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01-26-2010, 05:31 PM
#126
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01-26-2010, 05:33 PM
#127
I don't know about lemon laws, we have one in Ill. too, but I believe there is a law regarding bringing a product to the market before it is sorted out. Something about using the owners as a develpoment source..you might check into that with the previously mention pitball attorney.
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01-26-2010, 05:37 PM
#128
Originally Posted by Magic Man
So, next question? Are they going to extend your warranty an extra 3 months to cover the time it sat in the shop?
MM
Nope, probably no extension on the factory warranty.
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01-26-2010, 06:30 PM
#129
Originally Posted by HDXBONES
After being out of service for THREE MONTHS???????
They should give you a brand new Spyder, never mind a warranty extension......
I wouldn't stand for treatment like that.
You gonna be my representative on that....or
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01-26-2010, 07:44 PM
#130
All your problems qualify w/ the CT lemon law - I don't get why every state doesn't have one.
Reasonable is 4 attempts or 30 days or more in the shop for the same repair issue. Yes it includes motorcycles.
If you don't have a lemon law, I'd be calling an attorney like right now. 12 weeks equal 1/4 of a year of it not working. That would p*ss me off.
Originally Posted by stgilmer
UPDATE:: This thursday will be 12 weeks in the shop.
So far a new DPS,new SAS,zeroed out steering and alignment done. Got a call from dealer today saying it is still throwing Check DPS. Now they are to put another DPS in.
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01-26-2010, 08:12 PM
#131
Originally Posted by Smylinacha
If you don't have a lemon law, I'd be calling an attorney like right now. 12 weeks equal 1/4 of a year of it not working.
All the attorneys in the world won't help if there are no laws against it, and you can't prove negligence or substantial monetary loss. Likely the lawyer would get most of the profits if you did prevail in court. BTW, the majority of state lemon laws do not cover motorcycles. Not fair, but until a bunch of legislators start riding motorcycles, we are probably out of luck.
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01-26-2010, 09:52 PM
#132
Well then what would it take to make all states cover mc's under a lemon law - alot of squeaky wheels! If it were my state with no lemon law for bikes, I'd be starting w/ the atty general and seeing where it leads from there. It would be a hill that I'd die on.
Originally Posted by NancysToy
All the attorneys in the world won't help if there are no laws against it, and you can't prove negligence or substantial monetary loss. Likely the lawyer would get most of the profits if you did prevail in court. BTW, the majority of state lemon laws do not cover motorcycles. Not fair, but until a bunch of legislators start riding motorcycles, we are probably out of luck.
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01-26-2010, 10:02 PM
#133
Originally Posted by HDXBONES
Just because there isn't a specific motorcycle law on the books, doesn't mean there aren't other consumer protection laws on the books.
I wouldn't quit before I started.......
$17K+ invested in a product that he can't use for 3 months and running because of a GLARING safety defect is preposterous.....I'd at least consult an attorney if I were in his shoes.......or a local TV news station.......
That approach has possibilities. Has it occurred to anyone that BRP would be ahead of the game to set aside a pool of replacement vehicles for situations like these, just to avoid bad publicity, and show they go the extra mile? Dltang, BJT, and Stgilmer deserve better...and others may, too. I understand that the factory and techs may be stymied, but they need a backup plan for those occasions.
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01-26-2010, 10:06 PM
#134
From this website: http://www.lemonjustice.com/lemon-la...rcycle_law.php
.....Georgia Lemon Law does not cover motorcycles. However, the federal Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act states that the manufacturer of any product — from your toaster to your lemon motorcycle — must abide by the warranty. Unlike the Georgia Lemon Law for new cars, which requires you to go into arbitration, you need to sue the manufacturer and/or dealer of your motorcycle in a court of law. The window of time to initiate a lawsuit is small, so speak to a Lemon Law attorney if your motorcycle has been in the shop three times for the same problem. If your case is successful, the manufacturer will have pay for attorneys' fees, so you shouldn't have to pay for representation.
As with other types of Lemon Law claims, organization is key to presenting a convincing case. Keep spotless records of every malfunction and problem you have had with your motorcycle since you bought it. Save all of the paperwork that you received every time you brought your motorcycle to be serviced. Catalog the days the motorcycle spent in the shop and out of your possession. Remember, the more organized your evidence is, the more likely it is that your attorney can win your case.
Make sure to send the manufacturer a notification letter (sample notification letter) via certified mail with a return receipt requested.......
So since in Georgia, the Lemon Law doesn't cover your Spyder but I would still think with you cataloging 90 consecutive days in the shop you could get somewhere with that and a decent atty.
Originally Posted by stgilmer
You gonna be my representative on that.... or
Last edited by Smylinacha; 01-26-2010 at 10:08 PM.
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01-26-2010, 10:17 PM
#135
Yup Yup Yup - you got that right!
Originally Posted by NancysToy
That approach has possibilities. Has it occurred to anyone that BRP would be ahead of the game to set aside a pool of replacement vehicles for situations like these, just to avoid bad publicity, and show they go the extra mile? Dltang, BJT, and Stgilmer deserve better...and others may, too. I understand that the factory and techs may be stymied, but they need a backup plan for those occasions.
