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05-27-2023, 11:01 AM
#1051
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![Quote](images/misc/quote_icon.png) Originally Posted by cruisinTX
hmmm, you must be thinking the same thing I am. Find the power wire to the DESS and simply diconnect it.
Sorry, won't work. One of the criteria for the ECM to permit engine start is "D.E.S.S. recognizes the key." If you simply cut power to the DESS module the ECM will not get the key info from it. If the ECM can't get the key info from the DESS it won't give the OK signal to start the engine. That's why the only way to "Disable the DESS" is to use BUDS to change the parameter inside the ECM so it skips the valid key check.
Keep in mind DESS doesn't mean only the module but also the software program. It's Digitally Encoded Security System.
Last edited by IdahoMtnSpyder; 05-27-2023 at 11:05 AM.
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2014 Copper RTS
Tri-Axis bars, CB, BajaRon sway bar & shock adjusters, SpyderPop's Bumpskid, NBV peg brackets, LED headlights and modulator, Wolo trumpet air horns, trailer hitch, custom trailer harness, high mount turn signals, Custom Dynamics brake light, LED turn signal lights on mirrors, LED strip light for a dash light, garage door opener, LED lights in frunk, trunk, and saddlebags, RAM mounts and cradles for tablet (for GPS) and phone (for music), and Smooth Spyder belt tensioner.
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07-03-2023, 07:25 PM
#1052
Very Active Member
I thought I had already posted this but guess not. I need to thank James Thorne from Houston, Tx. for having exorcised the DESS gremlins from my 2014 RT-L when we met up in Las Vegas, NM on Friday, June 23rd. Hoping that is the last I ever see of that worthless piece of technology built in by the "oh so brilliant BRP engineers."
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Those who say " I can't" will always be right.
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07-03-2023, 08:45 PM
#1053
Very Active Member
![Quote](images/misc/quote_icon.png) Originally Posted by cruisinTX
I thought I had already posted this but guess not. I need to thank James Thorne from Houston, Tx. for having exorcised the DESS gremlins from my 2014 RT-L when we met up in Las Vegas, NM on Friday, June 23rd. Hoping that is the last I ever see of that worthless piece of technology built in by the "oh so brilliant BRP engineers."
crusinTX,
Thanks for posting!
Deanna
Current Spyder - 2023 F3 LTD Special Mineral Blue
Red LED NANO Saddlebag Marker Lights with Full Illumination
Sequential Fender LED'S (Amber/Red) with Safety Reflector
Dual Power Plate (12 V & USB ports)
Gremlin Bell
Rear Trunk Organizer (4 holders, 2 Elastic Holders)
Lamonster "Top Cuff" with adjustable drink Holder
SpyderPops Missing Guard Belt
Console Accent Trim (Carbon Fiber Domed Black)
Ultimate F3 Floorboards
Front Fairing Service Access Door Covers (Carbon Fiber Doomed Black)
Sway Bar with Links
Rolo Laser Alignment
Half Cover
A-Arm Daytime Dual Color LED Running Lights with Blinker Module
Hi-Viz DRL and Sequential Mirrors lights
Former Spyder - 2014 RTS SE6 Cognac SOLD
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07-12-2023, 04:18 PM
#1054
Active Member
Got my DESS deactivated today one problem i won't have.
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07-12-2023, 07:22 PM
#1055
Very Active Member
![Quote](images/misc/quote_icon.png) Originally Posted by helton61
Got my DESS deactivated today one problem i won't have.
helton61,
What year is your spyder?
What is your spyder model?
