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09-08-2023, 07:50 AM
#1076
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Originally Posted by Deanna777
Hawk,
Where did you find the above info?
Deanna
https://www.honda-acura.net/forums/tsb_recall/tsbs
Funny finding this info on a car forum. They have most models and years. Just put your specific details. I called the dealer and was told that I would be charged. So I guess it has to be a recall in order for it to be covered. Looking to get it disabled at Maggie Valley now.
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09-11-2023, 07:17 PM
#1077
Very Active Member
Originally Posted by Hawk
https://www.honda-acura.net/forums/tsb_recall/tsbs
Funny finding this info on a car forum. They have most models and years. Just put your specific details. I called the dealer and was told that I would be charged. So I guess it has to be a recall in order for it to be covered. Looking to get it disabled at Maggie Valley now.
Hawk,
OK. Thanks for the link.
I'll send you a pm.
Deanna
Current Spyder - 2023 F3 LTD Special - Mineral Blue
Red LED NANO Saddlebag Marker Lights with Full Illumination
Sequential Fender LED'S (Amber/Red) with Safety Reflector
Dual Power Plate (12 V & USB ports)
Gremlin Bell
Rear Trunk Organizer (4 holders, 2 Elastic Holders)
Lamonster "Top Cuff" with adjustable drink Holder
SpyderPops Missing Guard Belt
Console Accent Trim (Carbon Fiber Domed Black)
Ultimate F3 Floorboards
Front Fairing Service Access Door Covers (Carbon Fiber Domed Black)
Sway Bar with Links
Rolo Laser Alignment
Half Cover
A-arm Daytime Dual Color LED Running Lights with Blinker Module
Hi-Viz DRL and Sequential Mirrors lights
Marinco 12 Volt Power Receptacle with polarized leads & slide lock
Show Chrome Trunk Shock
LED'S - Run/Turn/Brake Rear
Former Spyder - 2014 RTS SE6 Cognac - SOLD
First Spyder - 2012 RTS-SE5 Quantum Metallic Blue - TRADED UP
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09-14-2023, 06:31 PM
#1078
Active Member
I apologize if this has been addressed before, I didn't take time to read all 1100+ post. Has anyone looked into a relation between battery voltage and the dess error? This spring I started to get the error occasionally. It became more frequent as time went by. Never had a problem starting after removing the key and reinserting. The end of July my battery died, after replacing it I have not had the error again. This may be totally unrelated, but could be a cause for at least some of the errors.
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09-14-2023, 08:10 PM
#1079
Very Active Member
Originally Posted by 3Tyme
I apologize if this has been addressed before, I didn't take time to read all 1100+ post. Has anyone looked into a relation between battery voltage and the dess error? This spring I started to get the error occasionally. It became more frequent as time went by. Never had a problem starting after removing the key and reinserting. The end of July my battery died, after replacing it I have not had the error again. This may be totally unrelated, but could be a cause for at least some of the errors.
Hi 3Tyme,
When I started this thread (on 8/13/2015) I had the OEM battery and at the time the OEM battery voltage was normal. Also, I replaced the OEM battery in 2017.
At the time I had a 2014 RTS-SE6 (I sold that in May of 2023). When I had the D.E.S.S. The module changed on 7/14/2015, I had 6,994 miles. The 2nd time I had the D.E.S.S. The module and the Switch replaced was on Aug. 28th, 2015, and at that time my 2014 RTS-SE6 spyder had 8,740 miles.
On July 14th, 2015 the dealership replaced the DESS Module (part # 710004190) which was under warranty. I got from the dealership the following info saying why the DESS error happens: Roadster 2014-015 D.E.S.S Error Displayed in Cluster_000104494_ TST61Y014S10_en Summary: This TST explains the reason a customer may experience, intermittently a D.E.S.S error message in the Cluster.
TST Detail: Refer to TST Roadster 2nd Generation D.E.S.S Principal of Operation (2014 and Up) to fully understand the principle of operation of the latest D.E.S.S generation.
Problem: Intermittently, the ignition key may not be recognized causing the unit not to start. The D.E.S.S ERROR message will be displayed in the Cluster.
Solution Replace the D.E.S.S module.
Program the keys using the B.U.D.S. referring to the 2014 RT shop manual section Digitally Encoded Security System (D.E.S.S.)
