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Last edited by ataDude; 05-28-2009 at 09:17 PM.
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Take it to 40 and hit the brakes hard?!!..........Weeeeeeh...here I go!!
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Don't do it in your house please...find a nice, deserted back road...
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Originally Posted by 0228lisa
Take it to 40 and hit the brakes hard?!!..........Weeeeeeh...here I go!!
Just make sure the poodle has the seat belt fastened.
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Originally Posted by 0228lisa
Take it to 40 and hit the brakes hard?!!..........Weeeeeeh...here I go!!
So, Lisa.... how did the de-squeaking ride go?
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Here is what I do:
Find stretch of country road.
Get going at least 60.
Slam the brakes on HARD until you stop.
No need to wait for cooling - YET.
Repeat the 60 - 0 hard stops 4-5 times.
Then pull over - shut everything down and let it cool for 15-20 minutes.
Do NOT engage your parking brake.
That should bed them in well and rid the noise for a good 3-4 weeks.
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Originally Posted by Firefly
Here is what I do...
Me? I just ride with a bunch of younger sport bike guys. That seems to do it.
Never had a squeak... except maybe in reverse a few times.
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Likely cause - effect - solution
Lisa, as others have said, this is a common occurance on new Spyders, when you get new brake pads, or even wash the Spyder or ride through water. Actually, you should expect it. It happens in cars too, but it is much more noticeable on cycles.
According to essortment.com ( http://www.essortment.com/hobbies/au...repai_sdvy.htm )
"What causes brake noise?
There are several causes of squeaky brakes, not all of them mean that you have a problem.
Dirt on the brakes – squeaking is a normal reaction of the brake rotor when the pad is new and just wearing in. The pad material is worn away by the braking action, in the process causing brake dirt. This gets on the rotor, or drum, causing the brakes to squeak. In time this will go away as the brakes wear in together.
Outside forces – such as water or oil, from the road or from another system within the car may get on the brake rotor causing it to slip or squeak when in use. Usually, brakes dry quickly, especially if the problem is from outside the car. If the problem continues, be sure to have your car checked for leaks within the car that can be affecting your brakes.
Brake springs – the braking system is made up of a series of springs and hydraulic pistons. A squeaking noise may be coming from one of several springs. This may or may not indicate a problem since springs squeak by nature anyway. This is one case that would warrant having a professional take a look at. "
To stop the squeaking from the most probable cause (dirt & dust on the brake pads and cylinder) you need to remove the dirt. There are cleaners that you can buy and according to some, the 60 mph screeching halt works too.
I am too thrifty/cheap to buy a cleaner and not enough of a daredevil to routinely do the high-speed stop on purpose. What I do ( and it always works for me ) is set the parking brake a few clicks, I then back up about 5 feet - slowly - not more the 5 mph. Then with the brake still set, I pull forward about 5 feet - still going 5 mph or so. Release the parking brake and test the brakes for sound. I have never had to do this more than twice.
I hope this helps.
Tom
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Hmmm
Okay, so I have over 11k miles on my Spyder, and never had the squeaks until the 2nd adjustment to the parking brake. My dealer (is fantastic, and) is taking care of me on this. But, reading this makes me wonder if my issue is the same as above, or different? They are replacing pads and rotors for me, complete new brake job. Any thoughts?
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Hmmmmm . . . . a guess ( which is a half-baked thought )
Originally Posted by Kural
Okay, so I have over 11k miles on my Spyder, and never had the squeaks until the 2nd adjustment to the parking brake. My dealer (is fantastic, and) is taking care of me on this. But, reading this makes me wonder if my issue is the same as above, or different? They are replacing pads and rotors for me, complete new brake job. Any thoughts?
Here is a guess, according to the Owner's Manual, under the Spyder Periodic Maintenance Schedule, they probably Inspected, Cleaned, and Adjusted your Parking Brake. As I understand this, there is not any adjustment of the brake pads, just the inspection and lubrication of mechanical linkages of the parking brake. But, if one of the adjustments included the Master Cylinder Rod, it may have affected how close the brake pad is to the disc, but more likely that the amount of pressure on the pedal to brake, has changed and your brakes may not be exerting the same pressure as they used to. ( according to the Maintenance Manual, the gap between the pad and the disk is not adjustable - but I am pretty sure the pressure the pad presses the disc is. )
As brake dust, road dirt and moisture come together, they can collect or "cake" on the brake pad and disc. This build-up is the most likely cause of the squeak/squeal when you apply the brakes. The distance between the brake pad and the disc is what allows the dust to cake up - more distance means more cake and when you apply the brakes, that cake ( will in effect ) lubricate the contact of the pad and the disc. You will have brakes, but the slippage and compression of the cake will cause the disc to vibrate and resonate - squeak. You can get the same effect when you rub your finger across the rim of a "squeaky clean" plate. Also, if the brake pad surface is uneven, the low spots will collect that dust cake until the pad is evenly worn.
