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    Quote Originally Posted by Deanna777 View Post
    Yes, the dealer should take care of the issue for you, it is covered" UNDER WARRENTY". Deanna
    Maybe out of warranty unless it was extended??

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    can hooking power supply cords such as heated clothing cords or trailer wiring harness directly to the battery give a d.e.s.s. code when neither is in use. The dealership asked these questions when trying to figure out why i continue to get the code after they replaced the d.e.s.s. module.
    From everything I know about DESS ( and this is more than most ) ..... I have not heard of extra electrical stuff being an issue..... The DESS module interacts with the chip in the ignition switch ..... Some here have had to get an ignition switch in conjunction with the module ..... I didn't but it isn't clear in the minds at BRP EXACTLY what causes the DESS failure...... there have been 4 different modules since 2014 ...... IMHO some engineer decided to fix a non-existant problem ..... the 2009 to 2013 didn't have a problem .... then the module was changed and BRP has problems up the WaZoo ....go figure ... Mike
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    Quote Originally Posted by trikermutha View Post
    Maybe out of warranty unless it was extended??
    It is Covered under the "Extended Warranty"( B.E.S.T). Ask your dealership.

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    We prefer the nuclear option. Just turn DESS OFF and be done with it. Useless system that only serves to keep the owner from riding. Does not deter theft by any knowledgeable vehicle theft team. Its easily bypassed without the key present.

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    Jcthorne... how do u bypass? Mine is 2016 f3s e6

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    Jcthorne... how do u bypass? Mine is 2016 f3s e6

    Requires MegaTech version of BUDS. Several shops around the country offer it, including ours. Most dealers do not opt for the upgraded version that has access to the security system.

    In BUDS, its a simple toggle of a setting.

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    Well I have an appointment to take my Spyder into the Dealer 2-9-18. So will see how everything goes. I have to get it fixed because I don't want to get stranded out some where. Will let you know how it turns out.
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    Well I picked up my Spyder this morning from the Dealer 2-13-18. Here is the Dealer comments as written on the work order. No codes stored in (BUDS). But we and BRP have seen this before, BRPS recommendation is to change out the DESS MODULE. If it comes back , then replace the DESS ANTENNA. So the DESS MODULE was replaced and both my keys were reprogrammed. This was accomplished under extended warranty and with no charges to me. I'm a happy camper and hope that this takes care of my DESS issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by A1A View Post
    Well I picked up my Spyder this morning from the Dealer 2-13-18. Here is the Dealer comments as written on the work order. No codes stored in (BUDS). But we and BRP have seen this before, BRPS recommendation is to change out the DESS MODULE. If it comes back , then replace the DESS ANTENNA. So the DESS MODULE was replaced and both my keys were reprogrammed. This was accomplished under extended warranty and with no charges to me. I'm a happy camper and hope that this takes care of my DESS issue.
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    The 2nd time( On Aug. 28, 2015) my dealership replaced the DESS MODULE, & Ignition Switch, Reprogramed Keys, Changed the trunk lock/and gave me a new trail lock. The above work was done @ 8,740 miles, and since then I have not had the DESS Key code show up on the screen. My current mileage is 22,000. Also I have a 2014RTS-SE6.

    The first time ( on July 14,2015) my dealership replaced the DESS MODULE.

    I hope you don't get the DESS issue Good Luck!

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    I am guessing go with the cheaper repair first then the harder more expensive repair next if the module doesn't work out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deanna777 View Post
    The 2nd time( On Aug. 28, 2015) my dealership replaced the DESS MODULE, & Switch, Reprogramed Keys, Changed the trunk lock/and gave me a new trail lock. The above work was done @ 8,740 miles, and since then I have not had the DESS Key code show up on the screen. My current mileage is 22,000. Also I have a 2014RTS-SE6.

    The first time ( on July 14,2015) my dealership replaced the DESS MODULE.

    I hope you don't get the DESS issue Good Luck!

