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09-26-2012, 05:15 PM
#151
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09-26-2012, 08:58 PM
#152
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09-27-2012, 07:04 AM
#153
Originally Posted by prmurat
Please Honda/Yamaha/Kawasaki get on the 3 wheelers niche!!!
You forgot BMW, that's quite an oversight.
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09-27-2012, 07:25 AM
#154
Doru the Destroyer-Spyder Photo Investigator
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09-27-2012, 08:11 AM
#155
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09-27-2012, 09:34 AM
#156
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09-27-2012, 09:49 AM
#157
Where then any mods to the trailer? Bigger wheels, matching spoke count, bigger engine
harry
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09-27-2012, 10:17 AM
#158
I recall some conversation in here regarding the fact that the 622 was originally being mocked-up with 15" wheels...
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09-27-2012, 10:19 AM
#159
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09-27-2012, 10:54 AM
#160
Oh, and regarding the adjustable handlebars... I dunno.
They look (and sound) very neat. BUT, how often does one need to adjust the handlebars? I needed something better than the stock RS handlebar position so I got risers. I installed them, I rode with a couple different settings, and once I had them dialed in, that was that, I haven't touched them since.
Difference is, I paid $150 for my risers (which still wouldn't work on an RT), whereas the adjustable handlebars are $650 or more!!
Anyway, I spent some time "building" Spyders on the BRP site and all I can say is the price inflation for Spyder accessories is ridiculous. I make good money, I save good money, I love riding and love getting value for my dollar but when I can price out an RT with a *modest* amount of accessories for over $35,000 (before I add the $5K trailer!)... that's insane.
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09-27-2012, 10:57 AM
#161
Originally Posted by daveinva
Oh, and regarding the adjustable handlebars... I dunno.
They look (and sound) very neat. BUT, how often does one need to adjust the handlebars?
let me explain, the reason they are "adjustable" is because what works for you doesn't work for everybody so if they come "adjustable" a customer can adjust then to their liking and leave them there, simple really and just like having adjustable seats and steering in your car its not that you will adjust them all the time its just nice to get them where you want them!
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09-27-2012, 11:29 AM
#162
Just ordered 2013 RT Limited, Bronze with Brown seat. Presently have 2010 RT Limited with 22k miles and have loved it. Thank you Lamont for this post, got the 2013 because of your excitment, especially the improved front end.
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09-27-2012, 12:25 PM
#163
Originally Posted by daveinva
Difference is, I paid $150 for my risers (which still wouldn't work on an RT), whereas the adjustable handlebars are $650 or more!!
Anyway, I spent some time "building" Spyders on the BRP site and all I can say is the price inflation for Spyder accessories is ridiculous. I make good money, I save good money, I love riding and love getting value for my dollar but when I can price out an RT with a *modest* amount of accessories for over $35,000 (before I add the $5K trailer!)... that's insane.
yeah, I just priced one and the addon pricing is obscene...
$99 for a license plate cover? seriously???
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09-27-2012, 12:36 PM
#164
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I don't know what it is about the new model year that brings out so much uninformed speculation. Just the nature of the beast I suppose. Eventually, the sideways rumors will give way to fact and the situation will resolve itself.
Unfortunatly, the product (in this case the new Spyder line) may take an undeserved beating in the interim.
Originally Posted by Sarge707
Thats True Scotty But the ST is 160 pounds heavier and 6 HP less than the GS/RS so I think its evident the RS is still the performance vehicle of the Musclecraft division.
In fact, If the figures and Not printed wrong the 2013 RS is 100 (798 vs 698) Pounds heavier than the Old GS/RS??
Whats up with that???
Logical, and on paper I would tend to agree with you. Heavier (if that is in fact true) with less HP usually means a slower vehicle. But not always. Since most of us have not had the chance to ride the 2013's, paper is all we have to go on, except for the opinion of those who have ridden them.
The key here is that there is more to locomotion than horse power & weight when comparing old Spyder to new Spyder. Torque and power band also come into play. Those that have ridden the 2013's say they go better. Time will tell.
Originally Posted by Lamonster
You can read into that what you want but I've never been left behind by an RS on my RT pulling a trailer. Ask Spyderpops or BajaRon if the extra weight and less hp more torque is a factor. I've ridden thousands of miles with both those guys.
I have ridden with Lamont for many miles. Started with the Valkyrie, then the M109R and now my RS and him on his RT (usually pulling a trailer). I have never had to wait for him whether it's off the line or in the mountain twisties. I actually think that in some conditions that trailer gives him an advantage.
Nearly everyone would like more power, but Lamont seems to be able to get his RT to go just fine. And he is very happy with the power of the new Spyders.
Originally Posted by Spyder777
No disrespect Lamont but,,,,
Most people on this forum think that going over 5,000 rpm is crazy so it shouldn't be too hard to keep up with them.
(Revised) Ok, re-reading this I see where you're coming from. Still there are many Spyder riders that don't mind getting with the program and running the RPM up. I don't think Lamont was talking about keeping up with slow riders. But I apologize for mis-reading this the 1st time. My response was not appropriate.
I've ridden with a number of Spyderlovers who are pretty good. SpyderPops, Doc, Seth-O and others (All RS riders). I don't consider myself 'Easy to keep up with', but even if I were, these other guys are not. And Lamont on his RT has no trouble keeping up. As a matter of fact, it's more like the other way around.
Originally Posted by Spyder777
You can't tell us that a new machine with 100 -160 lbs of extra weight is going to perform better than our now retro 106 hp beasts that BRP used to manufacture.
