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10-13-2016, 08:55 AM
#576
Last edited by Peter Aawen; 01-21-2024 at 06:07 PM.
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10-14-2016, 09:30 PM
#577
Had my 2014 RTS back to my dealer today and they installed a NEW 4916 module, NEW Ignition Switch with New Keys & locks...
Leaving Sunday (10/16/16) for my 2000 mile trip down Skyline Drive/Blue Ridge Parkway/Floyd Garretts Muscle Car Museum/Smokey Mountains & visiting a friend in GA...
A BIG THANK YOU to BRP for stepping up and approving the repairs... Hopefully this will be the end of this problem for me... larryd
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10-20-2016, 04:21 PM
#578
Originally Posted by Deanna777
Jerry, *** Temporary fixes that work : Turn on/off immediately, DO NOT LET YOUR SYSTEM SHUT DOWN for 4 to 5 cycles. ***
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The permanent fix is: getting the dess module & switch replaced. I have a 2014 RTS-SE6. The first time I had the ( July 14,2015 ) dess module replaced, the 2nd time was ( on Aug. 28th, 2015) I had the dess module( part # 710004190) & the switch( part # 710004413) replaced, and it has been 1 year & 1 month since I have had the dess error show up. I know the above part #'s are not the current part #'s.
The current/up to date part # is 710004916.
Deanna
Thanks for the help. Dealer heard back from BRP and was told to install a new module in both Spyders. I told them that others were saying that didn't fix the problem and that the ignition switch also had to be replaced. They said they can only do what BRP authorizes them to do. So we will have to go down the route of having the new modules fail again and then hopefully they would replace the ignition switch as well. What seems odd to me is that BRP hasn't figured out exactly what the problem is and then we can all get the same fix the first time around. Jerry
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10-20-2016, 06:42 PM
#579
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Last edited by Peter Aawen; 01-21-2024 at 06:09 PM.
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10-21-2016, 01:13 AM
#580
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Originally Posted by BLUEKNIGHT911
They would indeed care how much it costs them, Mike...... that's what it's all about.
They would have financial modelling figures from their CFO showing that the cost of tooling up for the new sand mold, thus virtually admitting there is currently a faulty production process and paying for replacing all brackets produced under the old production process, is potentially more expensive than replacing only those that break and self insuring for any damages claims that might arise. Corporate management these days is all about the gamble and the annual bonus if you pull it off...... Hey, even if you don't pull it off and it backfires, you still get your golden handshake and move to another corporation, so what do you have to lose?
Pete
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Harrington, Australia
2021 RT Limited
Setup for Tall & Big.... 200cm/6'7", 140kg/300lbs, 37"inleg.
HeliBars Handlebars
Brake rubber removed to lower pedal for easier long leg/Size 15 EEEEW boot access.
Ikon (Aussie) shocks all round.
Russell Daylong seat 2” taller than stock (in Sunbrella for Aussie heat & water resistance)
Goodyear Duragrip 165/60 fronts (18psi) - provides extra 1/2” ground clearance.
Kenda Kanine rear.
2021 RT Limited , Brake pedal rubber removed for ease of accessing pedal with size 15 boots. Red
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10-21-2016, 10:10 AM
#581
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Originally Posted by PMK
The windscreen arms are not sand cast. The process is too slow and labor intensive. From a cost stand point if the part was produced by this method, they would easily run away from that type of prodution method. No doubt, like the high quality billet windscreen arm produced in Austrailia, the best arm can be machined from billet. Less labor, with a tradeoff of time on the machining center.
Recently, I noticed another brand of windscreen arms. For some reason this latest entry costs 30% more than the Australian version and omits the details of the hexagon shaped bore to match and properly support the arm onto the torsion shaft.
Ironically, I have read many times the cause for failure is the arm is not capable to have the windscreen positioned in the full up or full down position. Myself, this concept of failure does not seem viable, however, I would consider that front tire vibration is absorbed into the arm causing the failure.
.........If they aren't SAND CAST .... then I'm interested in how you think they are made ??? ...................Thanks ...... Mike
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10-21-2016, 02:45 PM
#582
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Originally Posted by BLUEKNIGHT911
......... If they aren't SAND CAST .... then I'm interested in how you think they are made ??? ...................Thanks ...... Mike
Die casting. Explained here pretty well. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Die_casting. There's a pretty high up front capital cost and subsequently a low per item cost. BRP isn't going to make a change until there's an overwhelming economical benefit to doing so, like maybe when the rate of part failure and warranty costs exceed the cost of forged parts. There's no question forged parts would be stronger, but cost a lot more to make.