    Deanna
    Thanks Deanna, I had 18,803 miles on mine when the DESS MODULE was replaced. I also hope you do not get another DESS issue as well.
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    anyone close to nw illinois that can deactivate.?-- irv toms
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    That DESS "antenna" they are speaking of is part of the ignition switch on a 2014. So the ignition switch is what they will replace.

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    Quote Originally Posted by A1A View Post
    Well I picked up my Spyder this morning from the Dealer 2-13-18. Here is the Dealer comments as written on the work order. No codes stored in (BUDS). But we and BRP have seen this before, BRPS recommendation is to change out the DESS MODULE. If it comes back , then replace the DESS ANTENNA. So the DESS MODULE was replaced and both my keys were reprogrammed. This was accomplished under extended warranty and with no charges to me. I'm a happy camper and hope that this takes care of my DESS issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by A1A View Post
    Thanks Deanna, I had 18,803 miles on mine when the DESS MODULE was replaced. I also hope you do not get another DESS issue as well.
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    A1A, I hope I don't get another DESS issue either. If I do I'll post on this Thread ( which I started in July of 2015), If I do I know it is covered under the B.E.S.T Warranty.

    Good Luck!

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaladinLV View Post
    That DESS "antenna" they are speaking of is part of the ignition switch on a 2014. So the ignition switch is what they will replace.

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    Quote Originally Posted by A1A View Post
    Well I picked up my Spyder this morning from the Dealer 2-13-18. Here is the Dealer comments as written on the work order. No codes stored in (BUDS). But we and BRP have seen this before, BRPS recommendation is to change out the DESS MODULE. If it comes back , then replace the DESS ANTENNA. So the DESS MODULE was replaced and both my keys were reprogrammed. This was accomplished under extended warranty and with no charges to me. I'm a happy camper and hope that this takes care of my DESS issue.
    Cheers
    I've had my DESS module replaced .... by real BRP Tech's ...... they told me the keys have nothing to do with the DESS module ..... and they didn't do mine .......... So either your dealer isn't as up on this as they think they are or they just did it anyway for some unknown reason ...... Mike

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    I placed an order today for a DESS Module #710004916 with Cheap Motorcycle Parts. I am to have it next week sometime. I will switch it out myself. I have a 2015 Spyder RT and have had it little over 10 months and have put over 10,000 miles on it. It now has 20,700 miles on it. I have had DESS Key orange screen about 4 times, once last September and about two weeks ago and all I have ever had to do is remove the key and put it back. I was not much worried about it until BLUEKNIGHT911 tells me I am going to be stranded. I sure hope this is all I need. I only have one key so as soon as I get the module changed I have a blank key and will have it cut and someone program it for me.
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    My buddy had a 2018 out for the weekend to test drive... guess what? it went back on a tow truck! 772 km on it, parked it overnight at a resort we were all staying at (20 some bikes) and the next morning CHECK KEY error.... needless to say he was spun off into a new dimension of pissed off, especially when the Honda guys, the Kawi guy (that's me) and the Harley guys were all able to finish our ride and his tester s-h-i-t the bed. In the very short future I will be offering (for a reasonable price) DESS deactivation to any and all that never want to experience this stupid UNFIXED engineering flaw; this deactivation will be good for all BRP products..... I'm and automotive Red Seal GM Grand Master Technician with SET (specialized electrical training/certification) so I'm pretty sure if I couldn't get it running nobody could... I even tried a redundant ground ESD/EMI drain wire to the casing of the ignition switch housing in case there was a static charge in the pickup coil all to no avail.

