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Hey at least we made the top 5
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Hey i'll take it. At least we aren't in last place.
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There you have it..
For all the bad publicity the numbers don't lie. (okay they get fudged) but I have always said these are reliable machine and suffer no more ailments than the others out there. After all there are only 100,000+/- running around and bet there are more doing that then the others. maybe soon
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I can't believe Honda Isn't closer to the top, They are one of the most trouble free bikes on the market..
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Remember, customer satisfaction does not always mean dependability or trouble free. It is the whole experience.
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You can make any survey point in direction you choose. Ask right number of questions for what you want & ignore the rest. The survey results dont have to show the questions or relevance, just results.
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Originally Posted by Bfromla
You can make any survey point in direction you choose. Ask right number of questions for what you want & ignore the rest. The survey results dont have to show the questions or relevance, just results.
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Correctomundo my good man! You have done your homework. Statistics only show what you want them to show and are manipulated by those trying to make a point or lack of one.
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i'm surprised harley beat out honda
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HD= Customer satisfaction as in Fraternity and club/ family interaction, with brilliant marketing
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I've never had a bad Yamaha either. they didn't even make the top five.
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Originally Posted by STELLING MAN
I can't believe Honda Isn't closer to the top, They are one of the most trouble free bikes on the market..
has had some brake recalls (and a few others) more recently which would have hurt them.
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Whats a Victory and how did they get in first place by such a wide margin??
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Not bad for a company that has not been making motorcycles very long (5)
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AY4B ^^ How did they get ahead by such a wide margin? Easy really, firstly you target mainly the 'likely Victory buyers' in every way you can to get more of them to answer the survey than buyers of other bikes (by city, suburb, dealer, magazine buying profile, internet website, etc, etc) and then you bias the questions towards getting the desired response from satisfied Victory owners.... you can even make some of the 'qualifying questions' work to exclude people who aren't happy Victory owners.
All up, you initially slant the survey so that those who aren't likely to support your desired outcome don't bother answering, then you find whatever reason it takes to exclude the responses that don't agree with your desired outcome..... Going to the slightly ridiculous in order to provide an example, you could go about it something like this:
1). collect any 100 motorcyclists together from those you meet at a Victory Dealers launch;
2). aim your first questions to identify who out of those 100 ride Victory's really like them & then ask ONLY those to proceed apart from a very few 'control' respondents - say 10 avid & happy Victory riders & no more than 2 or 3 riders of any other make (no more than 5 more total) & if you want to show Honda's up as being a poor choice, make sure only 1 of those 'other' respondents is a Honda rider;
3). then ask ONLY those remaining respondents to complete the rest of the survey, knowing the survey questions have been worded to get the answers you want from the happiest Victory owners.....
If there's only one Honda owner out of the total 15 that you allowed to answer the whole thing, then you KNOW that Honda won't figure highly in the results, just like you KNOW that Victory's will score better than the rest in the satisfaction results because of the way you've skewed & worded the questions.
It's just like the 'trick question' game - Answering Yes or No, answer this question "Have you stopped beating your wife yet?" Whaddya say.... "Ye....errr... n.... errrr...errrr"
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Where is the "INDIAN" in this survey??????????????
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Originally Posted by Peter Aawen
AY4B ^^ How did they get ahead by such a wide margin? Easy really, firstly you target mainly the 'likely Victory buyers' in every way you can to get more of them to answer the survey than buyers of other bikes (by city, suburb, dealer, magazine buying profile, internet website, etc, etc) and then you bias the questions towards getting the desired response from satisfied Victory owners.... you can even make some of the 'qualifying questions' work to exclude people who aren't happy Victory owners.
All up, you initially slant the survey so that those who aren't likely to support your desired outcome don't bother answering, then you find whatever reason it takes to exclude the responses that don't agree with your desired outcome..... Going to the slightly ridiculous in order to provide an example, you could go about it something like this:
1). collect any 100 motorcyclists together from those you meet at a Victory Dealers launch;
2). aim your first questions to identify who out of those 100 ride Victory's really like them & then ask ONLY those to proceed apart from a very few 'control' respondents - say 10 avid & happy Victory riders & no more than 2 or 3 riders of any other make (no more than 5 more total) & if you want to show Honda's up as being a poor choice, make sure only 1 of those 'other' respondents is a Honda rider;
3). then ask ONLY those remaining respondents to complete the rest of the survey, knowing the survey questions have been worded to get the answers you want from the happiest Victory owners.....
If there's only one Honda owner out of the total 15 that you allowed to answer the whole thing, then you KNOW that Honda won't figure highly in the results, just like you KNOW that Victory's will score better than the rest in the satisfaction results because of the way you've skewed & worded the questions.
It's just like the 'trick question' game - Answering Yes or No, answer this question "Have you stopped beating your wife yet?" Whaddya say.... "Ye....errr... n.... errrr...errrr"
Yep, just what I was thinkin.
And yes, cruzr Joe, Where is Indian?
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I read somewhere that something like 77% of statistics are made up or wrong.
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Originally Posted by Cruzr Joe
Where is the "INDIAN" in this survey??????????????
Cruzr Joe
I assumed it's included with Victory!
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There's an old saying:
"Figures don't lie; but liars can figure!"
Do I dare say that Statistics can be shown to prove that NOBODY trusts statistical surveys???
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Originally Posted by Bob Denman
There's an old saying:
"Figures don't lie; but liars can figure!"
Do I dare say that Statistics can be shown to prove that NOBODY trusts statistical surveys???
That's not true, it's only 86.27%
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