Sand casting is used mostly for iron based alloys for large items.
2014 Copper RTS
Tri-Axis bars, CB, BajaRon sway bar & shock adjusters, SpyderPop's Bumpskid, NBV peg brackets, LED headlights and modulator, Wolo trumpet air horns, trailer hitch, custom trailer harness, high mount turn signals, Custom Dynamics brake light, LED turn signal lights on mirrors, LED strip light for a dash light, garage door opener, LED lights in frunk, trunk, and saddlebags, RAM mounts and cradles for tablet (for GPS) and phone (for music), and Smooth Spyder belt tensioner.
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10-21-2016, 03:47 PM
#583
Very Active Member
Originally Posted by IdahoMtnSpyder
Die casting. Explained here pretty well. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Die_casting. There's a pretty high up front capital cost and subsequently a low per item cost. BRP isn't going to make a change until there's an overwhelming economical benefit to doing so, like maybe when the rate of part failure and warranty costs exceed the cost of forged parts. There's no question forged parts would be stronger, but cost a lot more to make.
Sand casting is used mostly for iron based alloys for large items.
I read your LINK and agree with the EXPENSE part ..... If they are made this way ??? ....... How's this for a possibility ....3D - carbon fiber ......!!!!!!!.........Mike
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10-23-2016, 09:38 PM
#584
Very Active Member
Current Spyder - 2023 F3 LTD Special Mineral Blue
Red LED NANO Saddlebag Marker Lights with Full Illumination
Sequential Fender LED'S (Amber/Red) with Safety Reflector
Dual Power Plate (12 V & USB ports)
Gremlin Bell
Rear Trunk Organizer (4 holders, 2 Elastic Holders)
Lamonster "Top Cuff" with adjustable drink Holder
SpyderPops Missing Guard Belt
Console Accent Trim (Carbon Fiber Domed Black)
Ultimate F3 Floorboards
Front Fairing Service Access Door Covers (Carbon Fiber Doomed Black)
Sway Bar with Links
Rolo Laser Alignment
Half Cover
A-Arm Daytime Dual Color LED Running Lights with Blinker Module
Hi-Viz DRL and Sequential Mirrors lights
Marinco 12Volt Power Receptacle with polarized leads & slide lock
Show chrome Trunk Shock
Former Spyder - 2014 RTS SE6 Cognac SOLD
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10-26-2016, 10:42 AM
#585
Hi there. When I was volunteering to do demo rides here in Victorville Cal. the rep. from BRP's ad company said you can start the bike without waiting for the info screen. He proved it to me on a new 2016 F3, Ok fine. I tried it 2 times on my 2015 RTS and got a DESS fail both times. I went back to waiting for the info screen, hit the mode button, it started right up. I have determined that it is software dependent. At least in my case i have to be patient and let the software do its thing. Also harder to steal that way. Hope this helps everyone.
Last edited by Peter Aawen; 01-21-2024 at 06:14 PM.
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10-26-2016, 12:00 PM
#586
Very Active Member
Originally Posted by Kc6wfi
Hi there. When I was volunteering to do demo rides here in Victorville Cal. the rep. from BRP's ad company said you can start the bike without waiting for the info screen. He proved it to me on a new 2016 F3, Ok fine. I tried it 2 times on my 2015 RTS and got a DESS fail both times. I went back to waiting for the info screen, hit the mode button, it started right up. I have determined that it is software dependent. At least in my case i have to be patient and let the software do its thing. Also harder to steal that way. Hope this helps everyone.
Only F3's can do that.
Trb-- (Roger)
2014 Cognac STL:Ultimate Seat, Nelson Rigg Tail Pack, Nelson Rigg RS/ST Half Cover, TL fender lights, Squared Away Laser Alignment, BajaRon sway bar and links, Akropovic Sport Silencer
2022 White Pearl F3T
Gone but not forgotten: 2019 F3S Special Series Liquid Titanium
Spyder States Visited
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11-17-2016, 10:13 AM
#587
I have contacted my Congress Representative about this issue. The DESS ERROR is BRP's problem, not ours. BRP should be held responsible for all costs related to the problem.
