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Originally Posted by BRPjunkie
I know a guy who has had two Ducatis and according to him, if we think Spyder techs are bad, try finding a good Ducati Desmo wrench.
Absolutely, Ducati is a "big city" bike only. Like one dealer for every million people.
3WD
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HD is bleeding more than Buell and MV Agusta. They also have cut back on production drastically and may close the York PA plant. Don't know how the India plant fits into this, but expect that plant to only produce for the local market -- lots of folks over there like the HD image.
Too bad Buell couldn't find some European investors. their bikes fit more into the Ducati/Triumph niches which are more popular over in Europe.
Unfortunately, the folks who were buying HD's the past few years are now more worried about their retirement funds than weekend rides on a Fat Boy!
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Originally Posted by Tom in NM
. . . . . HD decided to kill Buell. That was my take-away from the statement and Q&A. Sad. The motorcycle market could use a lot more diversity instead of herding the "market" to just one style of bike or one 'style' of riding.
My following statement probably won't sit well with the HD contingency here, but this is just another (corporate) step in converting THE rebel brand into a bunch of clones for the suburban biker who wants/needs a bada** image.
Tom
HD has been so far behind in keeping up with technology-- it wouldn't shock me if they drop on the list big time. They still hold on to their air-cooled technology-- like many still like Betamax----.
It seems they didn't want Buell to do well in the first place. My local dealer never sold them at all--- which doesn't make sense-- why not push them through the existing dealer network.
Wonder how many jobs Wisconsin will lose?
Spyder #1 - 2008 GS SM5 Premier Edition #1977. RIP after 80,000 miles.
Spyder #2 - 2012 RT SM5. Traded in after 24,000 miles.
Spyder #3 - 2015 F3 SM6. Put 13,000 miles on and sold it.
Spyder #4 - 2017 F3 SM6. Too good of a deal to pass up!
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Originally Posted by Lowflyingowl
HD is bleeding more than Buell and MV Agusta. They also have cut back on production drastically and may close the York PA plant. Don't know how the India plant fits into this, but expect that plant to only produce for the local market -- lots of folks over there like the HD image.
Too bad Buell couldn't find some European investors. their bikes fit more into the Ducati/Triumph niches which are more popular over in Europe.
Unfortunately, the folks who were buying HD's the past few years are now more worried about their retirement funds than weekend rides on a Fat Boy!
And how long before they ship ones made in India over here to sell?
No company is immune to this outsourcing crap--- HD has used Japanese made parts for many years now.
Sad--- just sad.
Spyder #1 - 2008 GS SM5 Premier Edition #1977. RIP after 80,000 miles.
Spyder #2 - 2012 RT SM5. Traded in after 24,000 miles.
Spyder #3 - 2015 F3 SM6. Put 13,000 miles on and sold it.
Spyder #4 - 2017 F3 SM6. Too good of a deal to pass up!
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Originally Posted by Lowflyingowl
HD is bleeding more than Buell and MV Agusta. They also have cut back on production drastically and may close the York PA plant.
The York plant is going to close because of HD's plan to build a new plant here in the US that will consolidate some of it's manufacturing. I think the last 3 states in the running are Kansas, Kentucky, and Tennessee.
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Originally Posted by sleepman
The York plant is going to close because of HD's plan to build a new plant here in the US that will consolidate some of it's manufacturing. I think the last 3 states in the running are Kansas, Kentucky, and Tennessee.
HD is also considering a site in Indiana.
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Originally Posted by Smylinacha
Dang so if I get a Ducati I can be a 1%'er - now that would be cool!
If you want to REALLY be adventuresome, purchase a Benelli...
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Originally Posted by HDXBONES
maybe the Spyder can have the 1125cc now......
If BRP uses a bigger engine, I hope they go some something more than 1125cc. It's not a big increase from where we are at right now.
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At the end of the day, this was a pure business decision as Buell never turned a profit in ten years. The Buell line of motorcycle was only a rounding error on Harley's books.
The thing is that HD never really promoted the brand outside of its dealerships. I met people who had no clue what a Buell was. That says a lot.
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Hmmm..a possible deal available on a 1125CR down the road??
I had just checked these out at a stealer a few weeks ago. I was impressed by the hp/torque/displacement ratio's and the fact that HD was actually selling another motorcycle without a Milwaukee air cooled VTwin.
I sincerely hope HD will sell the Buell line instead of just dropping it.
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Originally Posted by Smylinacha
Not all HD riders are like that - HDX & Roaddog aren't like that, all my friends who ride Harley's aren't like that and they don't like the ones that buy them now - all a bunch of wanna be bad a$ who in all reality are only rich white collar wanna be bad a$. Look at the gear they sell now - it's all metro lookin! LOL!
And the ones I see ride in shiney new leather, looks like they ironed their chaps w/ a nice little crease in them. Never see a scuffed boot or helmet - it's really quite comical but guess what - Harley makes their cash off people like this. It's unfortunate but it's the truth.
Glad I hang out with REAL bad a$. They can tell ya stories.
100% Though, I was begining to wonder about Roaddog and that "metro"-"gay little trailer" of his. http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/s...4&postcount=15 But, I see he changed his signature picture, so all must be good now.
Tom
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I'm a huge Buell fan so this really bums me out. Hopefully Erik lands with another garage soon.
HD is now void of innovation. I hope they fold.
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Originally Posted by HDXBONES
Ummm, yeah it is......
Spyder.....
1125R....
What I like about the 1125 is not only the more torque and hp, but the flatter torque curve. NIIICE!
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Originally Posted by Smylinacha
Dang so if I get a Ducati I can be a 1%'er - now that would be cool!
Okay,
I caught you 1%er remark. Let me know when you need to be bailed out.
With Christ all things are possible, so live life with no fears and no worries.
Happy Ex Owner, Hopefully future Spyder owner again.
Pastor Deb Tangen, Missions Director and short term missionary.
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Yeah those tail lights saved my life that day! I only said it was gay cuz you made me mad about something that I totally forgot what it was about.
Originally Posted by Roaddog2
All good here She likes the trailer now that it brought home some of Her Foodstuffs.Plus She was able to follow the tail lights when riding in the clouds on the Blue Ridge PKWY
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Nah, I'll talk my way out of it, the law will NEVER touch me!
Originally Posted by dltang
Okay,
I caught you 1%er remark. Let me know when you need to be bailed out.
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Went over to Alfs the Harley/Buell dealer here in Wichita. Big Mistake they are blowing out the Buells. Had a new Lightning SCG for $7395.00 retails at $10780.00 and a new 1125CR at $6350.00 no destination or set up charges! It was all I could do to leave without one and I am not out of the woods yet.
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Originally Posted by DannyS
Went over to Alfs the Harley/Buell dealer here in Wichita. Big Mistake they are blowing out the Buells. Had a new Lightning SCG for $7395.00 retails at $10780.00 and a new 1125CR at $6350.00 no destination or set up charges! It was all I could do to leave without one and I am not out of the woods yet.
I should have waited on purchasing my ST1100. What a deal for a 145 hp motorcycle with that kind of technology.
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I heard rumors that Harley was going to stop producing the V-Rods soon. I did say rumors!
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