Note: If after the replacement of the D.E.S.S module the problem reoccurs, update the previously opened BOSSWeb case or open a BOSSWeb Case and report this situation.
Technical Explanation:
When the D.E.S.S. module sends its signal to the antenna to read the key chip, the radio frequency produced by the antenna is too strong and the key chip is saturated. This saturation changes the data transmitted back to the D.E.S.S module causing a bad lecture of the key chip.
More info. Turn the key on/off IMMEDIATELY and DO NOT LET THE SYSTEM SHUT DOWN do that for about 4 to 5 cycles.
What Spyder do you have?
What year is your Spyder?
I hope the above info helps.
Deanna
Last edited by Peter Aawen; 01-21-2024 at 09:41 PM.
Current Spyder - 2023 F3 LTD Special - Mineral Blue
Red LED NANO Saddlebag Marker Lights with Full Illumination
Sequential Fender LED'S (Amber/Red) with Safety Reflector
Dual Power Plate (12 V & USB ports)
Gremlin Bell
Rear Trunk Organizer (4 holders, 2 Elastic Holders)
Lamonster "Top Cuff" with adjustable drink Holder
SpyderPops Missing Guard Belt
Console Accent Trim (Carbon Fiber Domed Black)
Ultimate F3 Floorboards
Front Fairing Service Access Door Covers (Carbon Fiber Domed Black)
Sway Bar with Links
Rolo Laser Alignment
Half Cover
A-arm Daytime Dual Color LED Running Lights with Blinker Module
Hi-Viz DRL and Sequential Mirrors lights
Marinco 12 Volt Power Receptacle with polarized leads & slide lock
Show Chrome Trunk Shock
LED'S - Run/Turn/Brake Rear
Former Spyder - 2014 RTS SE6 Cognac - SOLD
First Spyder - 2012 RTS-SE5 Quantum Metallic Blue - TRADED UP
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09-14-2023, 08:38 PM
#1080
Active Member
2015 F3S, just stating that I haven't had any problems since replacing the battery. Is it possible that a slightly low battery voltage could trigger the error? (in at least some cases, or more easily cause the error if there is a problem starting to develop?) I plan on having DESS disabled, just so I don't have to worry about it.
Last edited by Peter Aawen; 09-14-2023 at 11:19 PM.
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09-15-2023, 11:54 AM
#1081
Very Active Member
Originally Posted by 3Tyme
2015 F3S, just stating that I haven't had any problems since replacing the battery. Is it possible that a slightly low battery voltage could trigger the error? (in at least some cases, or more easily cause the error if there is a problem starting to develop?) I plan on having DESS disabled, just so I don't have to worry about it.
HI 3Tyme,
I haven't heard of anyone having D.E.S.S errors problems that have had a low battery voltage on their spyders.
Again, when I started this thread, my Spyder at the time (2014 RTS-SE6) the battery was fully charged/the battery voltage was OK.
Deanna
Last edited by Peter Aawen; 01-21-2024 at 09:42 PM.
Current Spyder - 2023 F3 LTD Special - Mineral Blue
Red LED NANO Saddlebag Marker Lights with Full Illumination
Sequential Fender LED'S (Amber/Red) with Safety Reflector
Dual Power Plate (12 V & USB ports)
Gremlin Bell
Rear Trunk Organizer (4 holders, 2 Elastic Holders)
Lamonster "Top Cuff" with adjustable drink Holder
SpyderPops Missing Guard Belt
Console Accent Trim (Carbon Fiber Domed Black)
Ultimate F3 Floorboards
Front Fairing Service Access Door Covers (Carbon Fiber Domed Black)
Sway Bar with Links
Rolo Laser Alignment
Half Cover
A-arm Daytime Dual Color LED Running Lights with Blinker Module
Hi-Viz DRL and Sequential Mirrors lights
Marinco 12 Volt Power Receptacle with polarized leads & slide lock
Show Chrome Trunk Shock
LED'S - Run/Turn/Brake Rear
Former Spyder - 2014 RTS SE6 Cognac - SOLD
First Spyder - 2012 RTS-SE5 Quantum Metallic Blue - TRADED UP
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09-15-2023, 12:10 PM
#1082
Very Active Member
I have a 2020 RTL. I thought I'd be safe from the DESS monster, but I've read of others that have had DESS issues with the 2020+ models.