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G890A using Tapatalk
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11-17-2016, 11:30 AM
#588
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11-17-2016, 06:18 PM
#589
Very Active Member
Originally Posted by wengerda
After sending a second email to BRP, I had BRP approve the parts to be sent prior to my appointment. I took the bike last week to have my bike repaired but the parts were not arrived yet. I asked them why they could not order the parts prior for me getting there, and the answered from the dealer was that if they order parts prior to them to "troubleshooting" the bike and the order the wrong parts, then BRP will not let them return the part. Only time they can return the parts if they get prior permission from BRP. Oh well my bike will be ready next Friday. I ordered the new upgraded BRP rear shock, and the dealer needed the extra days for the order to arrive. I will let you know when I pick up my bike next week.
Good luck! Keep us posted! Deanna
Current Spyder - 2023 F3 LTD Special Mineral Blue
Red LED NANO Saddlebag Marker Lights with Full Illumination
Sequential Fender LED'S (Amber/Red) with Safety Reflector
Dual Power Plate (12 V & USB ports)
Gremlin Bell
Rear Trunk Organizer (4 holders, 2 Elastic Holders)
Lamonster "Top Cuff" with adjustable drink Holder
SpyderPops Missing Guard Belt
Console Accent Trim (Carbon Fiber Domed Black)
Ultimate F3 Floorboards
Front Fairing Service Access Door Covers (Carbon Fiber Doomed Black)
Sway Bar with Links
Rolo Laser Alignment
Half Cover
A-Arm Daytime Dual Color LED Running Lights with Blinker Module
Hi-Viz DRL and Sequential Mirrors lights
Marinco 12Volt Power Receptacle with polarized leads & slide lock
Show chrome Trunk Shock
Former Spyder - 2014 RTS SE6 Cognac SOLD
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11-19-2016, 06:28 PM
#590
The dealer called me this morning to pick up my bike, the Dess module was replaced, now cross my fingers that I wont have the same issue again.
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11-19-2016, 06:33 PM
#591
Very Active Member
Originally Posted by wengerda
The dealer called me this morning to pick up my bike, the Dess module was replaced, now cross my fingers that I wont have the same issue again.
Only the DESS module, Wengerda? Aren't they supposed to replace both the DESS module and the ignition switch to cure it completely? Or is that what you mean by the "module"?
Last edited by Peteoz; 11-19-2016 at 06:39 PM.
Harrington, Australia
2021 RT Limited
Setup for Tall & Big.... 200cm/6'7", 140kg/300lbs, 37"inleg.
HeliBars Handlebars
Brake rubber removed to lower pedal for easier long leg/Size 15 EEEEW boot access.
Ikon (Aussie) shocks all round.
Russell Daylong seat 2” taller than stock (in Sunbrella for Aussie heat & water resistance)
Goodyear Duragrip 165/60 fronts (18psi) - provides extra 1/2” ground clearance.
Kenda Kanine rear.
2021 RT Limited , Brake pedal rubber removed for ease of accessing pedal with size 15 boots. Red
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11-19-2016, 06:36 PM
#592
Very Active Member
Originally Posted by Kc6wfi
Hi there. When I was volunteering to do demo rides here in Victorville Cal. the rep. from BRP's ad company said you can start the bike without waiting for the info screen. He proved it to me on a new 2016 F3, Ok fine. I tried it 2 times on my 2015 RTS and got a DESS fail both times. I went back to waiting for the info screen, hit the mode button, it started right up. I have determined that it is software dependent. At least in my case i have to be patient and let the software do its thing. Also harder to steal that way. Hope this helps everyone.
The F3 and the RT are indeed different at startup, Kc......The F3 will start immediately, the RT won't start without waiting, so there was nothing untoward there
Harrington, Australia
2021 RT Limited
Setup for Tall & Big.... 200cm/6'7", 140kg/300lbs, 37"inleg.
HeliBars Handlebars
Brake rubber removed to lower pedal for easier long leg/Size 15 EEEEW boot access.
Ikon (Aussie) shocks all round.
Russell Daylong seat 2” taller than stock (in Sunbrella for Aussie heat & water resistance)
Goodyear Duragrip 165/60 fronts (18psi) - provides extra 1/2” ground clearance.
Kenda Kanine rear.
2021 RT Limited , Brake pedal rubber removed for ease of accessing pedal with size 15 boots. Red
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11-19-2016, 08:06 PM
#593
Very Active Member
Originally Posted by wengerda
The dealer called me this morning to pick up my bike, the Dess module was replaced, now cross my fingers that I wont have the same issue again.
What is the dess module part #?
I hope the dess module that was replaced was under warranty.
