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    Default 4-Gallon Minimum Fuel-Purchase Proposal

    Just got this from AMA:



    Hosed again? The EPA is reviving the 4-gallon minimum fuel-purchase policy
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    We thought we had put this issue to bed in 2012. But it appears that the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency is still subjecting motorcyclists to a 4-gallon minimum fuel purchase at blender pumps that dispense both E10 and E15.

    As part of its E15 Misfueling Mitigation Program, the EPA is allowing retailers to sell fuel with 10 percent ethanol from the same pump used for blends of 15 percent ethanol. This creates a problem for motorcyclists, who could wind up with as much as a quart of E15 in their tanks even if they select the proper grade of fuel.

    And the ethanol lobby is promoting this approach.

    In its “E15 & Flex Fuel Retailer Roadmap” for fuel retailers, a pro-ethanol group offers this advice:

    “E15 can be sold on the same hose with gasoline (E0 to E10) using this configuration: Require a minimum purchase of four gallons and apply a label stating ‘Minimum Fueling Volume 4 Gallons. Dispensing Less May Violate Federal Law.’” (P. 80, emphasis added).
    The AMA spotted this minimum-purchase policy in 2012 and, with the voices of thousands of motorcyclists, made enough noise that the EPA backed away from it. You can read about that battle here.

    Since the average fuel tank for motorcycles holds less than 4 gallons, riders are unable to buy the required minimum of 4 gallons. And, even motorcycles with larger tanks could end up with a blend with more than 10 percent ethanol. Or, end up fueling what you think is safe fuel and end up with something much worse! Check out what some motorists experienced in Oklahoma recently.

    We thought common sense prevailed at the EPA when on Dec. 17, 2012, the agency informed the AMA it had reversed its decision to require the 4-gallon minimum purchase.

    After the AMA read the pro-ethanol group’s “roadmap,” we immediately sent a letter to the EPA and contacted the EPA public relations office for clarification. The agency has not yet responded to our letter. But the media inquiry prompted a response.

    According to an EPA spokesperson:

    Dispensing E10 in volumes less than 4 gallons from a pump that supplies E10 only is absolutely NOT a violation.
    The excerpted portion you highlighted should refer only to the less than 1% of gas stations that have gasoline pumps that that dispense BOTHE10 and E15 from a single hose or nozzle. The 4 gallon fueling minimum for E10 is only required for these “co-dispensing pumps” and is there to protect consumers. The 4 gallon minimum ensures that engines, that are not allowed to use E15 (like those in motorcycles) do not inadvertently get too much ethanol in the tank. To comply with EPA regulations, most stations with co-dispensing pumps simply put up a sign that says the co-dispensing pump may only be used for passenger vehicles and separately offer a dedicated E10 pump for motorcycles and other engines that cannot use E15. Motorcyclists or other types of vehicles and engines that require E10 in volumes of less than 4 gallons should not have a problem finding E10 in any volume they need.
    Apparently, common sense comes only in fleeting moments—and, once again, motorcyclists end up getting hosed from an ill-conceived program created by unelected Washington bureaucrats.

    Congress and the EPA are not protecting you. Ethanol producers and their lobbyists don’t care about the danger of inadvertently misfueling your motorcycle with E15. And confusing labels at the pump don’t get the message across.

    The key takeaway for motorcyclists is this: If you pull up to a fuel pump that offers E10 and E15, play it safe and look for the legally required pump that only dispenses E10. If you have an older or vintage bike, you need E0 – fuel with no ethanol.

    As motorcyclists, we have to watch out for each other and get the word out: E15 fuel is unsafe and we’ve got to keep it out of our tanks.

    Please send a prewritten comment to your senators and representative by clicking on the “Take Action” link.

    Now more than ever, it is crucial that you and your riding friends become members of the AMA to help protect our riding freedoms. More members mean more clout against the opponents of motorcycling. That support will help fight for your rights – on the road, trail, racetrack, and in the halls of government. If you are a motorcycle rider, join the AMA at www.americanmotorcyclist.com/membership/join.

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    Default Here's the problem as I see it...

    Quote Originally Posted by PrairieSpyder View Post

    We thought common sense prevailed at the EPA.
    I don't think so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Copperman View Post
    I don't think so.
    There is no longer such an entity as common sense.
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    And if you haven't already join the American Motorcyclist Association the AMA. They are fighting this kind of stuff all the time.
    http://americanmotorcyclist.com/

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    Good thing the spyder has a bigger tank. My mower now will be a problem.

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    I wish they would leave the food to be consumed and not make it into fuel.

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    Think about it...just another way to sell more of the crap that nobody wants.

    Glad I live where ethanol is not in use. Makes me want to keep my off the roads in the lower 48.

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    How we can cut our own throats.... so if they make the fuel unusable and we all go electric who are they going to sell the stuff to...???
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    Whaaaaaaat? I have M/C's that only hold 2.5 gallons. That is the G-d D--nest thing I ever heard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JayBros View Post
    There is no longer such an entity as common sense.
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    I received this notice also from the AMA (American Motorcycle Association) and as a member they have a form letter (email) of complaint ready to each of your reps. in the house and senate. They have been lobbying hard against ethanol in our fuels. As an additive to gasoline, it produces more pollution, we get worse gas mileage and it makes gasoline more expensive. Oh, let's not for get the billions of tax dollars that go to the distillers of ethanol as a subsidy!!!!
    Fortunately I have easy access to non-ethanol gasoline which I run in all our vehicles and all small engines we have, lawnmowers, string trimmers...
    After changing over to non-ethanol gas in our vehicles I noticed that gas mileage was up 3 mpg per vehicle. Except for my Spyder, it has always had non-ethanol gas in it.
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    Luckily I have a station that sells 89 no ethanol. I take three 5 Gal race jugs in the back of my truck to the station. 1st gal. from the pump goes in the truck so that I get all good stuff in the jugs. Then I fill my bike or mowers from the jugs at home. PITA, yes but at least I don't have fuel system issues. If I have to fill up on the road not much I can do.