Well, of course he can, and I'm thinking he did or we would not be having the conversation. Here is my perspective.
When Lamont came back from his test riding week he told me that the new Spyder line was very impressive with a lot of real world improvements. Lamont has ridden a lot of bikes and he has a great amount of background to measure things by. Why else would BRP want his imput? (They sure didn't ask me!)
Lamont isn't a RAH-RAH kind of guy. When he gets excited about something, it means something. Now it's just his opinion and yours may vary. But his opinion is a very good starting point. Believe me, if Lamont didn't like what BRP was doing with the Spyder he would NOT be pumping it up. And I am very serious when I say this. It isn't like I met Lamont yesteday and I can tell you he's never changed his story to make someone happy.
So keep the speculation and good questions coming. But don't call it till you've ridden it.
Lamont's ridden it, he likes it, and he says the new Spyders have good power. I'm not saying you should take his word for it, just that you might want to ride one BEFORE you say he's wrong.
Last edited by BajaRon; 09-27-2012 at 01:07 PM.
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09-27-2012, 01:00 PM
#165
Shot at the timid
My statement was not a shot at Lamont as I believe everything you say. My comment was a shot at a forum filled with people who shift between 4k-5k rpm. That means that they are not riding over 5,000 rpm very often.
Personally, I never shift before 6k and when we are power riding the side road twisties and the mountains I am cruising above 6k and shifting around 8k. I try to always keep my Spyder turning more than 5,000 rpm.
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09-27-2012, 01:04 PM
#166
SpyderLovers Sponsor
Originally Posted by Spyder777
My statement was not a shot at Lamont as I believe everything you say. My comment was a shot at a forum filled with people who shift between 4k-5k rpm. That means that they are not riding over 5,000 rpm very often.
Personally, I never shift before 6k and when we are power riding the side road twisties and the mountains I am cruising above 6k and shifting around 8k. I try to always keep my Spyder turning more than 5,000 rpm.
Ok, I must have gotten the wrong impression from your previous post.
There really is no single perfect shift point. Circumstances change and so does the desirable shift point. But from what I've read here on the forum, shifting at a too low RPM seems to be an issue.
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09-27-2012, 03:31 PM
#167
Originally Posted by bloke
let me explain, the reason they are "adjustable" is because what works for you doesn't work for everybody so if they come "adjustable" a customer can adjust then to their liking and leave them there, simple really and just like having adjustable seats and steering in your car its not that you will adjust them all the time its just nice to get them where you want them!
Ummm, let ME explain
I wasn't criticizing the need to adjust the handlebars-- OF COURSE they need to be adjusted, a guy (which guy? THIS guy) who purchased and installed risers is well aware of the need to find something that works for himself.
But like I said, I was able to get myself all nice and set for under $150 (the nicest risers out there are $250). Sure, it's not as polished as the BRP adjustable handlebars (which *are* gorgeous), but it's also not $650 to start. ($800 for the chrome ones!).
For something that's set so infrequently, and once set rarely if ever changed, that's an awful lot of extra money to pay for an accessory, however handsomely designed. THAT'S my criticism.
Edit: I *will* say that it's a great accessory for those who share their Spyder in the household-- it'd make swapping rides with your spouse/significant other that much easier.
But for a solo owner? Yeesh, that's serious coin for a doodad.
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09-27-2012, 03:42 PM
#168
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Originally Posted by daveinva
Ummm, let ME explain
I wasn't criticizing the need to adjust the handlebars-- OF COURSE they need to be adjusted, a guy (which guy? THIS guy) who purchased and installed risers is well aware of the need to find something that works for himself.
But like I said, I was able to get myself all nice and set for under $150 (the nicest risers out there are $250). Sure, it's not as polished as the BRP adjustable handlebars (which *are* gorgeous), but it's also not $650 to start. ($800 for the chrome ones!).
For something that's set so infrequently, and once set rarely if ever changed, that's an awful lot of extra money to pay for an accessory, however handsomely designed. THAT'S my criticism.
Edit: I *will* say that it's a great accessory for those who share their Spyder in the household-- it'd make swapping rides with your spouse/significant other that much easier.
But for a solo owner? Yeesh, that's serious coin for a doodad.
Some dealer options are, I agree, pretty worthless. Those usually go away.
Still, one man's 'Doo-Dadd is another man's... Well, you get the point. The thing is, this may seem like a rediculous option to you but I can guarantee that more than a few will be very happy with it. Those that aren't have the aftermarket options.
I'd say it's a good step for BRP. Spendy, yes, but you don't have to pay it if you don't want to.
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09-27-2012, 04:47 PM
#169
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09-27-2012, 06:10 PM
#170
My thoughts on the new adjustable Handlebar... That it either comes with new cables (No idea just saying) or it proves they left enough slack in the cables for the Aftermarket to take a fresh look at this now that they have an example, and a price point...
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09-27-2012, 08:50 PM
#171
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09-29-2012, 01:02 PM
#172
Interesting but not for 2 up riding
The ST looks great (from the pictures), and I like the more upright seat position. I have a 2012 RT-S and my wife frequently rides with me. Unless I am mistaken, it looks like the ST would not make a great 2-up machine. The rear seat of the RT is very comfortable. Perhaps its a good thing since I like having the newest toys, and overall the ST looks great. I guess I will have to get some aftermarket shocks to try and make the RT handle a bit better.
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09-30-2012, 05:38 AM
#173
My 2 cents
I really like the changes made, BUT I wish they had done something with heat management and Belt vibration. Maybe next year.
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