IPS question

[AY4B]

I have been wondering how someone can just leave the key on the bike and walk away thinking no one will know how to start it. It dawned on me that I could keep a key in it without the chip and keep the real key in my pocket. Will this work?

[AY4B]

Maybe this is how everyone does it anyway and I just have not figured it out.

[RinconRyder]

I have been wondering how someone can just leave the key on the bike and walk away thinking no one will know how to start it. It dawned on me that I could keep a key in it without the chip and keep the real key in my pocket. Will this work?

Why would you spend significant dollars on a key without the chip?

You ever think a prospective thief would spy your key in the ignition and either break it off in a fit of rage after the trike would not start? And why invite someone to try to steal it? Good invitation for road rage.

[AY4B]

Some folks get blank keys made for if they leave their key in the frunk and hide them somwhere on the spyder.

[AY4B]

This would basically make the key a fob like you use on a Harley.

[AY4B]

I guess my question could be does the chipped key have to be in the ignition or just on the bike? If I can leave the chipped key in my pocket, It would make having an un chipped IPS key more attractive.

[UtahPete]

I guess my question could be does the chipped key have to be in the ignition or just on the bike? If I can leave the chipped key in my pocket, It would make having an un chipped IPS key more attractive.

I think there's a distance limitation. Not sure what it is though.

[Blue Star]

I have been wondering how someone can just leave the key on the bike and walk away thinking no one will know how to start it. It dawned on me that I could keep a key in it without the chip and keep the real key in my pocket. Will this work?

Thus the reason I will never use an IPS for my key. Heck, I don't even leave my key in the ignition when the Spyder is parked in my garage

[TicketBait]

I have been wondering how someone can just leave the key on the bike and walk away thinking no one will know how to start it. It dawned on me that I could keep a key in it without the chip and keep the real key in my pocket. Will this work?

random thoughts jmo

I leave my IPS in the vehicle all the time when I go to the grocery store or run errands around town. Have never heard on here where one was stolen. Did have pre IPS where my key fell down in the collar and needed to use some MacGyverr ingenuity with a pencil and some gum to retrieve my key. No worries of that happening with the IPS. When I go to the mall I just take the whole gizmo with me.

Most people don't know about our machine let alone how to start her, accept if there was just a key left in the ignition. This "In Plain Sight" detracts from saying start me. Then on top of that you would want to commit a felony, and if you were being tracked by Helicopters and trying to evade police the visual of a Spyder on the run would be priceless....................however I digress.

Heck when I run into the post office I keep the Spyder running- Go ahead have at her, see if you can figure out how to ride her and shift and if you can, don't bring her back cuz my insurance will pay me more than I could get

[Blue Star]

Most people don't know about our machine let alone how to start her, accept if there was just a key left in the ignition. This "In Plain Sight" detracts from saying start me. Then on top of that you would want to commit a felony, and if you were being tracked by Helicopters and trying to evade police the visual of a Spyder on the run would be priceless....................however I digress.

Several years ago when I still had my RS, and working on a project with some higher-ups from corporate office. Darius (from corporate office) told me how he misses his bike (two-wheeler), as riding season is just starting in Ohio where he is from. I asked him if he wanted to take the Spyder for a spin? He said sure, so I toss him my keys. He walks out, as I went to get my helmet for him to use. I walk out just in time to see him take off (long building fenced off) heading to the end, and back. When he got back I asked him "you figured out how to start it?" His reply was, "followed the direction's on the screen, but almost hit the fence when I realized there was no hand brake." He was experienced enough to down shift to slow down, and made the U-turn. Mind you, other than seeing them on the road he had no experience ryding them, or how they operate.

While not everyone can figure it out, but it can happen. Thus, why I won't leave my key in the ignition.

[billybovine]

The range of the transponder in the the ignition keys that BRP uses by my testing is maybe 2 inches, tops. But to reliably work I would say maybe an inch. The reason is simple. There is no battery in the key that will allow enough power to transmit any farther. If you want to test it for yourself. For models 2013 and earlier. Turn the ignition switch on with a dummy key. The fuel pump will not run. Slowly move the OE key towards the dummy key. When you hear the fuel pump. That is when the transponder is recognised. Not sure if this will work with a 2014 or later. That is because it will give up looking for the key in a lot less time.

You may be thinking how does a transponder without power transmit anything. It gets its power from a electromagnetic pulse from the antenna that is wrapped around the barrel of the ignition switch. The same antenna that receives the response from the transponder. So when the ignition key is first turned on. The pulse goes out to the key. The transponder then converts that pulse into a tiny amount of power and responds by sending a code. The Spyder will keep doing this cycle until it receives a valid code or times out. 2013 and earlier will time out about 30 seconds. 2014 and later maybe 3 or 4 seconds. The only time there is any communication between the key and the Spyder is when the Spyder ignition switch is first turned on.

PS I think it would be a great idea if BRP went with fob instead of a key.

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

Being an X-LEO my thinking heads toward the LEGALITIES ...... if your Spyder using the IPS device gets stolen and your Insurance carrier finds this out ( I\and it very well could be mentioned in the officer's Theft Report ) and they decide you were CULPABLE in it's theft .... annnnnnnnnnnd they decide to either NOT pay the claim or lower their PAYOUT ...... How much are you willing to spend ( in legal fee's ) to fight them and Demand FULL payment ......... just something to consider ..... and to answer comments made by the former JAG attorney ...... ALL Lawyers are " Officers of the Court " ( system ) and filing a Lawsuit that is Frivolous based on FACTS the Lawyer knows to be Un-true can get them BARRED ............Mike

[al0vely]

With Google all things are possible - I am not offering my Spyder up for free with the IPS key holder on the bike. I’ve never understood why people pay for some of these inventions.

[Peteoz]

I have the IPS, it’s a clever product, but I don’t use it any more. Since I have to have my hand on the key to turn the F3 off (and back on), I find it just as easy to pull the key out at the same time and pop it in my pocket.

I was quite happy to leave the IPS in the F3 when I was away from the bike briefly, but just found it was too bulky to take with me when I’m away from the F3 for an extended period.

Even with the IPS left in the F3 you still have to reach forward to turn it on.....it’s just as easy to pull the key out of your pocket, reach forward and slip it into the ignition and turn the F3 on, so for me it had no real upside.

Pete