PM me if you think I can help. Welcome to Canada.
Thanks for the encouragement and insights. Very much appreciated.

The last time I crossed the border about 8 years ago (also traveling with the Scamp, Jane and two dogs), they held me there for almost two hours. I hadn't declared any weapons, but because I was from Utah, they didn't believe me. Kept asking me where I kept my guns. I kept telling them I hadn't owned a firearm of any kind since 1965, but they just couldn't believe that was true. Finally let me go, but it wasn't until I got to the US crossing that I discovered; a) they had kept my driver's license and b) my passport was not only expired but perforated (I'd brought the wrong one with me, but they didn't notice). This time, we're bringing bear spray canisters, which I will declare. I've been thinking about buying a cheap handgun to bring with me so they can have the thrill of confiscating it!

[UtahPete]

Pete, I've been reluctant to respond as I live in south central BC. Prior to the last 16 years we lived in Ontario and I lived in Quebec for my first 24 years. We used to RV via 5th wheel and tent trailer. Also spent a lot of time tent camping but mostly in remote areas.
Quetico is a beautiful area and we used to canoe in the interior of Quetico.

My OPINION and IMPRESSION is that it is far easier to find a spot at the side of some road out west be it the US or Canada than it is in Ontario and Quebec. Not all Walmarts are overnight friendly based on our experience, but many are. There are many provincial parks and private campgrounds in Ontario and Quebec and I would try and take the very good advice of Geoandkay and nhoj and at least try and book something when close to your destination. It is a very busy time of the year for travelers. There is far less public land in the east than out west where people seem far more receptive to boondocking, again in my opinion.

Presently, Ontario is experiencing an extremely active forest fire season as we are in southern BC. I'm not sure how this may impact your travels, but something to be aware of. Having traveled all the areas you have indicated on your map, I believe you will thoroughly enjoy your trip. Happy travels, Gary
Gary, I'm glad you overcame your reluctance and joined in the conversation. I appreciate your encouraging words and sage advice. Thanks!

[cognaccruiser]

Thanks for the encouragement and insights. Very much appreciated.

The last time I crossed the border about 8 years ago (also traveling with the Scamp, Jane and two dogs), they held me there for almost two hours. I hadn't declared any weapons, but because I was from Utah, they didn't believe me. Kept asking me where I kept my guns. I kept telling them I hadn't owned a firearm of any kind since 1965, but they just couldn't believe that was true. Finally let me go, but it wasn't until I got to the US crossing that I discovered; a) they had kept my driver's license and b) my passport was not only expired but perforated (I'd brought the wrong one with me, but they didn't notice). This time, we're bringing bear spray canisters, which I will declare. I've been thinking about buying a cheap handgun to bring with me so they can have the thrill of confiscating it!

With regard to the bear spray, I believe it is required that it be labeled as 'bear spray'. Pepper spray would be problematic and of course other sprays such as mace are not permissible. I'm assuming you are just kidding about the hand gun but if not, probably not worth it even as an intended throw away. They won't be thrilled and it just perpetuates the notion, perhaps with just cause, but why promote the stereotype.
We carry bear spray but only when we travel into very remote areas inhabited with grizzlies. In all our years of back country canoeing in Ontario and Quebec, let alone RVing, we never came close to needing it. Having said that, it is what ever makes you comfortable. Make sure you know how to use it.

Cheers,
Gary

[PrairieSpyder]

Thanks for the encouragement and insights. Very much appreciated.

The last time I crossed the border about 8 years ago (also traveling with the Scamp, Jane and two dogs), they held me there for almost two hours. I hadn't declared any weapons, but because I was from Utah, they didn't believe me. Kept asking me where I kept my guns. I kept telling them I hadn't owned a firearm of any kind since 1965, but they just couldn't believe that was true. Finally let me go, but it wasn't until I got to the US crossing that I discovered; a) they had kept my driver's license and b) my passport was not only expired but perforated (I'd brought the wrong one with me, but they didn't notice). This time, we're bringing bear spray canisters, which I will declare. I've been thinking about buying a cheap handgun to bring with me so they can have the thrill of confiscating it!