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01-27-2010, 12:24 AM
#136
Originally Posted by NancysToy
just to avoid bad publicity, and show they go the extra mile? Dltang, BJT, and Stgilmer deserve better...and others may, too. I understand that the factory and techs may be stymied, but they need a backup plan for those occasions.
They have a backup plan = Give them 25 thousand dollars and they'll
sell you a new and improved ? Spyder.
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01-27-2010, 09:45 AM
#137
Very Helpful Member
Originally Posted by boborgera
They have a backup plan = Give them 25 thousand dollars and they'll
sell you a new and improved ? Spyder.
The chances of that happening are getting slimming and slimmer by the minute.
Former Happy Spyder Owner
Just decided it was time to move onto other things.
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01-27-2010, 03:09 PM
#138
Originally Posted by Smylinacha
Thanks for going to the trouble of finding that, never know if it might come in handy or not.
For all the ryders that have had theirs fixed and put up for the winter. Be Careful when getting them out this spring. If the investigation is still ongoing then how did they fix yours. Something to think about. Hopefully they did get it fixed and you are able to get out there and have a good time.
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01-27-2010, 04:36 PM
#139
I do not know if it is "truly" fixed. I got a new DPS, like others people did. not like it was explained to me WHY I locked up or WHY the new DPS would fix it. Everything has been going around in my head to faulty communication between computers, the sensors that are under the roads miscommunicating with my sensors in the bike, the ecm, the list goes on. I am NO gearhead and I wonder. Guess you can say that since it is only January, I got a couple more months to go until actual season starts so it ain't going anywhere - tucked nicely away in teh garage. I wouldn't think twice ryding it on my local rydes but no way will I be going on the highway with it full speed until I hear more about what's going on with the "fix" or whatever you wanna call it.
Originally Posted by stgilmer
Thanks for going to the trouble of finding that, never know if it might come in handy or not.
For all the ryders that have had theirs fixed and put up for the winter. Be Careful when getting them out this spring. If the investigation is still ongoing then how did they fix yours. Something to think about. Hopefully they did get it fixed and you are able to get out there and have a good time.
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01-28-2010, 11:19 AM
#140
then why are some people being charged for the fix
Originally Posted by stgilmer
I agree with you and have filed a report myself. But I don't think it will go into another recall, from what Carlo was saying was that it is under the first recall being that it was for the steering.
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01-28-2010, 12:12 PM
#141
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01-28-2010, 03:23 PM
#142
yea but if you where out of warrenty you would of have to paid???
Originally Posted by Smylinacha
Mine wasn't - dealer didn't charge me anything. It fell under the factory warranty.
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01-28-2010, 05:39 PM
#143
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01-28-2010, 05:43 PM
#144
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01-28-2010, 08:26 PM
#145
Originally Posted by stgilmer
I feel your pain
HDX good riddle, will it be a riddle that is never answered...
PROBELEY
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01-28-2010, 08:57 PM
#146
I'm thinking I would if I didn't have a warranty of any sort.
Originally Posted by czdaryle
yea but if you where out of warrenty you would of have to paid???
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01-30-2010, 01:34 PM
#147
Originally Posted by Way2Fast
Just a thought, but maybe the BRP employee (s) monitoring this forum can't come forward because by doing so they would "blow" their cover and the other members might see that perhaps some of the positive posts about the steering delima were actually made by them. Carlos...please tell us what your handle is .........curious minds would like to know.
Who do YOU work for?
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01-30-2010, 02:19 PM
#148
Originally Posted by spyryder
Who do YOU work for?
Click on my screen name to find out.
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02-10-2010, 10:03 PM
#149
can we ride it
hi there just got my 08 with 3000 miles on it maybe road it a mile it's 20' out here way to cold so in the garage.i was reading what they where saying about the steering can it be shut off and ride it with out hurting it?? maybe until they fine out whats going on or until some one takes them to court.i wanted one of these ever since i seen the first one but had to wait a few years the price was to high for me,gave up on the 2 wheel ones wanted somthing a little safer hope i didnt make a wrong choice?
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02-10-2010, 10:22 PM
#150
Originally Posted by godzilla
hi there just got my 08 with 3000 miles on it maybe road it a mile it's 20' out here way to cold so in the garage.i was reading what they where saying about the steering can it be shut off and ride it with out hurting it?? maybe until they fine out whats going on or until some one takes them to court.i wanted one of these ever since i seen the first one but had to wait a few years the price was to high for me,gave up on the 2 wheel ones wanted something a little safer hope i didnt make a wrong choice?
Depends a lot on you, your comfort level, and your feelings about your ability to handle such situations. The number of failures has been small, compared to the number of Spyders, so the odds are with you. Some of the incidents have been real nail-biters, though. Only you can assess your feelings about those two opposite facts. My wife and I personally have chosen to continue to ride, and we even bought a second Spyder. To me the plusses outweigh the minuses...but that's only me, and I can't advise you which decision to make.
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