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[BLUEKNIGHT911]

My wife and my combined weight is around 500 total lbs. And, yeah an inch in height did change the CG. You may think what you want. I did respect you. Not so much now. What a bum you have turned out to be. I am a Christian and I don't lie, bud.

....Mr. Humphreys, because I am not a " BUM " I will take the time to help you understand a few things about measurements ........But first let me say that my figure # .0005 % was just an EXAGGERATION and you have my apology for that.........However I think you were rude to say I was/am a BUM and lets leave RELIGION elsewhere OK.........I happen to have BOTH tires in question in my garage a Hydro edge 215 /60-15 & a 225 /50 -15...........I measured them side by side and you are correct the difference is approx. 1 in.........But when you mount them and put them on the Spyder it will only change the height by 1/2 in because only 1/2 inch is below the axel,,,the other 1/2 inch is ABOVE the axel and this has nothing to do with elevating the Spyder.................Plus this will only RAISE the rear of the Spyder , not the front .......To get an accurate change in the CENTER OF GRAVITY ........do this ---take two car jackstands and place them 5 1/2 ft apart ( this is the wheelbase of the Spyder + - )......now take a something 6 ft long that won't bend like angle-iron......place it on the jack stands......measure in the middle down to the ground ........now place something 1/2 thick on one of the jack stands under the angle-iron .....and measure again in the same spot ......this will give you a number that more closely reflects the CHANGE IN THE C.G. ,........How much do you think this change is going to be ??????..........I'll tell you ....It's now 1/4 inch .....Do you really think 1/4 inch change in the C.G. is going to affect the handling of your Spyder ? ? ?........................and as far as the weight thing goes at 500 lbs I think this has exceeded the what BRP recommends for the Spyder but that's for you to decide ...........................Even at that weight the springs either OEM, or ELKA , or FOX etc. are ( to best of my knowledge ) PROGRESSIVE RATE springs ......meaning they get STIFFER the more you compress them ...........So even at 500 lbs the height change in your Spyder is not as much as you might think............Your welcome .......Mikeguyver

[jcthorne]

....Mr. Humphreys, because I am not a " BUM " I will take the time to help you understand a few things about measurements ........But first let me say that my figure # .0005 % was just an EXAGGERATION and you have my apology for that.........However I think you were rude to say I was/am a BUM and lets leave RELIGION elsewhere OK.........I happen to have BOTH tires in question in my garage a Hydro edge 215 /60-15 & a 225 /50 -15...........I measured them side by side and you are correct the difference is approx. 1 in.........But when you mount them and put them on the Spyder it will only change the height by 1/2 in because only 1/2 inch is below the axel,,,the other 1/2 inch is ABOVE the axel and this has nothing to do with elevating the Spyder.................Plus this will only RAISE the rear of the Spyder , not the front .......To get an accurate change in the CENTER OF GRAVITY ........do this ---take two car jackstands and place them 5 1/2 ft apart ( this is the wheelbase of the Spyder + - )......now take a something 6 ft long that won't bend like angle-iron......place it on the jack stands......measure in the middle down to the ground ........now place something 1/2 thick on one of the jack stands under the angle-iron .....and measure again in the same spot ......this will give you a number that more closely reflects the CHANGE IN THE C.G. ,........How much do you think this change is going to be ??????..........I'll tell you ....It's now 1/4 inch .....Do you really think 1/4 inch change in the C.G. is going to affect the handling of your Spyder ? ? ?........................and as far as the weight thing goes at 500 lbs I think this has exceeded the what BRP recommends for the Spyder but that's for you to decide ...........................Even at that weight the springs either OEM, or ELKA , or FOX etc. are ( to best of my knowledge ) PROGRESSIVE RATE springs ......meaning they get STIFFER the more you compress them ...........So even at 500 lbs the height change in your Spyder is not as much as you might think............Your welcome .......Mikeguyver

Nicely reasoned and worded response. Thanks for the level head.

[Tango]

People call Netzley tire. He is a board sponsor. I'm getting my Tire mounted tomorrow or Saturday. Tom

[Bob Denman]

Nicely reasoned and worded response. Thanks for the level head.

People call Netzley tire. He is a board sponsor. I'm getting my Tire mounted tomorrow or Saturday. Tom

Tom, If it's tomorrow; stop up after you've got it!

[Tango]

Tom, If it's tomorrow; stop up after you've got it!

Will do Bob. Tom

[ThreeWheels]

People call Netzley tire. He is a board sponsor. I'm getting my Tire mounted tomorrow or Saturday. Tom

Ron is great !
He is a good guy with great service.
While you are there, I recommend you get the laser alignment, unless you have one already.
The laser alignment will go a long way to increase tire wear.
Unfortunately, he can't service the whole country.

Did I mention that Ron is good ?