I had my DESS disabled while I was at SpyderQuest.
I've been assured that this is permanent.
In other words, if or when BRP issues a firmware update for my Spyder, the update won't overwrite the DESS and reactivate it.
Does anyone have any other definitive information on this.
If it ain't broke, don't break it.
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2020 RT Limited Asphalt Grey
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09-15-2023, 03:15 PM
#1083
Very Active Member
IMHO .... I wouldn't trust BRP to fix the DESS ...... they have already claimed to have fixed it a few times in the past few years ..... some engineer broke what wasn't broke in 2014 ..... Just be happy it's no longer an issue for you .....Mike
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09-15-2023, 06:37 PM
#1084
Ozzie Ozzie Ozzie
Originally Posted by ThreeWheels
I have a 2020 RTL. I thought I'd be safe from the DESS monster, but I've read of others that have had DESS issues with the 2020+ models.
I had my DESS disabled while I was at SpyderQuest.
I've been assured that this is permanent.
In other words, if or when BRP issues a firmware update for my Spyder, the update won't overwrite the DESS and reactivate it.
Does anyone have any other definitive information on this.
That's correct. Just like changing the Country Code or turning off the Error Code History, it would take the reverse action of what it took to Disable it to turn it back on - ie. someone would hafta connect up to BUDS; navigate to the DESS Option; and toggle the switch to turn it back on - that is, it'd require a DELIBERATE action, it's not something that can 'just happen' thru an upgrade ...
2013 RT Ltd Pearl White
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09-15-2023, 07:11 PM
#1085
Very Active Member
Originally Posted by ThreeWheels
I have a 2020 RTL. I thought I'd be safe from the DESS monster, but I've read of others that have had DESS issues with the 2020+ models.
I had my DESS disabled while I was at SpyderQuest.
I've been assured that this is permanent.
In other words, if or when BRP issues a firmware update for my Spyder, the update won't overwrite the DESS and reactivate it.
Does anyone have any other definitive information on this.
ThreeWheels,
Get in contact with BRP and ask them to issue an update for your firmware on your spyder.
Also, have your dealership open up a case with BRP.
Deanna
Current Spyder - 2023 F3 LTD Special - Mineral Blue
Red LED NANO Saddlebag Marker Lights with Full Illumination
Sequential Fender LED'S (Amber/Red) with Safety Reflector
Dual Power Plate (12 V & USB ports)
Gremlin Bell
Rear Trunk Organizer (4 holders, 2 Elastic Holders)
Lamonster "Top Cuff" with adjustable drink Holder
SpyderPops Missing Guard Belt
Console Accent Trim (Carbon Fiber Domed Black)
Ultimate F3 Floorboards
Front Fairing Service Access Door Covers (Carbon Fiber Domed Black)
Sway Bar with Links
Rolo Laser Alignment
Half Cover
A-arm Daytime Dual Color LED Running Lights with Blinker Module
Hi-Viz DRL and Sequential Mirrors lights
Marinco 12 Volt Power Receptacle with polarized leads & slide lock
Show Chrome Trunk Shock
LED'S - Run/Turn/Brake Rear
Former Spyder - 2014 RTS SE6 Cognac - SOLD
First Spyder - 2012 RTS-SE5 Quantum Metallic Blue - TRADED UP
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09-27-2023, 07:36 PM
#1086
Very Active Member
Does anyone have a picture of the Check Key display so I don't have to scroll through this entire thread looking for one? I need it to share with a friend who just purchased a 2015 RT-S so he knows what to look for and get his DESS deleted when the time comes.
Those who say " I can't" will always be right.
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09-27-2023, 08:02 PM
#1087
Ozzie Ozzie Ozzie
2013 RT Ltd Pearl White
Ryde More, Worry Less!
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09-27-2023, 08:28 PM
#1088
Very Active Member
OK, I gave that a shot, but the only picture I found was of a 2020+ and I need a shot of a 2014 or 2015 so my friend knows what to look out for.
Thanks for the advice nonetheless.
Those who say " I can't" will always be right.