Deanna
Current Spyder - 2023 F3 LTD Special Mineral Blue
Red LED NANO Saddlebag Marker Lights with Full Illumination
Sequential Fender LED'S (Amber/Red) with Safety Reflector
Dual Power Plate (12 V & USB ports)
Gremlin Bell
Rear Trunk Organizer (4 holders, 2 Elastic Holders)
Lamonster "Top Cuff" with adjustable drink Holder
SpyderPops Missing Guard Belt
Console Accent Trim (Carbon Fiber Domed Black)
Ultimate F3 Floorboards
Front Fairing Service Access Door Covers (Carbon Fiber Doomed Black)
Sway Bar with Links
Rolo Laser Alignment
Half Cover
A-Arm Daytime Dual Color LED Running Lights with Blinker Module
Hi-Viz DRL and Sequential Mirrors lights
Former Spyder - 2014 RTS SE6 Cognac SOLD
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07-12-2023, 08:25 PM
#1056
Very Active Member
![Quote](images/misc/quote_icon.png) Originally Posted by helton61
Got my DESS deactivated today one problem i won't have.
Please tell everyone here who did it ...... EVERYONE wants to know this .... it gets asked a lot here .....Thanks .... Mike
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07-12-2023, 08:59 PM
#1057
Wow, 44 pages of this. DESS error twice on my nearly new 2022 F3s.
Last edited by Vincef329; 07-13-2023 at 06:17 AM.
Vince F in Niagara Falls
2022 Spyder F3 Special Edition
2020 Ryker Rally, sold
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2022 F3S , Stock Lamonster black diamond Monolith Black Satin
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07-12-2023, 11:24 PM
#1058
Very Active Member
![Quote](images/misc/quote_icon.png) Originally Posted by Vincef329
Wow, 44 pages of this. DESS error twice on my nearly new 2022 F3s...
Hopefully " BRP Cares " doesn't read Your post. .... Dis-abling DESS isn't something BRP would tolerate - -JMHO ..... Mike
Last edited by Peter Aawen; 01-21-2024 at 09:33 PM.
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07-13-2023, 06:37 AM
#1059
Active Member
![Quote](images/misc/quote_icon.png) Originally Posted by Deanna777
helton61,
What year is your spyder?
What is your spyder model?
Deanna
16 spyder RTL
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07-13-2023, 07:01 AM
#1060
Very Active Member
![Quote](images/misc/quote_icon.png) Originally Posted by BLUEKNIGHT911
Hopefully " BRP Cares " doesn't read Your post. .... Dis-abling DESS isn't something BRP would tolerate - -JMHO ..... Mike ![thumbup](images/smilies/thumbup.gif)
If they had half a brain they would do something different! Oh wait, that would mean someone won't make any money, silly me what was I thinking!
Last edited by Peter Aawen; 01-21-2024 at 09:33 PM.
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07-13-2023, 07:47 AM
#1061
Active Member
So this is a safety issue, like not being able to start and move your vehicle out of the way of traffic issues, lightning storms , etc. This needs many people to open a NHTSA case as safety issue so that Can Am is forced to not only replace but replace the system with something that actually works , first time every time. This should include the antenna and /or keylock as they are integral on the later spyders like my 2019 RTL.
If 1000 people do this NHSTA will be forced to open an investigation. BOMBARD them people !!!!!!!
Last edited by WRCLVR; 07-26-2023 at 04:17 PM.
2024 RT SEa To Sky ( back ahome after screen issues fixed looking forward to the BajaRon event May 1-5 )
2023 RT Sea to Sky Shadow Green ( guess what NO errors at all in 8 months of owning....)
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07-13-2023, 09:01 AM
#1062
Very Active Member
![Quote](images/misc/quote_icon.png) Originally Posted by WRCLVR
Sso this is a safety issue, like not being able to start and move your vehicle out of the way of traffic issues, lightning storms , etc. This needs many people to open a NHTSA case as safety issue so that Can Am is forced to not only replace but replace the system with something that actually works , first time every time. This should include the antenna and /or keylock as they are integral on the later spyders like my 2019 RTL.
If 1000 people do this NHSTA will be forced to open an investigation. BOMBARD them people !!!!!!!
BRP HAD a DESS system that worked fine ...... PRIOR TO 2014!!!! .... then some idiot engineer, tried to fix it even tho it wasn't BROKE .... Mike PS read post # 1082 above .....
