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Comparison of Power Commander 5 to Monster ECU stage 1 or stage 2 flash
What are the performance gains of these different types of reprogramming for my 2015 RT-S 1330.
2015 RTS SE6 Special Series Red/Black w/Magnesium front fenders(bought in Nov. 2018 w/9,400 miles)
Dynojet Power Commander V, Power Commander POD-300 Display, PCV Map Switch, Pedal Commander (WOW)
Passenger Arm Rests, Windshield Air Wing
Baja Ron's Sway Bar & Spring Adjusters
Air Scoops, LaMonster's Hiway Pegs
Magnetic Mirror Mounts, Air Innovations Seat Cushion
Red Chrome pin striping on Black hood
Federal Formoza AZ01 front tires (they're GREAT)
Kumho Ecsta AST KU25 All-Season Tire - 225/50R15 91H
LED bars above radiator inlets
LED brake/running/turn signals on license plate frame
Tag-Along trailer
LED headlights LED fog lights (WOW)
2" x 2" Road Lights inside front fenders
7' x 10' Cargo trailer
Garmin 396 LM GPS
RLS Cat-delete resonator with China Akropovic muffler
New Banshee AGM
M3 TPMS on front tires
Remote Control for Heated Jacket and Heated Riding Pants
Analog Clock and Analog Volt Meter
Loose Nut Behind Handlebars
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Never mind, I found the info I was looking for.
2015 RTS SE6 Special Series Red/Black w/Magnesium front fenders(bought in Nov. 2018 w/9,400 miles)
Dynojet Power Commander V, Power Commander POD-300 Display, PCV Map Switch, Pedal Commander (WOW)
Passenger Arm Rests, Windshield Air Wing
Baja Ron's Sway Bar & Spring Adjusters
Air Scoops, LaMonster's Hiway Pegs
Magnetic Mirror Mounts, Air Innovations Seat Cushion
Red Chrome pin striping on Black hood
Federal Formoza AZ01 front tires (they're GREAT)
Kumho Ecsta AST KU25 All-Season Tire - 225/50R15 91H
LED bars above radiator inlets
LED brake/running/turn signals on license plate frame
Tag-Along trailer
LED headlights LED fog lights (WOW)
2" x 2" Road Lights inside front fenders
7' x 10' Cargo trailer
Garmin 396 LM GPS
RLS Cat-delete resonator with China Akropovic muffler
New Banshee AGM
M3 TPMS on front tires
Remote Control for Heated Jacket and Heated Riding Pants
Analog Clock and Analog Volt Meter
Loose Nut Behind Handlebars
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Originally Posted by Revalden
Never mind, I found the info I was looking for.
Well, how about sharing with us what you learned...?
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Originally Posted by Revalden
Never mind, I found the info I was looking for.
How about a link or some directions to your findings please. Waiting with baited breath. It's my understanding that a stock 1330motor will only open the throttle plates 85%. ECU flashes change that among other things. Pedal commanders only OPEN the throttle quicker. Not at all sure about Dyno Jet...
LewL
Kaos----- Gone but not forgotten.
2014 RTS in Circuit Yellow, farkle-ing addiction down to once every few months. ECU FLASH IS GREAT.
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Originally Posted by Lew L
How about a link or some directions to your findings please. Waiting with baited breath. It's my understanding that a stock 1330motor will only open the throttle plates 85%. ECU flashes change that among other things. Pedal commanders only OPEN the throttle quicker. Not at all sure about Dyno Jet...
LewL
Lew, I think the Pedal Commander and Power Commander are 2 different beasts per Martin the Vlogger https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNS8LwNMde0
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Call Steve at Monster and ask. It's free. Tel: 1-(226) 909-2029
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Originally Posted by 2dogs
Call Steve at Monster and ask. It's free. Tel: 1-(226) 909-2029
Isn't that for an ECU flash though?
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Originally Posted by UtahPete
Isn't that for an ECU flash though?
Yes, that's the number in Canada for the ECU Flash stage 1 or 2. There's another number for their US location where I sent mine for a flash.
Wick-It Performance 1-(318) 562-6961 in Shreveport, LA
You have to remove your ECU and send it to them. It's a week turn around time.
Last edited by 2dogs; 07-08-2022 at 05:58 PM.
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Ozzie Ozzie Ozzie
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Originally Posted by UtahPete
Yes, according to Martin each has its own ups and downs. Choose what you like. JMHO, I want the low end torque and the afterburners to come in when I hit the end of the wick (throttle).
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Originally Posted by UtahPete
Well, how about sharing with us what you learned...?
I just realized we (I) have been reacting to a post from 2 years ago ...
Last edited by UtahPete; 07-15-2022 at 07:04 PM.
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Ozzie Ozzie Ozzie
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Ryde More, Worry Less!
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Originally Posted by Peter Aawen
Whadda you mean ' WE' Pete?? . It was YOU that responded to a 2 year old post - the rest of us just responded to what you put up . Welll, maybe not Lew, but the rest of us anyway, ie. me'n 2dogs
Yes, I know that ....
