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BRP Certification
My biggest concern is that there are not enough BRP Technicians out there or have a BRP Platinum Certification for service. Is there a class available for customers to attend the technician of BRP so that customers can actually be BRP certified?
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Agree...
most brand tech training is for the mechanics sent by the dealerships. There are schools in AZ (MMI) that can train you but don't know if they are brand specific or just general....
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And...there are becoming fewer and fewer branded techs. The complaint I get here is it costs to much, and the techs don't stay with the dealer that bought the class.
My favorite dealer did not even have a certified tech last summer. The Anchorage dealer dropped the line, and we are down to one selling/servicing dealer for our whole state. My dealer was a Platinum dealer in 2012--but I know they are not now.
I an now hinky about future purchases and whether or not to stick with the brand. I have invested about $200K over the years, and feel a bit like it has been stuck to me.
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WHO? Fresno, CA
I was asking Fresno, CA if they were BRP Certified. In response, they said, "They were certified look online." They didn't show me any certifications whatsoever. How do I know who is BRP Certified? I checked the website on BRP Can Am Spyder, but I have a hard time uploading it.
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The certified mech either attends a school or the majority get certified on line. Most shops now do not have certified techs/mechs. They have one "certified" mech and the rest are hired off the street without any experience.
RideNow has 50+ dealerships across the country and this is their in-house practice. Most shops follow this module. One "certified mech" will oversee the rest of uncertified mechs. A very small percentage of tech/mechs have ever been to and are "Factory Certified". I request to see there "certified" certificate. I have yet to find a true "factory " certified mechanic. Most Certificates if any will be an online certificate. i.e. answer questions and view video's online.
If you find someone you like and are satisfied with, request that person each time. I follow this religiously.
Not all factory or online mechs are any better than the non certified. It really comes down to the individual integrity and due diligence of the person actually working on your equipment not his pedigree.
Jack
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Originally Posted by jaherbst
.... It really comes down to the individual integrity and due diligence of the person actually working on your equipment not his pedigree.
Jack
Doesn't it always??? Very well said!
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Merely being "certified" doesn't necessarily mean they have any real clue on how to work on your bike. It just means they went to school. Kind of like a doctor. Just going to school doesn't mean they are competent to work on people. That is why they have extensive post education OJT. A newly certified tech can be next to useless. Look for an experienced tech, one with years on the job, over some piece of paper.
On BMWs I am very experienced and have more skills and experience than many "certified" techs, and certainly more common sense and trouble shooting skills.
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Originally Posted by jaherbst
Not brand specific. Nephew attended.
Jack
Incorrect. I attended so I do know about the school. Students go through 36 weeks of general instruction on motorcycles; six weeks of it basic theory, 30 weeks of hands on in motors, suspension, electronics, etc. Then they take one or more brand specific hands on courses which are designed in conjunction with the brand. HD (24 weeks), BMW (12 weeks), Honda (24 weeks), Yamaha (12 weeks), Kawasaki(12 weeks), and Suzuki(12 weeks) are the brands they are currently teaching.
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Originally Posted by jaherbst
If you find someone you like and are satisfied with, request that person each time. I follow this religiously.
Not all factory or online mechs are any better than the non certified. It really comes down to the individual integrity and due diligence of the person actually working on your equipment not his pedigree.
Jack
Very well put, Jack. I honestly don't know if my tech is BRP Certified or not, nor do I care. He's treated my RTS as well as myself with great service and he seems to really care. What more do I really want.....a cerificate on the wall? I think not. jmho wtfdik
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Originally Posted by Gray Ghost
Incorrect. I attended so I do know about the school. Students go through 36 weeks of general instruction on motorcycles; six weeks of it basic theory, 30 weeks of hands on in motors, suspension, electronics, etc. Then they take one or more brand specific hands on courses which are designed in conjunction with the brand. HD (24 weeks), BMW (12 weeks), Honda (24 weeks), Yamaha (12 weeks), Kawasaki(12 weeks), and Suzuki(12 weeks) are the brands they are currently teaching.