Last edited by Peter Aawen; 07-17-2023 at 07:25 PM.
Reason: Color & ' 's ;-)
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07-13-2023, 01:44 PM
#1063
Very Active Member
![Quote](images/misc/quote_icon.png) Originally Posted by WRCLVR
Sso this is a safety issue, like not being able to start and move your vehicle out of the way of traffic issues, lightning storms , etc. This needs many people to open a NHTSA case as safety issue so that Can Am is forced to not only replace but replace the system with something that actually works , first time every time. This should include the antenna and /or keylock as they are integral on the later spyders like my 2019 RTL.
If 1000 people do this NHSTA will be forced to open an investigation. BOMBARD them people !!!!!!!
WRCLVR, ![agree](images/smilies/agree.gif)
Deanna
Current Spyder - 2023 F3 LTD Special Mineral Blue
Red LED NANO Saddlebag Marker Lights with Full Illumination
Sequential Fender LED'S (Amber/Red) with Safety Reflector
Dual Power Plate (12 V & USB ports)
Gremlin Bell
Rear Trunk Organizer (4 holders, 2 Elastic Holders)
Lamonster "Top Cuff" with adjustable drink Holder
SpyderPops Missing Guard Belt
Console Accent Trim (Carbon Fiber Domed Black)
Ultimate F3 Floorboards
Front Fairing Service Access Door Covers (Carbon Fiber Doomed Black)
Sway Bar with Links
Rolo Laser Alignment
Half Cover
A-Arm Daytime Dual Color LED Running Lights with Blinker Module
Hi-Viz DRL and Sequential Mirrors lights
Former Spyder - 2014 RTS SE6 Cognac SOLD
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08-22-2023, 07:48 PM
#1064
Very Active Member
Has anyone had any DESS errors/or problems lately on the new spyder models (2020 +)?
Deanna
Last edited by Peter Aawen; 01-21-2024 at 09:35 PM.
Current Spyder - 2023 F3 LTD Special Mineral Blue
Red LED NANO Saddlebag Marker Lights with Full Illumination
Sequential Fender LED'S (Amber/Red) with Safety Reflector
Dual Power Plate (12 V & USB ports)
Gremlin Bell
Rear Trunk Organizer (4 holders, 2 Elastic Holders)
Lamonster "Top Cuff" with adjustable drink Holder
SpyderPops Missing Guard Belt
Console Accent Trim (Carbon Fiber Domed Black)
Ultimate F3 Floorboards
Front Fairing Service Access Door Covers (Carbon Fiber Doomed Black)
Sway Bar with Links
Rolo Laser Alignment
Half Cover
A-Arm Daytime Dual Color LED Running Lights with Blinker Module
Hi-Viz DRL and Sequential Mirrors lights
Former Spyder - 2014 RTS SE6 Cognac SOLD
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08-22-2023, 08:59 PM
#1065
Very Active Member
![Quote](images/misc/quote_icon.png) Originally Posted by Deanna777
Has anyone had any DESS errors/ or problems lately on the new spyder models (2020 +)?
Deanna
Read post #1057 ..... Mike
Last edited by Peter Aawen; 01-21-2024 at 09:35 PM.
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08-23-2023, 06:16 AM
#1066
Very Active Member
2014 Starting to get the error on mine now. Out of warranty. Anyone have an idea what the cost is to fix this? I am sure my local dealer here in GA will not disable it.
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08-23-2023, 07:19 AM
#1067
Very Active Member
Last edited by Peter Aawen; 08-23-2023 at 09:05 AM.
Reason: Merged immediately consecutive posts...
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08-23-2023, 09:45 AM
#1068
Very Active Member
![Quote](images/misc/quote_icon.png) Originally Posted by Mikey
This thread is the gift that keeps on giving!! Good job girl, I think it's the all-time longest right up with, what did you do to your Spyder today!
Go back to the first post and read down through them one more time. ![2thumbs](images/smilies/a18.gif) Then find some one that has BUDS and get it unhooked! Good luck my friend!! Technology you got to love it, and hate it at the same time.