When I returned to the States on the way home from the Homecoming, I was at a tiny border crossing in a small town in northern Maine. For the life of me I could not find my passport! The agent had me pull over and we both searched the car and the Spyder. He searched every compartment of my purse and found 5 .22mag bullets. I had left my gun at home but forgot to leave the reload ammo I keep with it. He said it's a good thing the Canadians didn't see that when I went in. After about a half-hour, he finally let me go on, even without seeing my passport. I think he figured anyone carrying ammo is probably an American!:ohyea:

(BTW, I later found my passport among my stuff.)

[bushrat]

Pete:
I wholeheartedly agree with Gary's comment just above, and sincerely suggest that you don't provoke any border resistance by bringing along a weapon that you really don't care about having confiscated. Here's why:

I'm a fairly frequent border crosser, and now spend half the year (winter) living in FL. Under the current US Administration, questioning/searching by US border agents has become more intense, sometimes problematic, at your northern border as well as the southern. It can make entry by visitors headed south sometimes more delayed, even doubtful. Couple this with recent disparaging personal comments by #45 about our leader, the institution of punitive tariffs upon our products, and threatened trade wars breaking out, it has led to an unfortunate, but not surprising or unexpected response that perhaps Canadian border guards should respond in kind- i.e, 'toughen up'. I'm not speaking politically, just realistically. Most folks are trying to remain calm and cool. However, the rise of 'nationalism' in one country often results in an 'echoed' and increased nationalism elsewhere; international good relations can become strained and suffer. Very unfortunate.

Lest I be misunderstood, I say this as someone descended from two grandmothers who were each born in the USA, having later migrated north; many of my other American ancestors left the US after the Revolution, remaining loyal to a mad king; otherwise I might have grown up in the Carolinas. My Danish ancestors went first to Texas, then Nebraska, before winding up in the Canadian north. To me, the 49th parallel has often been more of a dotted line on a map, with not a lot of bearing on where I physically happen or choose to be. But still, it is an obstacle to be overcome, and you don't want to be creating any greater excuse than necessary for a border guard to be flexing the 'muscles' of his/her authority. Best advice; leave the weapon at home. Bring the bear spray if you have to, but you'll likely not need it.

[UtahPete]

With regard to the bear spray, I believe it is required that it be labeled as 'bear spray'. Pepper spray would be problematic and of course other sprays such as mace are not permissible. I'm assuming you are just kidding about the hand gun but if not, probably not worth it even as an intended throw away. They won't be thrilled and it just perpetuates the notion, perhaps with just cause, but why promote the stereotype.
We carry bear spray but only when we travel into very remote areas inhabited with grizzlies. In all our years of back country canoeing in Ontario and Quebec, let alone RVing, we never came close to needing it. Having said that, it is what ever makes you comfortable. Make sure you know how to use it. Cheers, Gary
Yes, I was kidding about the throwaway hand gun :thumbup:

[UtahPete]

Pete:I wholeheartedly agree with Gary's comment just above, and sincerely suggest that you don't provoke any border resistance by bringing along a weapon that you really don't care about having confiscated. Here's why:

I'm a fairly frequent border crosser, and now spend half the year (winter) living in FL. Under the current US Administration, questioning/searching by US border agents has become more intense, sometimes problematic, at your northern border as well as the southern. It can make entry by visitors headed south sometimes more delayed, even doubtful. Couple this with recent disparaging comments by #45 about our leader, the institution of punitive tariffs upon our products, and threatened trade wars breaking out, it has led to an unfortunate, but not surprising or unexpected response that perhaps Canadian border guards should respond in kind- i.e, 'toughen up'. I'm not speaking politically, just realistically. Most folks are trying to remain calm and cool. However, the rise of 'nationalism' in one country often results in an 'echoed' and increased nationalism elsewhere; international good relations can become strained and suffer. Very unfortunate.