    I do A LOT of work on local Spyders... I'm in no way shape or form crapping on them.. I'm just pointing out the cold hard obvious truth... they're actually a great bike except for this potentially hazardous flaw. Imagine getting caught somewhere on your Spyder or quad and extreme weather is barrelling down on you and you're not prepared for it or there's some other life threatening situation rapidly deteriorating (like an angry bear hot on your heels) and you hop on your ride only to experience CHECK KEY.... funny my bikes don't have any security like this, so I put on a simple $30 security systems and it is just as effective or actually even more effective than the DESS as my bike starts to scream bloody murder if you so much as look at it wrong and my security system cuts out the fuel injectors and spark; whereas a set of side cutters and your Spyder is quietly being pushed into a trailer and carted away even with DESS working. BRP REALLY needs to do as Ducati, Harley and Indian do and provide a means for a quick PIN code input and you're up and running (but I guess that would take away from the thousands of dollars of so called fixes they get to sell you outside of warranty).... or give you the option as it's your property to damn well deactivate it!

    Another one of my Spyder customers just spent $4500 getting this "fixed" on his Spyder that was 28 days outside of warranty and guess what he called up the other day saying he had the key error AGAIN (he had the DESS module, the ignition switch and the cluster replaced by a dealer I've never dealt with in a different province).... I know two Spyder owners that are now getting so fed up with this situation and water intrusion issues in fuse boxes etc etc... that they are actively looking for really nice used GL1800 Goldwings and will be having me install the Sturgis R18 kit on them.... The dealer they bought their spyders from is AWESOME, FLAT OUT AWESOME but BRP corporate are a bunch of arrogant jerks at best (well that's been our experience) .... end rant

    One last word of advice is if you experience the CHECK KEY error IT WILL LEAVE YOU STRANDED at some point.... the fiddling with the key, rapid ignition cycling, removing the ground for a period of time etc etc is all snake oil remedies and placebo effect... if your bike starts after one of those it's pure coincidence... we worked on this Spyder for well over an hour and tried everything short of sprinkling holy water on it and it still left on a flat deck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BLUEKNIGHT911 View Post
    From everything I know about DESS ( and this is more than most ) ..... I have not heard of extra electrical stuff being an issue..... The DESS module interacts with the chip in the ignition switch ..... Some here have had to get an ignition switch in conjunction with the module ..... I didn't but it isn't clear in the minds at BRP EXACTLY what causes the DESS failure...... there have been 4 different modules since 2014 ...... IMHO some engineer decided to fix a non-existant problem ..... the 2009 to 2013 didn't have a problem .... then the module was changed and BRP has problems up the WaZoo ....go figure ... Mike

    Good afternoon.... I thought I'd chime in here with some personal experience. I've have had two times where accessories 100% interfered with the factory DESS to the point it initaiated no start conditions. First was on a New BRP snowmobile and i had installed an auxillary RCA style plug for power for heated gloves too close to the DESS knob... moved it to the other side of the sled and never had another issue problem solved.... second was on a 2011 Spyder RT Limited that I had installed AFTERMARKET HID headlights and fog lights and we were getting a a DESS induced intermitent no start.... re routed all the wiring, added relays for every light and installed EMI drain wires on the HID relay harnesses and that issue was resolved permanently. Just some food for thought from personal experience that there are some very weird isolated incidents that can induce DESS malfunctions and unintended DESS activation and no starts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BLUEKNIGHT911 View Post
    I've had my DESS module replaced .... by real BRP Tech's ...... they told me the keys have nothing to do with the DESS module ..... and they didn't do mine .......... So either your dealer isn't as up on this as they think they are or they just did it anyway for some unknown reason ...... Mike

    Hello again... I'm not sure what they meant but the key has the excited transpoder chip inside thats part, parcel and an integral part of the DESS system.. if you cut a regular key blank, or the top breaks off your key, without that transponder chip, the DESS system cannot read the encrypted security code therefore it wont crank...
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    Quote Originally Posted by jcthorne View Post
    Requires MegaTech version of BUDS. Several shops around the country offer it, including ours. Most dealers do not opt for the upgraded version that has access to the security system.In BUDS, its a simple toggle of a setting.
    Any suggestions on how I can locate someone with the ability to disable DESS should I decide to do that?

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