I have read the entire thread. It has been a long morning, lol. More info, this has been happening for a bit off and on. I can get by it, sometimes quickly, sometimes not (turning key on/off, waiting, etc). Does anyone know someone in the Atlanta area that can turn it off? If you don't want to post it, PM me. Thanks.
Last edited by Peter Aawen; 08-23-2023 at 12:26 PM.
Reason: post.... :-/
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08-23-2023, 10:38 AM
#1069
Very Active Member
The DESS error was covered by an SB!
Sorry no longer remember number - look it up.
An SB should mean (it is COVERED) by BRP and should not need to worry about cost.
So "maybe" to save $$$ the Dealership will just disable via BUDs; then again maybe not.
But the cost should be on BRP, not you.
Check it out.
AJ
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2014 RT-S
Akrapovic Exhaust & Cat Bypass
Bajaron Sway Bar w/links / Sena SM-10/Garmin 660
Comfort Seat w Adjustable Backrest
Decals by Purple Harley / Magic Strobe
Kuryakyn Black Widow Pegs Rivco Highway Brackets
Rivco Trunk Mounted Double Flag Holder
FOBO / Spyder Cuff / XM Radio w MC Antenna
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08-23-2023, 10:47 AM
#1070
Very Active Member
RECORD_ID: 2917249
Bulletin Number: A104494
Replacement Service Bulletin Number: N/A
NHTSA Item Number: 10185868
Date Posted: 11-05-2015
Component Name: 110000 ELECTRICAL SYSTEM
Make: CAN-AM
Model: SPYDER RT
Year: 2014
Date Added: 01-25-2021
Summary: Intermittently, the ignition key may not be recognized causing the unit not to start.
Found that. So if it has a SB, it is covered, even though it out of warranty??
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08-23-2023, 11:28 AM
#1071
Very Active Member
![Quote](images/misc/quote_icon.png) Originally Posted by Hawk
RECORD_ID: 2917249
Bulletin Number: A104494
Replacement Service Bulletin Number: N/A
NHTSA Item Number: 10185868
Date Posted: 11-05-2015
Component Name: 110000 ELECTRICAL SYSTEM
Make: CAN-AM
Model: SPYDER RT
Year: 2014
Date Added: 01-25-2021
Summary: Intermittently, the ignition key may not be recognized causing the unit not to start.
Found that. So if it has a SB, it is covered, even though it out of warranty??
Since you are on the "DESS" thread, you think you have a DESS Failure issue ..... (ie. orange screen of Death). Contact your Dealer and see if they know about the SB and IF they will honor it? ..... As far as cancelling it, I seriously doubt the dealer will or even can do that ..... good news .... I'm pretty sure the "Netzley boys" will be selling at "Maggie Valley" in the beginning of Oct. (check the dates posted on the Home page) .... they now have the capability to CANCEL the DESS module. I would contact them and ask and or set up an appointment .... good luck .... Mike .... I just discovered that BAJARON (in Tenn.) can cancel DESS also ..... M
Last edited by Peter Aawen; 09-08-2023 at 08:16 AM.
Reason: Caps; ' 's; colours... ;-)
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08-23-2023, 01:26 PM
#1072
Very Active Member
Thanks BLUEKNIGHT911!! Will see about going to MV!!! Have not been to a Spyder function in some time!!
Last edited by Peter Aawen; 09-08-2023 at 08:17 AM.
Reason: Fixed quote display ;-)
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08-23-2023, 03:56 PM
#1073
Very Active Member
![Quote](images/misc/quote_icon.png) Originally Posted by Hawk
2014 Starting to get the error on mine now. Out of warranty. Anyone have an idea what the cost is to fix this? I am sure my local dealer here in GA will not disable it.
Hawk,
I don't know what the cost would be to fix it. The dealerships wont fix the disable DESS.