Lest I be misunderstood, I say this as someone descended from two grandmothers who were each born in the USA, having later migrated north; many of my other American ancestors left the US after the Revolution, remaining loyal to a mad king; otherwise I might have grown up in the Carolinas. My Danish ancestors went first to Texas, then Nebraska, before winding up in the Canadian north. To me, the 49th parallel has often been more of a dotted line on a map, with not a lot of bearing on where I physically happen or choose to be. But still, it is an obstacle to be overcome, and you don't want to be creating any greater excuse than necessary for a border guard to be flexing the 'muscles' of his/her authority. Best advice; leave the weapon at home. Bring the bear spray if you have to, but you'll likely not need it.
Bushrat, I agree wholeheartedly with your sentiments. Anyone who has been following the off-topic threads for the past year knows I'm not at all the stereotypical Utahn. Or American, for that matter.

I was born in the US of British parents, who then emigrated to Canada (South Burnaby, BC) when I was 5. We went back to England 5 years later, then 18 months after that emigrated to the US (Connecticut). Joined the US Navy after High School (Manchester, CT), served on two ships and did a tour in-country Vietnam. When I got out after 10 years, I was an avowed peacenik and located my family in the SF Bay Area where I lived for over 20 years. I actually have dual citizenship, but it hasn't gotten so bad here yet that I'm ready to move to Canada or England (I don't like the cold and get island fever)!

[PrairieSpyder]

Pete, are you dual citizens of USA and UK? or USA and Canada? Or does citizenship of Canada automatically bestow citizenship of the UK? Or vice-versa? :dontknow:

[UtahPete]

Pete, are you dual citizens of USA and UK? or USA and Canada? Or does citizenship of Canada automatically bestow citizenship of the UK? Or vice-versa? :dontknow:
US and UK. I'm assuming, but don't really know, there's some kind of an immigration reciprocity between Canada and the UK.

[Bob Denman]

Patti,
He's never sure if he can get back into any one of the Countries, so he has to keep his options open! :roflblack:

[Holly]

Yes, I was kidding about the throwaway hand gun :thumbup:



You don't own a handgun...….. It would be against your California beliefs,,,,,,,, :p:joke::p

[UtahPete]

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I've got Goodyears on the Xterra and 14" Kenda Karrier radials on the Scamp. Just in case someone was wondering about that.

[Bob Denman]

One more thing...

:lecturef_smilie: Don't mess with the Canadian Border Patrol! :roflblack:

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[UtahPete]

One more thing...:lecturef_smilie: Don't mess with the Canadian Border Patrol! :roflblack:

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Thanks for the advice. I did buy travel insurance, but I'm not sure if it will pay for springing me out of an illegal alien jail in Canada.

[Bob Denman]

I understand that Travel insurance won't pay for bail bonds...

..But they WILL bake you a cake: that has a file in it! :roflblack:

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[Bob Denman]

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Nice-looking rig! :clap::2thumbs:

[Holly]

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I've got Goodyears on the Xterra and 14" Kenda Karrier radials on the Scamp. Just in case someone was wondering about that.




Driving a Nissan ??????? Ever hear of Pearl Harbor ???????? :joke:

We don't drive Nissans around these parts. This is Merica and don't you forget it !!!!!!!! :roflblack:



Drive Safe !!!! :thumbup:

[UtahPete]

Driving a Nissan ??????? Ever hear of Pearl Harbor ???????? :joke: We don't drive Nissans around these parts. This is Merica and don't you forget it !!!!!!!! :roflblack: Drive Safe !!!! :thumbup:

I thought your biggest issue would be with the Kenda tires on the Scamp :thumbup:

[PrairieSpyder]

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I've got Goodyears on the Xterra and 14" Kenda Karrier radials on the Scamp. Just in case someone was wondering about that.

Where do you put the Spyder? :dontknow:nojoke

[UtahPete]

Where do you put the Spyder? :dontknow:nojoke
For us, it's either Scamping or Spydering. This time, being gone for 2 months and wanting to eliminate the cost of hotels, we are Scamping.

