Washable oil filter

[rays hell]

I just found out today about a washable oil filter. After a little research found that K&P Engineering make one for each of the
Rotax engines. The S81 is for the 1330.
I'm curious if anyone has had any knowledge or experience.

[SpyderAnn01]

I have had a K & N filter in my 1330 for 2 years now.

[PistonBlown]

I have had a K & N filter in my 1330 for 2 years now.

Do you have it just to save money (I know you do a few miles) or is there a efficiency benefit as well?

These have just started being sold over here and so I was wondering what the benefits are but there doesn't seem to be much info.

I change my oil filter and oil more often than the schedule just because of the sort of riding I do, so cost wise it makes sense.

[Crisis]

I just found out today about a washable oil filter. After a little research found that K&P Engineering make one for each of the
Rotax engines. The S81 is for the 1330.
I'm curious if anyone has had any knowledge or experience.

I you sure you don't mean "air filter"?

[BoilerAnimal]

It's an oil filter.

http://kandpengineering.com/s81/

[oldguyinTX]

I have one in my RT right now. So far, so good. I believe that they are working on developing one for the tranny as well for both engines.

http://www.drainplugmagnets.com/canamspyder.php

[KX5062]

I just found out today about a washable oil filter. After a little research found that K&P Engineering make one for each of the
Rotax engines. The S81 is for the 1330.
I'm curious if anyone has had any knowledge or experience.

Yes to both questions, just not in a Spyder. The technology has been around for years. They are a very good alternative. They are messy to clean, but they filter well and work as advertised. They're expensive to purchase, but if you plan on keeping your bike for a while they are very cost effective. The easiest and best method for cleaning is with mineral spirits or similar, you don't use gasoline. Rinse, dry, re-install, repeat. :thumbup:

[Highwayman2013]

I don't have one but if I try it I would do oil analysis with a regular and then the reusable filter to see the difference at the same mileage. If you can do oil changes at 9,300 on the 1330 I'm not sure of the benefits unless it filters better.

[Grandpot]

It seems like a lot of work to try to save a buck.

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

I would have serious concerns about this filter meeting - WARRANTY REQUIREMENTS .... I think BRP could easily make a case for denial ...... and I'm a strong believer in Moss-Magnussen ............... jmho .... Mike :thumbup:

[Chupaca]

I find for an item of such importance to your rather expensive motor why cut corners. If on the otherhand it does a way better job than a new filter by all means go for it. I will stick with a new filter with every oil change...

[Crisis]

I find for an item of such importance to your rather expensive motor why cut corners. If on the otherhand it does a way better job than a new filter by all means go for it. I will stick with a new filter with every oil change...

:agree:

[Beachbum]

I'll stay with the BRP filter,"O"-rings and washers. No K&N products on my Spyder.

[rays hell]

I'll stay with the BRP filter,"O"-rings and washers. No K&N products on my Spyder.

It's not K&N.

[SNOOPY]

Reusable OIL filter ???? :yikes:


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[bcer960]

Reusable OIL filter ???? :yikes:


.

I had one on my Honda ST1300 for years. They work great, and, at least for the Honda, needed less pressure to get the oil through. Clean up is easy with some guzzoline. (Gas)

[SpyderAnn01]

I you sure you don't mean "air filter"?

I thought he meant an air filter too.

[PW2013STL]

I ran a K&P (transferred from one to the other at trade in) in my Harley's for years and 1000's of miles with great results. I liked how I was able to see anything that was trapped by the filter. One time I found a very small orange piece in the filter and as I was trying to think of what in the motor would be orange I looked over and there was my orange funnel that I use to fill the bike with oil. It was a small shaving from that funnel.

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[*=left]Consistent filtering across entire filter surface
[*=left]Superior ASTMF316 filtration performance
[*=left]7 times the flow of comparable paper oil filters
[*=left]Magnetic Prefiltering
[*=left]Billet aluminum filter case doubles as an oil cooler
[*=left]Progressive rate bypass combined with high flow characteristics of the filter media avoids unfiltered oil bypassing the filter during cold startup and high rpm
[*=left]No more cutting apart messy paper filters for trapped debris inspection
[*=left]Proven in Motorsports, Military and Aerospace applications for years
[*=left]No more oily paper filters to the landfills

May be the last oil filter you’ll buy
“Inspect, Clean, Reuse”





Unique Design, Top Quality Materials and ConstructionThe K&P Engineering filter element is made from medical grade, type 304 stainless steel micronic filter cloth to provide unmatched protection against oil contamination and resultant engine damage. A one inch square of this material flows an incredible 1.9 gallons of oil per minute at only 1 PSI pump pressure. The adhesive used in the filter assembly process is good to 600 degrees Fahrenheit, far above normal engine operating temperatures. A super strength nickel-plated neodymium rare earth magnet is installed in the top of the element for magnetic pre-filtering of the oil. The sophisticated bypass is engineered for proper differential pressures and consistent operation, delivering a greater percentage of filtered oil while being very easy to clean. The twist lock design assures positive filter element placement and allows for easy disassembly, inspection and cleaning. The quad-ring gasket doubles the seal between the filter and the engine. Finally, the filter housing is carved out of a solid chunk of 6061T6 billet aluminum, which not only looks trick but aids in dissipating heat.







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[Mazo EMS2]

I'm good with spending $75 each fall to do the oil/filter change the traditional way.