Deanna
Current Spyder - 2023 F3 LTD Special Mineral Blue
Red LED NANO Saddlebag Marker Lights with Full Illumination
Sequential Fender LED'S (Amber/Red) with Safety Reflector
Dual Power Plate (12 V & USB ports)
Gremlin Bell
Rear Trunk Organizer (4 holders, 2 Elastic Holders)
Lamonster "Top Cuff" with adjustable drink Holder
SpyderPops Missing Guard Belt
Console Accent Trim (Carbon Fiber Domed Black)
Ultimate F3 Floorboards
Front Fairing Service Access Door Covers (Carbon Fiber Doomed Black)
Sway Bar with Links
Rolo Laser Alignment
Half Cover
A-Arm Daytime Dual Color LED Running Lights with Blinker Module
Hi-Viz DRL and Sequential Mirrors lights
Former Spyder - 2014 RTS SE6 Cognac SOLD
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08-23-2023, 04:06 PM
#1074
Very Active Member
![Quote](images/misc/quote_icon.png) Originally Posted by Mikey
This thread is the gift that keeps on giving!! Good job girl, I think it's the all-time longest right up with, what did you do to your Spyder today!
Go back to the first post and read down through them one more time. ![2thumbs](images/smilies/a18.gif) Then find some one that has BUDS and get it unhooked! Good luck my friend!! Technology you got to love it, and hate it at the same time.
Mikey,
Yes, this thread has a lot of excellent info. Thank You!!! Yes, this thread is very long. Thanks
Good luck!
Deanna
Current Spyder - 2023 F3 LTD Special Mineral Blue
Red LED NANO Saddlebag Marker Lights with Full Illumination
Sequential Fender LED'S (Amber/Red) with Safety Reflector
Dual Power Plate (12 V & USB ports)
Gremlin Bell
Rear Trunk Organizer (4 holders, 2 Elastic Holders)
Lamonster "Top Cuff" with adjustable drink Holder
SpyderPops Missing Guard Belt
Console Accent Trim (Carbon Fiber Domed Black)
Ultimate F3 Floorboards
Front Fairing Service Access Door Covers (Carbon Fiber Doomed Black)
Sway Bar with Links
Rolo Laser Alignment
Half Cover
A-Arm Daytime Dual Color LED Running Lights with Blinker Module
Hi-Viz DRL and Sequential Mirrors lights
Former Spyder - 2014 RTS SE6 Cognac SOLD
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08-23-2023, 04:08 PM
#1075
Very Active Member
![Quote](images/misc/quote_icon.png) Originally Posted by Hawk
RECORD_ID: 2917249
Bulletin Number: A104494
Replacement Service Bulletin Number: N/A
NHTSA Item Number: 10185868
Date Posted: 11-05-2015
Component Name: 110000 ELECTRICAL SYSTEM
Make: CAN-AM
Model: SPYDER RT
Year: 2014
Date Added: 01-25-2021
Summary: Intermittently, the ignition key may not be recognized causing the unit not to start.
Found that. So if it has a SB, it is covered, even though it out of warranty??
Hawk,
Where did you find the above info?
Deanna
Current Spyder - 2023 F3 LTD Special Mineral Blue
Red LED NANO Saddlebag Marker Lights with Full Illumination
Sequential Fender LED'S (Amber/Red) with Safety Reflector
Dual Power Plate (12 V & USB ports)
Gremlin Bell
Rear Trunk Organizer (4 holders, 2 Elastic Holders)
Lamonster "Top Cuff" with adjustable drink Holder
SpyderPops Missing Guard Belt
Console Accent Trim (Carbon Fiber Domed Black)
Ultimate F3 Floorboards
Front Fairing Service Access Door Covers (Carbon Fiber Doomed Black)
Sway Bar with Links
Rolo Laser Alignment
Half Cover
A-Arm Daytime Dual Color LED Running Lights with Blinker Module
Hi-Viz DRL and Sequential Mirrors lights
Former Spyder - 2014 RTS SE6 Cognac SOLD
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