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09-27-2023, 08:58 PM
#1089
Very Active Member
Originally Posted by cruisinTX
OK, I gave that a shot, but the only picture I found was of a 2020+ and I need a shot of a 2014 or 2015 so my friend knows what to look out for.
Thanks for the advice nonetheless.
"Check key" is not (to the best of my knowledge) a .... DESS failure ..... I also have a 14 RT so have Him look on pg.144, of His owners manual ...; it has pics of what the failure codes will be displayed on the instrument screen .... I forget what the DESS failure wording looks like, but it's similar to the Limp Home screen It's large. ORANGE, and replaces the entire MPH area ..... hope this helps ....Mike
Last edited by Peter Aawen; 01-21-2024 at 09:45 PM.
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09-28-2023, 08:19 AM
#1090
Very Active Member
I may have misinterpreted Peter's response but I thought it was referring to the check key error causing the need to disable the DESS.
Originally Posted by Peter Aawen
The DESS effectively triggers a DON'T START signal in the ECM if/when it doesn't read the correct code from the key, so by turning the DESS OFF, it can never trigger that DON'T START message, and therefore the engine will start EVERY TIME! Simples really!
Last edited by Peter Aawen; 01-21-2024 at 09:45 PM.
Those who say " I can't" will always be right.
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09-28-2023, 02:16 PM
#1091
Very Active Member
Originally Posted by cruisinTX
Does anyone have a picture of the Check Key display so I don't have to scroll through this entire thread looking for one? I need it to share with a friend who just purchased a 2015 RT-S so he knows what to look for and get his DESS deleted when the time comes.
Originally Posted by cruisinTX
OK, I gave that a shot, but the only picture I found was of a 2020+ and I need a shot of a 2014 or 2015 so my friend knows what to look out for.
Thanks for the advice nonetheless.
crusinTX, Look at page #1 (at post #13); Page #3 (post #72); also, page 4 (post #100) for pictures of the Check Key Display in this thread. They are pictures of the Display on a 2014 RT. I hope your friend doesn't get the DESS error before he has to have it deleted.
I hope the above helps.
Deanna
Last edited by Peter Aawen; 09-28-2023 at 07:06 PM.
Reason: Merged duplicated/consecutive posts...
Current Spyder - 2023 F3 LTD Special - Mineral Blue
Red LED NANO Saddlebag Marker Lights with Full Illumination
Sequential Fender LED'S (Amber/Red) with Safety Reflector
Dual Power Plate (12 V & USB ports)
Gremlin Bell
Rear Trunk Organizer (4 holders, 2 Elastic Holders)
Lamonster "Top Cuff" with adjustable drink Holder
SpyderPops Missing Guard Belt
Console Accent Trim (Carbon Fiber Domed Black)
Ultimate F3 Floorboards
Front Fairing Service Access Door Covers (Carbon Fiber Domed Black)
Sway Bar with Links
Rolo Laser Alignment
Half Cover
A-arm Daytime Dual Color LED Running Lights with Blinker Module
Hi-Viz DRL and Sequential Mirrors lights
Marinco 12 Volt Power Receptacle with polarized leads & slide lock
Show Chrome Trunk Shock
LED'S - Run/Turn/Brake Rear
Former Spyder - 2014 RTS SE6 Cognac - SOLD
First Spyder - 2012 RTS-SE5 Quantum Metallic Blue - TRADED UP
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10-02-2023, 01:52 PM
#1092
Very Active Member
Thank you!!!! Page 4 post 100 is the exact one I was looking for. thanks again.
Last edited by cruisinTX; 10-02-2023 at 02:16 PM.
Those who say " I can't" will always be right.
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10-02-2023, 08:29 PM
#1093
Very Active Member
Originally Posted by cruisinTX
Thank you!!!! Page 4 post 100 is the exact one I was looking for. thanks again.
crusinTX,
I am glad that I could help you, and you found what you were looking for your friend.
