Has anyone found a way to remove the start delay using the ECO button?

[Dan McNally]

It would not surprise me if BRP installed the start delay under the misguided assumption that we would all be using this extra time to read the safety card.

You mean we don't have to read the card? But - but - it says so on the screen!

Next, you'll be telling me I can remove the tags on cushions and mattresses!

Society is totally falling apart!

[Wildrice]

So for over 1 year & 2500 miles I've been holding that ECO/Mode button down all the while the safety messages flash across across the screen & NOW I learn all I had to do was push the button once---No wonder it's been a pain in the As*. Gots to love this forum.
Darrell

[Wildrice]

I have never seen so many people sniveling over something so inconsequential...



There's a real easy solution: sell the bike, and get something else to be miserable over.

Thanks for the tip Bob, now I know it's only your issues that are important

[PaladinLV]

YES
There is a way that this can be by-passed and is accomplished via the BUDS.
It is done by bypassing/disabling the security system.
Once accomplished, you turn the key and hit the start. No more DESS errors and instant start.
Hope to have mine "bypassed" at Red Rock Spyder Rally

AJ

I know the new police model doesn't have it. It's a real pain to press the eco button & wait for clearance to start the F3's. Sometimes I think I could leave the key in it as most people won't know how to start it. If anyone has mastered removing the start delay--please advise--I have read the warning on the left service panel & while my memory isn't the greatest I don't need that 3-5 second delay.
Thank you kindly for any assistance,
Darrell

[billybovine]

YES
There is a way that this can be by-passed and is accomplished via the BUDS.
It is done by bypassing/disabling the security system.
Once accomplished, you turn the key and hit the start. No more DESS errors and instant start.
Hope to have mine "bypassed" at Red Rock Spyder Rally

AJ

I don't think that is correct. You will still have to press the mode button even after the DESS has be disabled. Since you have a 2014 model that means waiting for the message to appear.

Let us know what happens after you have the DESS disabled.

[monkeyboymorton]

YES
There is a way that this can be by-passed and is accomplished via the BUDS.
It is done by bypassing/disabling the security system.
Once accomplished, you turn the key and hit the start. No more DESS errors and instant start.
Hope to have mine "bypassed" at Red Rock Spyder Rally

AJ

In the UK that would invalidate my insurance - an immobilisor is a requirement. I would have to fit an aftermarket immobilisor to replace the DESS if I disabled it.

Do you have security requirements quoted in US insurance agreements?

[jcthorne]

In the UK that would invalidate my insurance - an immobilisor is a requirement. I would have to fit an aftermarket immobilisor to replace the DESS if I disabled it.

Do you have security requirements quoted in US insurance agreements?

I cannot vouch for all states, but in Texas, we call the immobilizer device the ignition key and handle bar lock. If that is not sufficient, a nearby .380 usually is. In reality, the DESS does very little beyond what the bar and ignition lock already does and is easily bypassed.

[Wildrice]

So for over 1 year & 2500 miles I've been holding that ECO/Mode button down all the while the safety messages flash across across the screen & NOW I learn all I had to do was push the button once---No wonder it's been a pain in the As*. Gots to love this forum.
Darrell

Went outside to try my early 2015 F3's----Turned on Key, pressed red button to run, put foot on brake, pressed for 1 second the ECO?Mode button & no start---I had to hold the eco/mode button in for 3 seconds---hmmm

[wengerda]

Thank you, I tried this morning and it works, no more waiting for the screen,

[ThreeWheels]

I cannot vouch for all states, but in Texas, we call the immobilizer device the ignition key and handle bar lock. If that is not sufficient, a nearby .380 usually is. In reality, the DESS does very little beyond what the bar and ignition lock already does and is easily bypassed.

I totally agree.
TOTALLY
With the advent of key cloning, the only thing the DESS system does is create another failure mode

[Mikind7]

Was put there to slow down/discourage would be thieves.

[ARtraveler]

Why do you even have to Push a "mode" button. Never had a car, truck, bike or ATV (other than a BRP) that had an "mode" button and they all worked just fine. Has BRP ever given a reason for such a dumb control? It's really the only thing I don't like about my Spyder.