[Roadster Renovations]

....Mr. Humphreys, because I am not a " BUM " I will take the time to help you understand a few things about measurements ........But first let me say that my figure # .0005 % was just an EXAGGERATION and you have my apology for that.........However I think you were rude to say I was/am a BUM and lets leave RELIGION elsewhere OK.........I happen to have BOTH tires in question in my garage a Hydro edge 215 /60-15 & a 225 /50 -15...........I measured them side by side and you are correct the difference is approx. 1 in.........But when you mount them and put them on the Spyder it will only change the height by 1/2 in because only 1/2 inch is below the axel,,,the other 1/2 inch is ABOVE the axel and this has nothing to do with elevating the Spyder.................Plus this will only RAISE the rear of the Spyder , not the front .......To get an accurate change in the CENTER OF GRAVITY ........do this ---take two car jackstands and place them 5 1/2 ft apart ( this is the wheelbase of the Spyder + - )......now take a something 6 ft long that won't bend like angle-iron......place it on the jack stands......measure in the middle down to the ground ........now place something 1/2 thick on one of the jack stands under the angle-iron .....and measure again in the same spot ......this will give you a number that more closely reflects the CHANGE IN THE C.G. ,........How much do you think this change is going to be ??????..........I'll tell you ....It's now 1/4 inch .....Do you really think 1/4 inch change in the C.G. is going to affect the handling of your Spyder ? ? ?........................and as far as the weight thing goes at 500 lbs I think this has exceeded the what BRP recommends for the Spyder but that's for you to decide ...........................Even at that weight the springs either OEM, or ELKA , or FOX etc. are ( to best of my knowledge ) PROGRESSIVE RATE springs ......meaning they get STIFFER the more you compress them ...........So even at 500 lbs the height change in your Spyder is not as much as you might think............Your welcome .......Mikeguyver

You know the sad thing is I would never presuppose to tell you that I knew more about the handling of your bike than you. You can say what you want. It did change it. That is a fact. I was running the suspension on the hardest setting and after the tire change I dropped it down to the next to the lowest setting. That probably lowered the bike enough that it actually caused it to handle better than with the OEM tire. As I said, I would not tell you about how your bike handles to you. I think that was very rude. You basically called me a liar. No other way I can look at that. And that is what makes you a bum in my book. Everyone that wants to can side with you all they want. You would not let someone tell you that you didn't know what you were talking about. And that is exactly what I did. Stood up for myself. And, as far the 500 lbs being over what the bike allows, we ask the salesman that very question before we laid out 32K for the bike. If what you say is true, that man is a liar.

[Bob Denman]

The actual rated losd capacity is 487 lbs...
I just looked it up in the owner's manual.

[Roadster Renovations]

We are right at it then. Wife has lost some weight so we are slightly below that, but I did tell the salesman 500 lbs and he sure enough said that was no problem. Thanks for looking that up.

[Bob Denman]

Glad to be able to do something useful around here...
The older RTs had a limit of 525 pounds...

[zamfield]

I must be close to that with all my gear on and bags filled!
Best only run it at half tank!!

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

You know the sad thing is I would never presuppose to tell you that I knew more about the handling of your bike than you. You can say what you want. It did change it. That is a fact. I was running the suspension on the hardest setting and after the tire change I dropped it down to the next to the lowest setting. That probably lowered the bike enough that it actually caused it to handle better than with the OEM tire. As I said, I would not tell you about how your bike handles to you. I think that was very rude. You basically called me a liar. No other way I can look at that. And that is what makes you a bum in my book. Everyone that wants to can side with you all they want. You would not let someone tell you that you didn't know what you were talking about. And that is exactly what I did. Stood up for myself. And, as far the 500 lbs being over what the bike allows, we ask the salesman that very question before we laid out 32K for the bike. If what you say is true, that man is a liar.

.......​Mr.Humphrey's I NEVER accused you of LYING in any posts I made not " BASICALLY " or even implied .......The problem as I see it is ...it's pointless to discuss or defend myself to you because YOU don't understand what you read....................I'm done with this nonsense ......Mikeguyver

[Magdave]

Give it a rest Mike. You rub a lot of people the wrong way and come up with some pretty off the chain ideas and fixes. You are far from being Scotty and could take some lessons from him on how to deal with people including cutting out the idiotic fonts and multiple emoticons. They make you look childish and some of your replies do too. Simple B&W and one or 2 emoticons will make you more credible. JMHO

[Bob Denman]

Sorry Mike...

[adlereins]

Well I'll be hornswaggled. (whatever that means) Level heads all around. Damn refreshing and what makes this the very best forum.
Allen B.\aka adlereins

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

Sorry Mike...

.......Sorry Bob , but I don't believe you

[Dan McNally]

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

Give it a rest Mike. You rub a lot of people the wrong way and come up with some pretty off the chain ideas and fixes. You are far from being Scotty and could take some lessons from him on how to deal with people including cutting out the idiotic fonts and multiple emoticons. They make you look childish and some of your replies do too. Simple B&W and one or 2 emoticons will make you more credible. JMHO

So Dave are you saying I did call him a liar ????????...................And I never ,ever ,ever , thought I was / could re-place Scotty ....or are you saying I said that too....?????

[Trooper]

...........................Even at that weight the springs either OEM, or ELKA , or FOX etc. are ( to best of my knowledge ) PROGRESSIVE RATE springs ......meaning they get STIFFER the more you compress them ...........So even at 500 lbs the height change in your Spyder is not as much as you might think............Your welcome .......Mikeguyver

You are incorrect. All manufacturers mentioned above use Linear springs in the front. There is not enough stroke available on the Spyder shocks to allow us to use progressive springs, or a dual spring rate to create a progressive spring rate. The vehicle would roll to much in the corners.

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

[QUOTE=Trooper;876290]You are incorrect. All manufacturers mentioned above use Linear springs in the front. There is not enough stroke available on the Spyder shocks to allow us to use progressive springs, or a dual spring rate to create a progressive spring rate. The vehicle would roll to much in the corners.[/QUOTE...................................Thanks for clearing this up..................I was going to delete it entirely but I can't find it now !!!!!!.............Mike

[zamfield]

Here's an update... Received a tracking number today from discount tires.com!

RESULT!!!

should have my tire on Monday.

[Pincushion]

I have 60K+ miles on Kumho Esta tires..... Not a single issue and I ryde my Spyder like I'm being chased.....