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MAX throttle body opening percentage ???
Earlier in this thread I said the stock 1330 ECU can only open the throttle(s) to about 85%. BUT, I wish someone who REALLY knows the Max. throttle would chime in.........
Lew L
Last edited by Peter Aawen; 07-15-2022 at 12:51 PM.
Reason: Moved post title so all can read - some only see thread titles!
Kaos----- Gone but not forgotten.
2014 RTS in Circuit Yellow, farkle-ing addiction down to once every few months. ECU FLASH IS GREAT.
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Someone must know??
Originally Posted by Lew L
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Earlier in this thread I said the stock 1330 ECU can only open the throttle(s) to about 85%. BUT, I wish someone who REALLY knows the Max. throttle would chime in.........
Lew L
Someone here must have a definitive answer....
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Reason: Moved the post title so ALL can read it - some readers ONLY see THREAD title, & never anything you put in the title field for later posts! ;-)
Kaos----- Gone but not forgotten.
2014 RTS in Circuit Yellow, farkle-ing addiction down to once every few months. ECU FLASH IS GREAT.
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Originally Posted by Lew L
Someone here must have a definitive answer....
Give Monster a call and ask. If anyone knows they'll (should) know. Wick-et Performance 1 (318) 562-6961
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Originally Posted by Lew L
Someone must know??
Someone here must have a definitive answer....
Martin the Vlogger https://youtu.be/tNS8LwNMde0
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Well that was 30+minutes I'll never get back,. I did listen carefully and Martin may have answered many ?'s BUT not mine.
So, again:
Can a knowledgeable person tell us:
1. What percentage does the stock ECU open the 1330 motor throttle body (s) ???
2. Does the stage 1 ( or stage2 ) open the throttle body to 100% ???
Next message is to Wicket or Monster Fuel injection.
Lew L
Kaos----- Gone but not forgotten.
2014 RTS in Circuit Yellow, farkle-ing addiction down to once every few months. ECU FLASH IS GREAT.
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Originally Posted by Lew L
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Well that was 30+minutes I'll never get back,. I did listen carefully and Martin may have answered many ?'s BUT not mine.
So, again:
Can a knowledgeable person tell us:
1. What percentage does the stock ECU open the 1330 motor throttle body (s) ???
2. Does the stage 1 ( or stage2 ) open the throttle body to 100% ???
Next message is to Wicket or Monster Fuel injection.
Lew L
I'm sorry. I thought he did talk about OEM throttle openings vs Pedal Commander.
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Monster FI contacted. I'll call them if they can't find the time to answer my emai.
Kaos----- Gone but not forgotten.
2014 RTS in Circuit Yellow, farkle-ing addiction down to once every few months. ECU FLASH IS GREAT.
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Originally Posted by Lew L
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Well that was 30+minutes I'll never get back,. I did listen carefully and Martin may have answered many ?'s BUT not mine.
So, again:
Can a knowledgeable person tell us:
1. What percentage does the stock ECU open the 1330 motor throttle body (s) ???
2. Does the stage 1 ( or stage2 ) open the throttle body to 100% ???
Next message is to Wicket or Monster Fuel injection.
Lew L
While you wait for the response from the truly knowledgeable, here's my understanding on these questions....
1. I believe that even the stock Spyder ECU's WILL open the throttle 100%, but only for a short while when WOT is initially applied (maybe a tad more than 'just momentarily', but not too much more! ) and once the initial acceleration is induced, the ECU reduces that opening somewhat - can't tell you exactly when or what the exact percentage is, but beyond the 'momentarily' comment above, I think the throttle reverts to something like 90-95% open pdq - the story I've heard is that it's something to do with reducing the emissions that running at WOT for more than a second or so might emit if your engine doesn't completely burn the fuel/air charge!
2. Dunno about Monster or Wick-it's version, altho I reckon it'd be 'fairly' similar (even if not quite as comprehensive ) but on my V-Twin motor the Rotax Racing ECU Upgrade certainly does go to 100% WOT and then holds that setting for a lot longer than stock - right out until the revs hit the (increased ) red line & then longer! Nb: the increased red line is still somewhat less than that used by the V-Twin engine in some other applications; and my understanding is that the Upgraded tune is such that I'd hafta be sucking air at the same sort of altitude as Everest's Death Zone while ryding my Spyder to result in only a partial burn of the engine's fuel/air charge! And I don't get to do that too often here in Oz....
Be interested to hear what Monster &/or Wick-it come back with?!?
Over to you, Lew!
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Thank you Peter,
I most certainly will post up information gleaned from Monster FI. I know my stage 1 with intake mods will walk away from stock or exhaust equipped RT's And--- it loves the alcohol free 91 obtain available here in So. Dekota.
Lew L
Kaos----- Gone but not forgotten.
2014 RTS in Circuit Yellow, farkle-ing addiction down to once every few months. ECU FLASH IS GREAT.
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Would the air box mods required by Monster have anything to do with stage 2 breathing more air because the throttle plates open all the way?
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