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    Default Death of Common Sense

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    I don't think so.
    The Death of Common Sense

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    Three yards of black fabric enshroud my computer terminal. I am mourning the passing of an old friend by the name of Common Sense.
    His obituary reads as follows:
    Common Sense, aka C.S., lived a long life, but died from heart failure at the brink of the millennium. No one really knows how old he was, his birth records were long ago entangled in miles and miles of bureaucratic red tape.
    Known affectionately to close friends as Horse Sense and Sound Thinking, he selflessly devoted himself to a life of service in homes, schools, hospitals and offices, helping folks get jobs done without a lot of fanfare, whooping and hollering. Rules and regulations and petty, frivolous lawsuits held no power over C.S.
    A most reliable sage, he was credited with cultivating the ability to know when to come in out of the rain, the discovery that the early bird gets the worm and how to take the bitter with the sweet. C.S. also developed sound financial policies (don't spend more than you earn), reliable parenting strategies (the adult is in charge, not the kid) and prudent dietary plans (offset eggs and bacon with a little fiber and orange juice).
    A veteran of the Industrial Revolution, the Great Depression, the Technological Revolution and the Smoking Crusades, C.S. survived sundry cultural and educational trends including disco, the men's movement, body piercing, whole language and new math.
    C.S.'s health began declining in the late 1960s when he became infected with the If-It-Feels-Good, Do-It virus. In the following decades his waning strength proved no match for the ravages of overbearing federal and state rules and regulations and an oppressive tax code. C.S. was sapped of strength and the will to live as the Ten Commandments became contraband, criminals received better treatment than victims and judges stuck their noses in everything from Boy Scouts to professional baseball and golf. His deterioration accelerated as schools implemented zero-tolerance policies. Reports of 6-year-old boys charged with sexual harassment for kissing classmates, a teen suspended for taking a swig of Scope mouthwash after lunch, girls suspended for possessing Midol and an honor student expelled for having a table knife in her school lunch were more than his heart could endure.
    As the end neared, doctors say C.S. drifted in and out of logic but was kept informed of developments regarding regulations on low-flow toilets and mandatory air bags. Finally, upon hearing about a government plan to ban inhalers from 14 million asthmatics due to a trace of a pollutant that may be harmful to the environment, C.S. breathed his last. Services will be at Whispering Pines Cemetery. C.S. was preceded in death by his wife, Discretion; one daughter, Responsibility; and one son, Reason. He is survived by two step-brothers, Half-Wit and Dim-Wit.
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    The epa is the gestapo of ................
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    Quote Originally Posted by vided View Post
    The epa is the gestapo of ................
    This subject is all political
    +1 you have the ethanol corn subsidy to thank for this. Way to go corn-holers.
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    lobbyist .... need a good tar and feathering
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    Quote Originally Posted by Imagestealer View Post
    The Death of Common Sense

    By Lori Borgman

    I liked your post.

    Here is a good read -a New York Times Best Seller - on this very subject. Click here for more information.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JayBros View Post
    There is no longer such an entity as common sense.
    AND THE PROOF OF THAT IS: JOHN McCAIN, PAUL RYAN, MARCO RUBIA, DEBBIE WASSERMAN-SHULTZ ALL WON THEIR PRIMARY ELECTIONS...
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    You really want to get their attention? Fill up and take less than the required 4 gallons. Spill the rest on the ground. Tell the station owner, I paid for it. I can do what I want. Yes I know. Who would do that? Well, give me change back. You going to let them sell the gas twice? I can see it happening folks. If our reps are that stupid. Someone will be stupid enough to do it. Tom
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    Common sense has nothing to do with it. Somewhere someplace a shady deal was made and a politician is now much richer. Follow the money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tango View Post
    You really want to get their attention? Fill up and take less than the required 4 gallons. Spill the rest on the ground. Tell the station owner, I paid for it. I can do what I want. Yes I know. Who would do that? Well, give me change back. You going to let them sell the gas twice? I can see it happening folks. Tom
    Hmm, not sure that would work. However, if you do buy gas from an E10/E15 blended pump you should DEFINITELY pure the first half gallon on the ground. In case the person before you bought the crappy E15 stuff, you've got to clear it out of the hose, before you can fill your tank.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AY4B View Post
    Common sense has nothing to do with it. Somewhere someplace a shady deal was made and a politician is now much richer. Follow the money.
    You're stating the obvious. Like they say on the GEICO commercials... "If you're a politician, you sell your vote and take the money. It's what you do!"

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    I break the law Everytime I fill my personal car. I use 100% pure gasosline. Sticker on the pump states it is for recreational vehicles and collectors cars and small motors and if I use it for other than that I'm breaking some B's law. I have never been asked or given any trouble by the gas station when I pay for the premium non ethanol gas.
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    Didn't you "collect' that car from a dealership? There's no law being broken: your collection is only just starting!

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