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[*=left]Consistent filtering across entire filter surface
[*=left]Superior ASTMF316 filtration performance
[*=left]7 times the flow of comparable paper oil filters
[*=left]Magnetic Prefiltering
[*=left]Billet aluminum filter case doubles as an oil cooler
[*=left]Progressive rate bypass combined with high flow characteristics of the filter media avoids unfiltered oil bypassing the filter during cold startup and high rpm
[*=left]No more cutting apart messy paper filters for trapped debris inspection
[*=left]Proven in Motorsports, Military and Aerospace applications for years
[*=left]No more oily paper filters to the landfills

May be the last oil filter you’ll buy
“Inspect, Clean, Reuse”





Unique Design, Top Quality Materials and ConstructionThe K&P Engineering filter element is made from medical grade, type 304 stainless steel micronic filter cloth to provide unmatched protection against oil contamination and resultant engine damage. A one inch square of this material flows an incredible 1.9 gallons of oil per minute at only 1 PSI pump pressure. The adhesive used in the filter assembly process is good to 600 degrees Fahrenheit, far above normal engine operating temperatures. A super strength nickel-plated neodymium rare earth magnet is installed in the top of the element for magnetic pre-filtering of the oil. The sophisticated bypass is engineered for proper differential pressures and consistent operation, delivering a greater percentage of filtered oil while being very easy to clean. The twist lock design assures positive filter element placement and allows for easy disassembly, inspection and cleaning. The quad-ring gasket doubles the seal between the filter and the engine. Finally, the filter housing is carved out of a solid chunk of 6061T6 billet aluminum, which not only looks trick but aids in dissipating heat.








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Those are impressive specs. I'd love to know what BRP thinks of them. Come to think of it, they are not going to recommend them simply because it's impossible to know how well the Spyder owner maintained the cleaning schedule of the filter. So, I guess that would be my concern- warranty issues. I do use K&N air filters in my two-wheeler and off-road vehicle, but hadn't considered oil filters. Something to think about.

[UtahPete]

I just found out today about a washable oil filter. After a little research found that K&P Engineering make one for each of the
Rotax engines. The S81 is for the 1330.
I'm curious if anyone has had any knowledge or experience.

I'm glad you posted this. It got me to thinking about the value of greater filtering efficiency and oil flow as a benefit to engine life.

At $79 MSRP, it's not cheap, but neither is an engine replacement or overhaul. Compared to what the average rider spends on 'farkles', it sounds cheap!

http://kandpengineering.com/s81/

[rays hell]

FAA approved impresses me. Which would fail easier, paper or stainless steel mesh ?
Better flow during cold start ups and approx. 5 more hp.
Hmmm.

[Highwayman2013]

[QUOTE=rays hell;1263796]FAA approved impresses me. Which would fail easier, paper or stainless steel mesh ?
Better flow during cold start ups and approx. 5 more hp.
Hmmm.[/QUOTE Looks like I could buy 6 regular filter kits from Bajaron for the cost of that filter, That would put me around 50,000 miles counting the first one at 3,000 miles or 55,800 miles at 9,300. Someone should try it and post the analysis reports.

[PistonBlown]

I find for an item of such importance to your rather expensive motor why cut corners. If on the otherhand it does a way better job than a new filter by all means go for it. I will stick with a new filter with every oil change...

That's kind of where I was going with my question. If its just a cost thing then I'd rather keep with the HiFlo ones. I've seen some claims by the person selling the washable ones here saying they are higher flow while at the same time being better at filtering. To my non-engineer mind those two claims seem to contradict each other to because if the oil can flow faster surely it's because there is less filtering (i.e. the 'holes' are bigger)?

To me oil and filter changes are the cheapest way to keep an engine happy and I always do mine more frequently than the service manual says

I can see the advantage if your travelling off the beaten track where getting hold of service parts may be an issue. Perhaps when I do my Shanghai to Lisbon trip I'll need one but even then it would only save carrying 5 or 6 oil filters:-)

[KX5062]

Seems to be a lot of misinformation about stainless steel mesh filters. They do flow better than paper media because they're consistent size holes. Paper elements are by their nature are very inconsistent in their pass through abilities. The micron ratings of paper element filters are approximations and not constant.

The biggest potential upside is their ability to filter contaminated oil. If you're water pump fails and your oil becomes contaminated with coolant it will immediately clog your oil filter. Paper elements will become completely clogged, stainless steel mesh has no such reaction and will continue to filter as normal.

The biggest downside is they are messy and hard to clean, but they do last literally forever.

I don't have a dog in this hunt, but they are well established and proven technology.

[Mazo EMS2]

So, when cleaning one of these "washable filters" what do you use to clean it, where do you clean it, and then what do you do with the solvent/cleaner/oil mix mess? I can't imagine it would be considered waste oil at that point...If anything, now ya have a container with hazardous material in it.:shocked:

[fatboy]

use it to kill weeds

[bcer960]

use it to kill weeds


Yep

[Samson]

I always change my bike oil and filters at about 3000 miles max. I would have concerns that a washable filter not be cleaned properly after several oil changes and allowing dirt etc to float around the engine. I have seen the washable , re usable air filter for home hvac almost completely clogged and the owners are very proud that they have spent $99 on the better re usable filter but its clogged up.

[KX5062]

So, when cleaning one of these "washable filters" what do you use to clean it, where do you clean it, and then what do you do with the solvent/cleaner/oil mix mess? I can't imagine it would be considered waste oil at that point...If anything, now ya have a container with hazardous material in it.:shocked:

They usually recommend paint thinner or mineral spirits. It doesn't take that much to clean it. Just a gentle rinsing and then blow it dry with an air compressor.

What I did when I had motorcycles so equipped was to mix the mineral spirits with the waste oil and then dispose of it via recycling.

[fencepost]

I've used them on 3 Harley's and have it in both our F3's, Micron filtering is constent with the K & P which is not the case with paper oil filters.

[T.P.]

Spyder 998
09-16
S81 (http://kandpengineering.com/s81/)


Spyder 1330
15-16
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On their APPLICATION CHART

It states that both engines take the same filter

That is NOT CORRECT!!

T.P.