Which School did you attend? How long ago? Nephew attended in 2008 I believe. MMI orMTI? Nephew attended in Phoenix. I hope you did not waste all that time and money and are now reaping the benefits by working full time as a "certified" but not Factory trained Tech/Mech.
Jack
Last edited by jaherbst; 12-27-2016 at 08:42 AM.
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Originally Posted by jaherbst
Which School did you attend? How long ago? Nephew attended in 2008 I believe. MMI orMTI? Nephew attended in Phoenix. I hope you did not waste all that time and money and are now reaping the benefits by working full time as a "certified" but not Factory trained Tech/Mech.
Jack
I attended MMI in Orlando, graduated in 2014. And once again, for the brands taught there, it is "factory" training. Students in Yamaha can take the tests to qualify for Bronze and Silver while in school, certification granted once they are employed at a Yamaha dealership. People hired off the street by a dealership get sent off for training for a couple of weeks once they have some experience under their belt. At least one of the locations they use is MMI at Orlando. Suzuki, HD, and Honda all have levels that the students can go through and then actually receive the certificates once they are employed at a brand dealership.
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Originally Posted by JimVonBaden
Merely being "certified" doesn't necessarily mean they have any real clue on how to work on your bike. It just means they went to school. Kind of like a doctor. Just going to school doesn't mean they are competent to work on people. That is why they have extensive post education OJT. A newly certified tech can be next to useless. Look for an experienced tech, one with years on the job, over some piece of paper.
On BMWs I am very experienced and have more skills and experience than many "certified" techs, and certainly more common sense and trouble shooting skills.
Ironic statement...Same thing for aircraft mechanics.
I have turned down many schools offered to me, actually many of my experienced co workers also decline the schools. Reason being is that the companies want you to be locked in by signing a payback agreement if you leave them in less than the calendar time stated. Many of the schools are not very beneficial to those with years working on the actual aircraft. So the companies send guys with very little experience so they can fulfill the dealer requirements. Sadly, the guy comes back from school, still remains clueless and with little experience and then seldom works on what he went to school for. The techs with a proven track record still do the majority of the real work.
When I became an instructor for training aircraft mechanics, students would tell me all sorts of horror stories about other instructors. Often the other instructors had little to no practical experience working on the aircraft and simply "read their lines" as they instructed. Guess I was lucky, I was recruited as an instructor based on my experience which I conveyed to those wanting to learn.
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Originally Posted by PMK
Ironic statement...Same thing for aircraft mechanics.
I have turned down many schools offered to me, actually many of my experienced co workers also decline the schools. Reason being is that the companies want you to be locked in by signing a payback agreement if you leave them in less than the calendar time stated. Many of the schools are not very beneficial to those with years working on the actual aircraft. So the companies send guys with very little experience so they can fulfill the dealer requirements. Sadly, the guy comes back from school, still remains clueless and with little experience and then seldom works on what he went to school for. The techs with a proven track record still do the majority of the real work.
When I became an instructor for training aircraft mechanics, students would tell me all sorts of horror stories about other instructors. Often the other instructors had little to no practical experience working on the aircraft and simply "read their lines" as they instructed. Guess I was lucky, I was recruited as an instructor based on my experience which I conveyed to those wanting to learn.
My nine solid months of Tech School in the Air Force taught me almost nothing on the practicalities of aircraft maintenance. It did give me some background, but my years of working in my dad's service station taught me a lot more about practical mechanics. I spent five more years getting very good at aircraft and avionics service and repair. Once I graduated I easily got a job working on 707 and 727 cargo planes. No certifications needed. The one certified guy was the "manager" and was completely useless actually working on planes.
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No replacement for experience. I send our bikes to an experienced race tech at my local shop because I know he'll do the job right. Sadly the don't work on Spyders and I have to use a dealer farther away, where they neglected to align the drive sprocket spokes with the rear wheel after changing the belt.
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