Deanna
Current Spyder - 2023 F3 LTD Special Mineral Blue
Red LED NANO Saddlebag Marker Lights with Full Illumination
Sequential Fender LED'S (Amber/Red) with Safety Reflector
Dual Power Plate (12 V & USB ports)
Gremlin Bell
Rear Trunk Organizer (4 holders, 2 Elastic Holders)
Lamonster "Top Cuff" with adjustable drink Holder
SpyderPops Missing Guard Belt
Console Accent Trim (Carbon Fiber Domed Black)
Ultimate F3 Floorboards
Front Fairing Service Access Door Covers (Carbon Fiber Doomed Black)
Sway Bar with Links
Rolo Laser Alignment
Half Cover
A-Arm Daytime Dual Color LED Running Lights with Blinker Module
Hi-Viz DRL and Sequential Mirrors lights
Marinco 12Volt Power Receptacle with polarized leads & slide lock
Show chrome Trunk Shock
Former Spyder - 2014 RTS SE6 Cognac SOLD
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11-19-2016, 08:21 PM
#594
Originally Posted by Peteoz
The F3 and the RT are indeed different at startup, Kc......The F3 will start immediately, the RT won't start without waiting, so there was nothing untoward there
My 2016 rtl will start right away with no wait necessary.
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11-19-2016, 11:05 PM
#595
Very Active Member
Originally Posted by ndspyderlover
My 2016 rtl will start right away with no wait necessary.
Yes, but Kc is talking about a 2015 RT.
Harrington, Australia
2021 RT Limited
Setup for Tall & Big.... 200cm/6'7", 140kg/300lbs, 37"inleg.
HeliBars Handlebars
Brake rubber removed to lower pedal for easier long leg/Size 15 EEEEW boot access.
Ikon (Aussie) shocks all round.
Russell Daylong seat 2” taller than stock (in Sunbrella for Aussie heat & water resistance)
Goodyear Duragrip 165/60 fronts (18psi) - provides extra 1/2” ground clearance.
Kenda Kanine rear.
2021 RT Limited , Brake pedal rubber removed for ease of accessing pedal with size 15 boots. Red
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11-20-2016, 07:23 AM
#596
Originally Posted by Deanna777
What is the dess module part #?
I hope the dess module that was replaced was under warranty.
Deanna
710004916
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11-20-2016, 07:24 AM
#597
Originally Posted by Peteoz
Only the DESS module, Wengerda? Aren't they supposed to replace both the DESS module and the ignition switch to cure it completely? Or is that what you mean by the "module"?
They only authorized the module #710004916.
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11-20-2016, 08:14 AM
#598
Very Active Member
Originally Posted by Peteoz
Yes, but Kc is talking about a 2015 RT.
2015RT
will do the same. It was new for the 15s.
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11-20-2016, 12:55 PM
#599
Very Active Member
Originally Posted by wengerda
They only authorized the module #710004916.
Sent Pm. Deanna
Current Spyder - 2023 F3 LTD Special Mineral Blue
Red LED NANO Saddlebag Marker Lights with Full Illumination
Sequential Fender LED'S (Amber/Red) with Safety Reflector
Dual Power Plate (12 V & USB ports)
Gremlin Bell
Rear Trunk Organizer (4 holders, 2 Elastic Holders)
Lamonster "Top Cuff" with adjustable drink Holder
SpyderPops Missing Guard Belt
Console Accent Trim (Carbon Fiber Domed Black)
Ultimate F3 Floorboards
Front Fairing Service Access Door Covers (Carbon Fiber Doomed Black)
Sway Bar with Links
Rolo Laser Alignment
Half Cover
A-Arm Daytime Dual Color LED Running Lights with Blinker Module
Hi-Viz DRL and Sequential Mirrors lights
Marinco 12Volt Power Receptacle with polarized leads & slide lock
Show chrome Trunk Shock
Former Spyder - 2014 RTS SE6 Cognac SOLD
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11-23-2016, 12:52 PM
#600
After a week of sitting with the cover on, I went out this morning, and fired up the bike just like normal, no DESS ERROR!!!! Fixed itself!!!
One great thing that has come of this, I've found out that I have towing coverage in my State Farm Comprehensive coverage, I have towing coverage from my AMA membership, and as long as my BRP Warranty is in place, I have $200 per incident towing coverage from BRP. I don't recall that ever being mentioned by the salesman, but after sending a nasty gram to BRP, that was the reply I got from them! I also don't recall ever seeing that mentioned in any of the threads on this forum, but I could have easily missed it!
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