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When shifting on the automatics do most go by sound or use rpm,s. Just bought a 2014 STS for my wife and its her first bike ever. I myself go by sound when I test rode it but was just curious.
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Start out by shifting by rpm. Then as you get used to it you will change to how it sounds. Upshift at about 5,000 or higher. Never cruize in 5th gear below 4200. It will downshift for you if you are busy or lazy. But if you don't come to a stop. Downshift manually before twisting the grip. Hold the throttle in a steady position during shifts. The computer will handle the rpm thing.
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Starting with a 59 Rambler and up thru today, regardless of car or bike, I have always shifted by sound.
AJ
Originally Posted by poppajim
When shifting on the automatics do most go by sound or use rpm,s. Just bought a 2014 STS for my wife and its her first bike ever. I myself go by sound when I test rode it but was just curious.
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also remember not to ease off the gas when shifting. Stay on the gas and hit the paddle....
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I have heard a lot of people saying to hold it steady while shifting but I find that shifting while accelerating is much smoother. I still shift at higher rpm's (5,500 +/-), but do so while accelerating. IDK... I could be doing this shifting thing all wrong but let me tell ya, it shifts like butter
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Originally Posted by PaladinLV
Starting with a 59 Rambler and up thru today, regardless of car or bike, I have always shifted by sound.
AJ
AJ, it is a good thing that you have a 1330 because if you were shifting a 998 by sound you’d be lugging it and making costly clutch repairs.
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Some have suggested beginners keep it in trailer mode for better shifting points I know it took me some time to get use to the higher RPMS
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The 1330s are so un-fussy, that it doesn't matter when you shift them. As long as the computer will allow the shift to occur: go for it!
(I shifted by sound)
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I try to shift by sound but sometimes I have trouble hearing the engine so I'll peek at the tach. I shift between 5500 and 6000. I usually downshift manually to 2nd but then let the computer do the 2 - 1 downshift.
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Originally Posted by poppajim
When shifting on the automatics do most go by sound or use rpm,s. Just bought a 2014 STS for my wife and its her first bike ever. I myself go by sound when I test rode it but was just curious.
Doesn't matter.
Do whatever feels right FOR YOU.
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Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Originally Posted by billybovine
Start out by shifting by rpm. Then as you get used to it you will change to how it sounds. Upshift at about 5,000 or higher. Never cruize in 5th gear below 4200. It will downshift for you if you are busy or lazy. But if you don't come to a stop. Downshift manually before twisting the grip. Hold the throttle in a steady position during shifts. The computer will handle the rpm thing.
Billy, I usually run in the 3000-3500 range, regardless of gear. Why do you recommend the highlighted above?
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Hi Ray,
I think the person you quoted was referring to the 998 V-twin motor.
I downshift more for the situation. I want to be in a gear that will allow "brisk" acceleration with out down shifting. Old motorcycle habits die hard.
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Last edited by Lew L; 08-29-2018 at 09:39 AM.
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The 2014 998 twin really likes the high RPM's. Dont be shy and keep it high! The Power band is much better up above 5G's
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Originally Posted by AY4B
The 2014 998 twin really likes the high RPM's. Dont be shy and keep it high! The Power band is much better up above 5G's
Desirable for some riders but not really necessary for a pleasurable ride.
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May have the answer to my question
Originally Posted by AY4B
The 2014 998 twin really likes the high RPM's. Dont be shy and keep it high! The Power band is much better up above 5G's
If Billy meant the 998...…..I have the 1330 engine.
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I shift my 998 in the 6000 - 6500 range. It shifts smoother at that range, than if I shift at a lower RPM.
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Originally Posted by teninospyder
If Billy meant the 998...…..I have the 1330 engine.
He did; that advice is best applied to the 998s. It'll keep you from toasting the engagement clutch on those models.
SE-equipped V-Twins have a centrifugally-engaged clutch
The triples have one that is hydraulically engaged.
Last edited by Bob Denman; 08-29-2018 at 12:58 PM.
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Originally Posted by Buckeye Bleau
Joe
Yes about 5K to 6K, throttle steady. I read here somewhere you never want to be below 4K RPM? Something about the clutch is fully engaged around 3800 or so? It does take some getting used to between the 1330 and the 998! We have both and it freaks the wife out on the 998 revving so high.
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Originally Posted by stevencovert
Yes about 5K to 6K, throttle steady. I read here somewhere you never want to be below 4K RPM? Something about the clutch is fully engaged around 3800 or so? It does take some getting used to between the 1330 and the 998! We have both and it freaks the wife out on the 998 revving so high.
The whole clutch engagement minimum rpm for SE5 models has been sliced and diced. But still the common concept the low rpm can prematurely destroy the clutch is true in fact, but extremely exaggerated to the point of being a lie. The clutch published stall speed is 3200 +/- 200 rpm. So as long you keep the rpm above 3400 rpm. There will be no premature wear on the clutch. Also the lower the gear you are operating in will reduce the load on the clutch. So driving in 1st gear at 2500 rpm for a short period of time. Like a city block. Is not going hurt anything. The problem that BRP found out in the early days was that folks where driving down the road at 2500 to 3200 rpm. In 5th gear. Into headwinds and up hills. Burning out the clutch in the process. Clutches are not covered under warranty. But BRP would replace a clutch under goodwill. Only if the rpm profile showed that the Spyder was not operate at a significant time under 4000 rpm. If it was tough luck. The reason you drive with a minimum of 4200 in 5th gear. Is because of the engine power profile. So it does not matter whether it's a SE5 or SM5. The engine just runs better there for the load it is under. 4th gear lower load 4000 min. 3rd 3800, 2nd 3600. That is for flat road with little headwind. Steeper the hill or stronger the wind. Up the rpm accordingly. But as long as you are over 3400 with an SE5 don't worry about the clutch.
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Originally Posted by AY4B
The 2014 998 twin really likes the high RPM's. Dont be shy and keep it high! The Power band is much better up above 5G's
didn't know them made the twins in 2014???? I thought that was the year BRP went to 3 cylinders??
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Originally Posted by Big F
didn't know them made the twins in 2014???? I thought that was the year BRP went to 3 cylinders??
BIG F
2014 3 cylinder was the RT only. RS and ST still had the twin and did right up to the end of their production. In 2015 the F3 came along and got the 3 cylinder too.
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Originally Posted by Big F
didn't know them made the twins in 2014???? I thought that was the year BRP went to 3 cylinders??
BIG F
They were still making RS, ST, models. When the F3 came out, the RS and ST went away. They will correct me if I am wrong.
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Originally Posted by akspyderman
They were still making RS, ST, models. When the F3 came out, the RS and ST went away. They will correct me if I am wrong.
i have a 2015 st 998. i run in trailer mode- it downshifs at the correct rpms 3500 , and i dont have to down shift.
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