Deanna
Current Spyder - 2023 F3 LTD Special - Mineral Blue
Red LED NANO Saddlebag Marker Lights with Full Illumination
Sequential Fender LED'S (Amber/Red) with Safety Reflector
Dual Power Plate (12 V & USB ports)
Gremlin Bell
Rear Trunk Organizer (4 holders, 2 Elastic Holders)
Lamonster "Top Cuff" with adjustable drink Holder
SpyderPops Missing Guard Belt
Console Accent Trim (Carbon Fiber Domed Black)
Ultimate F3 Floorboards
Front Fairing Service Access Door Covers (Carbon Fiber Domed Black)
Sway Bar with Links
Rolo Laser Alignment
Half Cover
A-arm Daytime Dual Color LED Running Lights with Blinker Module
Hi-Viz DRL and Sequential Mirrors lights
Marinco 12 Volt Power Receptacle with polarized leads & slide lock
Show Chrome Trunk Shock
LED'S - Run/Turn/Brake Rear
Former Spyder - 2014 RTS SE6 Cognac - SOLD
First Spyder - 2012 RTS-SE5 Quantum Metallic Blue - TRADED UP
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01-21-2024, 01:01 PM
#1094
Very Active Member
HI All,
Was wondering if anyone has had the D.E.S.S. Error code on their F3 LTD Spdyers?
I am just curious.
Deanna
Last edited by Peter Aawen; 01-21-2024 at 09:46 PM.
Current Spyder - 2023 F3 LTD Special - Mineral Blue
Red LED NANO Saddlebag Marker Lights with Full Illumination
Sequential Fender LED'S (Amber/Red) with Safety Reflector
Dual Power Plate (12 V & USB ports)
Gremlin Bell
Rear Trunk Organizer (4 holders, 2 Elastic Holders)
Lamonster "Top Cuff" with adjustable drink Holder
SpyderPops Missing Guard Belt
Console Accent Trim (Carbon Fiber Domed Black)
Ultimate F3 Floorboards
Front Fairing Service Access Door Covers (Carbon Fiber Domed Black)
Sway Bar with Links
Rolo Laser Alignment
Half Cover
A-arm Daytime Dual Color LED Running Lights with Blinker Module
Hi-Viz DRL and Sequential Mirrors lights
Marinco 12 Volt Power Receptacle with polarized leads & slide lock
Show Chrome Trunk Shock
LED'S - Run/Turn/Brake Rear
Former Spyder - 2014 RTS SE6 Cognac - SOLD
First Spyder - 2012 RTS-SE5 Quantum Metallic Blue - TRADED UP
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01-21-2024, 01:22 PM
#1095
Very Active Member
Originally Posted by Deanna777
HI All,
Was wondering if anyone has had the D.E.S.S. Error code on there F3 LTD spdyers?
I am just curious.
Deanna
We had 2019 and 2020 F3's. We experienced NO DESS code.
Currently Owned: 2019 F3 Limited, 2020 F3 Limited: SOLD BOTH LIMITEDS in October of 2023.
Previously : 2008 GS-SM5 (silver), 2009 RS-SE5 (red), 2010 RT-S Premier Editon #474 (black) 2011 RT A&C SE5 (magnesium) 2014 RTS-SE6 (yellow)
MY FINAL TALLY: 7 Spyders, 15 years, 205,500 miles
IT HAS BEEN A LONG, WONDERFUL, AND FUN RIDE.
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01-21-2024, 02:57 PM
#1096
Originally Posted by Deanna777
HI All,
Was wondering if anyone has had the D.E.S.S. Error code on their F3 LTD Spdyers?
I am just curious.
Deanna
No code on my 21F3T but I had it disabled anyway... Just in case.
Last edited by Peter Aawen; 01-21-2024 at 09:47 PM.
RiderDuke
My Ride
2021 Glacial Blue Metallic F3-T
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01-21-2024, 06:05 PM
#1097
Ozzie Ozzie Ozzie
Last edited by Peter Aawen; 01-21-2024 at 09:47 PM.
2013 RT Ltd Pearl White
Ryde More, Worry Less!
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01-22-2024, 11:00 PM
#1098
Very Active Member
Originally Posted by Peter Aawen
Not the first time you've asked that Deanna, altho maybe the earlier 'asks' were not specifically for just the Ltd's; but a few F3 owners have answered in the affirmative.
There's a post about an F3-T with this issue back around post #167....
Then there's Mike Ard at post #289 wondering if, given the difference between the RT display and the F3 display, his F3's 'Bad Key' error isn't the same problem as the DESS error? BRP initially replaced his DESS Antenna, then when the problem continued, replaced the entire DESS Module - which, BTW, is apparently exactly the same part# as those in the RT's.