[Bob Denman]

Driving a Nissan ??????? Ever hear of Pearl Harbor ???????? :joke:
We don't drive Nissans around these parts. This is Merica and don't you forget it !!!!!!!! :roflblack:
Drive Safe !!!! :thumbup:
This" from the driver of a "'Yota"? :dontknow:

[Holly]

This" from the driver of a "'Yota"? :dontknow:



Build by the gun slinging hands of the good ol boy's in Texas !!!!!!!! :thumbup:

[Bob Denman]

And Datsun has plants over here as well... :thumbup:

[UtahPete]

And Datsun has plants over here as well... :thumbup:
Okay, guys. Quit hijacking my thread ... :lecturef_smilie:

[Pirate looks at --]

Hey Pete, have safe travels and enjoy your trip. Looks like we will miss you at the Rally this year! Have fun!:thumbup:

[Holly]

Okay, guys. Quit hijacking my thread ... :lecturef_smilie:



It's allowed in here...……… Lamont named this board "Off Topic" for a reason !!!!!!!!! :p

[Bob Denman]

Okay, guys. Quit hijacking my thread ... :lecturef_smilie:

Haven't you left the Country yet? :D
Geez...

So is that a 16' Scamp?
Which floorplan?
Deluxe, or standard model?
What options did you outfit it with?

[UtahPete]

Haven't you left the Country yet? :D Geez...So is that a 16' Scamp? Which floorplan? Deluxe, or standard model? What options did you outfit it with?
This is probably my last post for awhile, but no we're still in the good ol' USA. Takes awhile to cross Wyoming, S. Dakota, Minnesota to where we'll be crossing the border.

It's a 2003 16' Side Dinette (SD) Deluxe that I bought off eBay in 2008. I've since added a second f.w. tank and tank monitoring system, an Arrow hitch, aluminum boxes on the back to accommodate the relocated battery, plus all the ramps, chocks, cranks, hookups cables, etc. An aluminum box on the front for the Honda 2000i, an electronic ignition hot water tank, outside shower, aluminum ladder and upgraded the 13" bias ply tires to 14" radials on aluminum rims.

It already had the awning, a/c, front toilet and shower, twin propane tanks. We leave the rear dinette in the bed configuration. It's been a nice setup for us, particularly since we used to do a lot of boondocking in the western wilderness areas.

[Bob Denman]

My kid is interested in the 13 foot version... :thumbup:
He figures that he can easily tow it with his AWD Infinity. (G37)

[UtahPete]

My kid is interested in the 13 foot version... :thumbup:
He figures that he can easily tow it with his AWD Infinity. (G37)
Perhaps. I got the Scamp to tow easily with our Honda Odyssey, which has 3500# towing capacity. I figured at 1800# dry weight, the 16' Scamp would be no issue. I didn't count on that being without the a/c, awning, propane, etc. As presently configured, I have 1200# on each wheel and 450# on the hitch.

[Bob Denman]

Carrying that much weight on the nose should make it tow pretty steady. :thumbup:
(over 18%...)

[UtahPete]

Carrying that much weight on the nose should make it tow pretty steady. :thumbup: (over 18%...)
That, and the Arrow no-sway hitch has eliminated any concerns and problems we had with it when we first got it.

[Bob Denman]

:thumbup:

[UtahPete]

We crossed the border into Canada a week ago today at International Falls in Minnesota.

The first night we had a reserved spot at a provincial park and two nights ago we were at a lovely private campground (Camping Horizon) east of St. Jerome, Quebec. We had one night at a small provincial park in Rossport, right on the shores of Lake Superior.

The other nights have been boondocking, either at a host private property (2 nights), or on public lands. The night at Scenic High Falls in Wawa was amazing. Last night we pulled off the highway near Saguenay, Quebec and camped on a forest road. The only other person we've seen here is a guy picking wild raspberries.

People have been great everwhere we go.

I will post pictures once we have a free internet connection.

[UtahPete]

We spent last night boondocking in a beautiful public rest area on the river south of Saguenay. People just pull off the road onto the lawn here and camp. It's not a problem and it's not crowded although it's a weekend. Amazing.

[UtahPete]

Our campsite for 2 days on the Northumberland Coast of Nova Scotia. We're loving it.
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[Bob Denman]

:clap: That looks positively idyllic! :2thumbs: