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 Originally Posted by NewRider
"Never criticize another man, until you have walked a mile in his shoes".
If you haven't ridden one, who are some of you to pop off the usual bigoted "if it's Chinese, it must be crap" malarkey? They may well be quite nice little machines. 
Ok, I'm curious if anyone has had a Chinese manufactured ATV, Motorcycle, Scooter, etc that has stood the test of time.
I've been burned bad on a kids ATV and a few of my friends and brother have as well. My kids ATV started falling apart after the first ride, and it ate 2 pistons/rings in the first year. The distributer bailed after dumping a bunch of them on the market. I paid $1400 for it in addition to putting in a lot of hours/parts (took for ever to find parts) only to sell it for $200 after 1 year.
For comparison, I paid $800 for a used 1986 Honda 200SX in 2002 and the thing ran solid for over 5 years before the kids grew out of it and I sold it for $600 to a friend.
Don't get me wrong, I really am curious if the quality has come up any since my experiences.
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I'd buy one for $2500 and give it to my son instesd of a go cart...
But since I don't have a son to bad! I'll take one in pink... "Barbie Spyder"
Next you'll see an Chinese version of Magic Man accessories, called Miso Magic Man...
Miso funny
Last edited by Motza; 08-31-2009 at 08:31 PM.
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You haven't seen any yet have you. They are held up at their boarder and not being shipped. Problem with manufacturing, not being allowed out of the country is my understanding. Had a dealer here have two on order for months and can't get them delivered and can't get his money back. He was laughing at me for buying the spyder and paying so much for one. Hate to say it but who is laughing now.
Ed
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I currently have 2 Chinese and 1 Taiwanese scooter. They are all built on the same basic floorpan. One Chinese is a 150cc aircooled (i've had 2 others), one is a 150cc water cooled and the Taiwanese is a 250cc water cooled. I've also had (and just recently sold) a Japanese (80's) Yamaha 180 scooter and Yamaha 50cc and a Chinese 50cc scooter.
Of all, the Taiwanese (Kymco) and the Yamaha's were the best built, but the Chinese weren't bad. The primary problem with the Chinese bikes is QA. You'd receive them and bolts would be loose, wiring kind of shoddy and overall not as good a fit and finish as the Japanese and Tiawanese bikes, which are top notch. Apparently they all follow the same basic design, borrowed from 80's Yamaha and Hondas that they were licenesed to build for in country use. THe parts, instead of coming from big suppliers, come from small mom and pop shops, all made to fit the common platform. So, the quality of a particular brand of Chinese bike (even though the parts are almost all interchangeable) is wholly dependent upon who the assembler (who ultimately sells to the US sellers) uses as his parts suppliers and how good their QA is.
I'm sure this new Spyder clone is built with the same basic parts as the 2 wheeled 250's - A GY6 engine/CVT transmission/rear wheel assembly all as a single unit, pivoting around the frame mount with shock/s to the frame. All they've changed is the front half of the frame adding a-arms and steering. (Yes, the entire engine, tranny and rear wheel are live, unsprung weight)
I sure wouldn't pay $7,000 for this. The quality and value of the drive train just doesn't support it. The standard Chinese 2 wheel 250's go for between $1.5 and 2.5k... If this was available for maybe $3k, I'd consider it just so my G/F could have something to ride along with me once in a while.
Until then, I guess I'm saving up for another Spyder for her.
Last edited by QuadManiac; 08-31-2009 at 08:32 PM.
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Originally Posted by SpyderKev
Ok, I'm curious if anyone has had a Chinese manufactured ATV, Motorcycle, Scooter, etc that has stood the test of time.
I've been burned bad on a kids ATV and a few of my friends and brother have as well. My kids ATV started falling apart after the first ride, and it ate 2 pistons/rings in the first year. The distributer bailed after dumping a bunch of them on the market. I paid $1400 for it in addition to putting in a lot of hours/parts (took for ever to find parts) only to sell it for $200 after 1 year.
For comparison, I paid $800 for a used 1986 Honda 200SX in 2002 and the thing ran solid for over 5 years before the kids grew out of it and I sold it for $600 to a friend.
Don't get me wrong, I really am curious if the quality has come up any since my experiences.
I had a QLink 150cc Scooter prior to my Spyder. I really did like it and I rode it everywhere. It worked just fine. I actually was looking to upgrade to a larger scooter when we came across the spyder. I had a very good experience and for the price, it fit my needs. Just like the spyder, the dealership has a lot to do with it. I could have purchased a much cheaper version of the scooter on line but I wanted to get one from a real dealership. I used the same dealership that I have currently for my spyder. I had a little bit of work on the scooter but it was all under warranty. Never put out any extra money for it. I changed the oil regularly and took care of it. I can see why people would purchase these chinese knock offs. It you can't afford more you made do with what you can afford. If you take care of it and work with reputable people, it usually works out to your advantage. I am sure there are plenty of horror stories but hey, look at the outsider that reads our forum. What do you think is going through his mind about the spyder. Anyway, I love my spyder way better than my scooter but I did have a good experience and that is what the question was.
With Christ all things are possible, so live life with no fears and no worries.
Happy Ex Owner, Hopefully future Spyder owner again.
Pastor Deb Tangen, Missions Director and short term missionary.
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My riding lawn mower has more horsepower.
But the 80mpg would be nice.
Maybe I could use it as a winter beater!
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So does my riding mower!
Originally Posted by jvicker
My riding lawn mower has more horsepower.
Mine to!
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for example
my dad just got a cvt 250 liquid cooled china made rig with the old tooling honda motor he gave 900 bucks it looks good runs good starts right up and get around 70 mpg with him on it he is about 5' 10" 280 lbs
but it will barely go 70 and it is wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyy lighter than this thing
also it does not say anything (if i remember correctly) about power steering
that thing will be a beast to turn and it is at most going to be pushing 50 mph
and we all know that this thing will be colored plastic (not painted)
so just like they say you get what you pay for
btw his is a mp250 used with 900 miles it has a radio and key faub remote start and front and rear storage it was truly a bargain if he even gets 1000 miles out of her
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The other concerning factor is the narrower width of it. It's 48" vs the Spyder's 59". I imagine this thing would flip easily if you had to swerve. 
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Originally Posted by SpyderKev
The other concerning factor is the narrower width of it. It's 48" vs the Spyder's 59". I imagine this thing would flip easily if you had to swerve.
AND I seriously doubt it has any form of nanny... some of the newest large Chinese scooters do have simple anti-lock brakes, but that's all I would expect here. I'd bet that it will do 0-60 in the 12-15 second regime; It's not gonna be a speedster... BUT it will go fast enough in turns to get you into trouble.
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Originally Posted by dltang
I had a QLink 150cc Scooter prior to my Spyder. I really did like it and I rode it everywhere. It worked just fine. I actually was looking to upgrade to a larger scooter when we came across the spyder. I had a very good experience and for the price, it fit my needs. Just like the spyder, the dealership has a lot to do with it. I could have purchased a much cheaper version of the scooter on line but I wanted to get one from a real dealership. I used the same dealership that I have currently for my spyder. I had a little bit of work on the scooter but it was all under warranty. Never put out any extra money for it. I changed the oil regularly and took care of it. I can see why people would purchase these chinese knock offs. It you can't afford more you made do with what you can afford. If you take care of it and work with reputable people, it usually works out to your advantage. I am sure there are plenty of horror stories but hey, look at the outsider that reads our forum. What do you think is going through his mind about the spyder. Anyway, I love my spyder way better than my scooter but I did have a good experience and that is what the question was.
Interesting to hear that people have had some success on the Chinese scooters. Perhaps this is more of a dirtbike/atv issue?
On my ATV's/Dirtbikes I change the oil & oil filter after every other ride with a good synthetic oil and clean/oil the air filters after every ride. I prefer to do all the engine work on the fleet, so I'm critical about maintenance. All of my families quads/bikes right now are Honda's (except the Spyder), but we've owned some from all the big 4 Japanese manufactures with great success.
Last edited by SpyderKev; 08-31-2009 at 09:43 PM.
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Originally Posted by SpyderKev
Interesting to hear that people have had some success on the Chinese scooters. Perhaps this is more of a dirtbike/atv issue?
On my ATV's/Dirtbikes I change the oil & oil filter after every other ride with a good synthetic oil and clean/oil the air filters after every ride. I prefer to do all the engine work on the fleet, so I'm critical about maintenance. All of my families quads/bikes right now are Honda's (except the Spyder), but we've owned some from all the big 4 Japanese manufactures with great success.
At the time we got it, the QLink was supposed to be the top of the line Chinese scooter. For that, we paid a $1000 + premium for it over a lot of other cheap 150cc scooters. I didn't think as much of it as dltang did but it was hers and she rode it just about anywhere she could. I would have preferred one of the Japanese scooters over the QLink but they were another $1500 (and up) more than what we paid for the QLink.
In the end, that scooter led us both to the Spyder so I guess it worked out in that respect.
Former Happy Spyder Owner
Just decided it was time to move onto other things.
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