Another F3S with a Bad Key at posts #487 & #490 from SpyDerSts...
Then wengerda, with a 2016 F3L at posts #572-#574
And that's only searching up to page #24....
Peter Aawen,
Thanks for the info.
OK. I am glad that BRP replaced his DESS Antenna.
OK.
I was only wondering.
Deanna
Current Spyder - 2023 F3 LTD Special - Mineral Blue
Red LED NANO Saddlebag Marker Lights with Full Illumination
Sequential Fender LED'S (Amber/Red) with Safety Reflector
Dual Power Plate (12 V & USB ports)
Gremlin Bell
Rear Trunk Organizer (4 holders, 2 Elastic Holders)
Lamonster "Top Cuff" with adjustable drink Holder
SpyderPops Missing Guard Belt
Console Accent Trim (Carbon Fiber Domed Black)
Ultimate F3 Floorboards
Front Fairing Service Access Door Covers (Carbon Fiber Domed Black)
Sway Bar with Links
Rolo Laser Alignment
Half Cover
A-arm Daytime Dual Color LED Running Lights with Blinker Module
Hi-Viz DRL and Sequential Mirrors lights
Marinco 12 Volt Power Receptacle with polarized leads & slide lock
Show Chrome Trunk Shock
LED'S - Run/Turn/Brake Rear
Former Spyder - 2014 RTS SE6 Cognac - SOLD
First Spyder - 2012 RTS-SE5 Quantum Metallic Blue - TRADED UP
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01-22-2024, 11:11 PM
#1099
Very Active Member
Originally Posted by ARtraveler
We had 2019 and 2020 F3's. We experienced NO DESS code.
ARtraveler,
I am glad that you didn't get any DESS error codes when you had your 2019 and 2020 F3's spyders.
Deanna
Current Spyder - 2023 F3 LTD Special - Mineral Blue
Red LED NANO Saddlebag Marker Lights with Full Illumination
Sequential Fender LED'S (Amber/Red) with Safety Reflector
Dual Power Plate (12 V & USB ports)
Gremlin Bell
Rear Trunk Organizer (4 holders, 2 Elastic Holders)
Lamonster "Top Cuff" with adjustable drink Holder
SpyderPops Missing Guard Belt
Console Accent Trim (Carbon Fiber Domed Black)
Ultimate F3 Floorboards
Front Fairing Service Access Door Covers (Carbon Fiber Domed Black)
Sway Bar with Links
Rolo Laser Alignment
Half Cover
A-arm Daytime Dual Color LED Running Lights with Blinker Module
Hi-Viz DRL and Sequential Mirrors lights
Marinco 12 Volt Power Receptacle with polarized leads & slide lock
Show Chrome Trunk Shock
LED'S - Run/Turn/Brake Rear
Former Spyder - 2014 RTS SE6 Cognac - SOLD
First Spyder - 2012 RTS-SE5 Quantum Metallic Blue - TRADED UP
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01-31-2024, 12:21 AM
#1100
Ozzie Ozzie Ozzie
While this thread (started by Deanna777) has a vast amount of quality info in it regarding these DESS failures and how to fix &/or resolve them permanently, these concerns are particularly relevant to the 2014-2016 Spyders and so should no longer be quite as much of a problem as they have been in years past. However, even if you might not get to see many of them, we are noticing an increasing number of posts that really don't belong here, as they are not really on this subject and are diverting the thread and discussion away from the real point and topic here, so this thread is now closed, but it remains a Sticky and a valuable resource for all!
If you find have questions that you wish to ask that haven't already been covered in this thread (yes, we understand that it IS long, but just about everything you might want to know is already covered in this thread/these pages, you just need to take the time & effort to search the thread &/or read thru it to find them. ) please send me or any of the other Mods a PM with a brief outline of your concern and we will look into re-opening this thread for a short while so you can ask and get answers as appropriate. Any new threads started on this same topic/subject are likely to be merged into this thread anyway, so please, just send us that PM first; and if it's not really on the DESS failure issue discussed here, search the Forum to see if it's already been covered in another thread BEFORE starting a new thread.
But for now, this thread is closed.
Thanks again Deanna.
Last edited by Peter Aawen; 01-31-2024 at 01:28 AM.
2013 RT Ltd Pearl White
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