An issue to force you to read the safety card so that BRP could CYA.

Most of us pre 2015'ers have learned to live with it by doing other stuff for the half a minute or so it takes. We all know the safety card does not get read each time. "We don't need no steenkin safety cards."

[ataDude]

Why do you even have to Push a "mode" button. ...

Lawyers, liability, etc. Need I say more?

[monkeyboymorton]

Went outside to try my early 2015 F3's----Turned on Key, pressed red button to run, put foot on brake, pressed for 1 second the ECO?Mode button & no start---I had to hold the eco/mode button in for 3 seconds---hmmm

OK, to work throught that:

1. I never flick the red run switch to turn off the bike. I use the key. So my run switch is already in the on position when I switch on with the key. That may have an impact as you're turing on with the key and then putting the red switch to run. May add a delay?

2. You say you're pressing the ECO switch for 1 second, again that's not required. Just a quick press and release is all that's needed. Then hit the starter.

So to go through the order:

1. Make sure run switch is on
2. Turn key to on
3. Quick press on ECO/Mode
4. Hit starter

It should start immediately.

[ARtraveler]

Holding the mode button for more than a second will activate ECO mode which you may or may not want to use. If you have the green leaf on your dash--you are in ECO mode. It does make the performance change up a bit. You either like it or don't. I don't. My favorite rant--again--I want my automatic trunk release back. Keep your ECO mode.

[monkeyboymorton]

I cannot vouch for all states, but in Texas, we call the immobilizer device the ignition key and handle bar lock. If that is not sufficient, a nearby .380 usually is. In reality, the DESS does very little beyond what the bar and ignition lock already does and is easily bypassed.

LOL!! I like the .380!! Guns are not allowed as part of any anti theft strategy here. Well, not allowed at all.

I did wonder because I have noticed there's not much anti theft on US vehicles. We have a lot. As I have no garage I had to have a tracker fitted to get theft cover on my insurance. All UK vehicles have alarms/immobilisors as standard and the more exotic stuuf has to have higher spec units to be covered by insurers.

We had a real problem with theft for joy riding in the 90s and that led the push to standard fit immobilisors. Insurance for some performance cars here in the 90s could be more than the value of the car. It was a mad time. Not nearly as bad now.

So this DESS key thing is normal here. What isn't normal however, is all the problems. It's rare to have issues with keys with chips in them on any other vehicle.

[Bob Denman]

In my neck of the woods: folks have either learned to respect the property rights of others...

...Or they learn about marksmanship: the hard way!

[SilverFox1]

Why is everybody in such a hurry?

[Tango]

Just tried this myself. Started right up. Tom

[PaladinLV]

After thinking about what you said, you may be ABSOLUTELY correct.
I could not find the original post regarding changing the software.

But will definitely let peeps know.

I don't think that is correct. You will still have to press the mode button even after the DESS has be disabled. Since you have a 2014 model that means waiting for the message to appear.

Let us know what happens after you have the DESS disabled.

[Peteoz]

You're welcome, I was the same but did it absentmindedly one day. Now I don't even look at the display to start it.

Aaarrrrrgggghhh. Yep, I was the same too, Monkeyboy......until today...thanks.

Mind you, it didn't really bother me, but there was always that thought in the back of my mind "what if I am parked somewhere remote and a Yeti appears out of nowhere.....by the time I get the Spyder started it will have eaten me".

Between the Yeti and the DESS error, I was getting too frightened to take the Spyder out of the garage ......

Pete

[Bswank]

My dealer told me if you are going to rob banks this is not the machine to buy.

[Gilda]

I tried this with my 2015 ST L SE5. Didn't work.

[irvin48]

My dealer told me if you are going to rob banks this is not the machine to buy.

you almost have to to buy one and maintain it. irv

[Bob Denman]

My dealer told me if you are going to rob banks this is not the machine to buy.

NOTE TO SELF: Buy a different bike for robbing banks. Perhaps something subtle and unnoticeable: like a Boss Hoss!

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