New brake pads will have a coating on them to protect the 'real' brake pad material. This material will wear off quickly and sometimes unevenly, cake up and make new brakes squeak. The manuals say it takes 186 miles to wear in brakes - with frequent braking. If they are new or old, if the brake pad surface is uneven, the low spots will collect that dust cake until the pad is evenly worn.
I think that going backward and forward with the brakes on, as I mentioned above, breaks up the cake on the pad and allows for a firm contact with the disc. Going 60+ and screeching to a stop, probably does the same, though I think you lose some life off your tires.
Despite everything I have wrote, please note I am NOT a brake expert or your service tech. I would bet that if you cleaned your rear brake pads and disc and removed whatever dirt/dust cake was on them, your brakes would not squeak. I would also think that the squeak would come back until the pad surfaces wore in.
So, that is my guess. Hope this helps or gives you some ideas. It also sounds like your dealer will get it fixed.
Tom
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Had the new brake pads installed by my dealer. They are much stronger than the original ones were. However, when I back the bike out of the garage, it absolutly screeches! Put it in first and drive off - no noise whatever. No big deal except that I sound like I am wringing some cat's neck whan I back up. I keep hoping it will abate with time. Meanwhile I have great stopping power.
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Originally Posted by barb36jack31
Had the new brake pads installed by my dealer. They are much stronger than the original ones were. However, when I back the bike out of the garage, it absolutly screeches! Put it in first and drive off - no noise whatever. No big deal except that I sound like I am wringing some cat's neck whan I back up. I keep hoping it will abate with time. Meanwhile I have great stopping power.
I thought the new brake pad material was actually weaker?
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Originally Posted by ataDude
So, Lisa.... how did the de-squeaking ride go?
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The de screeching did help a lot. It also helped my tolerance to know that this is typical among Spyder riders. Still embarrassing though to some degree.
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Originally Posted by Firefly
I thought the new brake pad material was actually weaker?
Well, how do you determine 'stronger' anyway??
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As much jamming on the breaks mine still sounds like a freakin school bus. It seems worse in damp weather.
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Originally Posted by NancysToy
Not weaker...slightly softer.
-Scotty
organic
semi-metallic
metallic
Organic won't make noises but you'll get about 50% of the wear life on them...semi will squeak, but they'll last a good, long time and will give you very good brake response...metallic...lemme see...the only vehicle that now still has them is my 1992 BMW! I've had those brakes forever and they're still going strong...more likely to need a rotor before pads!
The Spyder, IMHO, is best with semi-metallic...you need forceful braking and organic will not hold up!
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My brakes screeched a lot when I first got it...rarely now.
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Originally Posted by bone crusher
organic
semi-metallic
metallic
Organic won't make noises but you'll get about 50% of the wear life on them...semi will squeak, but they'll last a good, long time and will give you very good brake response...metallic...lemme see...the only vehicle that now still has them is my 1992 BMW! I've had those brakes forever and they're still going strong...more likely to need a rotor before pads!
The Spyder, IMHO, is best with semi-metallic...you need forceful braking and organic will not hold up!
Please realize that within these divisions there are all kinds of variations in composition, hardness, and quality. Many different materials are used, even titanium and ceramics. For most motorcycles the choices are limited to only a few variations of semi-metallic pads. Stopping effectiveness, fading resistance, noise, and pad life vary between brands and grades. For the Spyder, at present, we only have the factory pads available. All are semi-metallic, in my understanding. The original pads were of a different composition, and slightly harder. They tend to be noisy. The replacement pads, which will soon be all that is available as dealer stocks run out, are somewhat softer and quieter, with a slightly reduced life as a result. Either should stop your Spyder well! If they do not, look for other problems. An aftermarket pad may someday be available. This may or may not be quieter or cheaper. Until that day, all you can do is keep your brakes clean, use the brakes firmly, and coat the rear of the brake pads with CRC Disk Brake Quiet, as BRP originally authorized, if nothing else works.
-Scotty
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Originally Posted by barb36jack31
Had the new brake pads installed by my dealer. They are much stronger than the original ones were. However, when I back the bike out of the garage, it absolutly screeches! Put it in first and drive off - no noise whatever. No big deal except that I sound like I am wringing some cat's neck whan I back up. I keep hoping it will abate with time. Meanwhile I have great stopping power.
200 used to do this till I brought it in for the 6k service and they replaced the parking brake assembly. Now its quiet. Never had any brake noise going forward.
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To me, what's weird with mine is that I never had noise in 10k+ miles. Not until they worked on my parking brake (Yes, I know they're the same equipment-) did I have one screach. Dealer says they are replacing pads and rotors, complete new everything, on Can-Am's dime. I'm no mechanic, and I accept that I don't *need* to understand everything in life, so I'm fine with this solution... Good to read everyone's information, tho. Interesting about the new 'organic-ish' pads...
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