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    Quote Originally Posted by A1A View Post
    Mike, thank you for the info my friend. Yes I read about half the DESS Thread and my eyes were starting to turn red and were burning. I just had to stop reading it. I'm still under warranty so the Dealer should address this issue for me. The display I had on the speedo said DESS and below that it showed the engine blinking, but no key image at all.
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    Yes, the dealer should take care of the issue for you, it is covered "UNDER WARRANTY". Deanna
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    Quote Originally Posted by PaladinLV View Post
    The only for sure way to fix it, is replacement of BOTH the DESS module AND you ignition switch (which will also get you a new key).

    Good Luck!
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    Quote Originally Posted by A1A View Post
    Well I got the DESS check engine on the speedo today 1-27-17. I turned the switch off and on 3 or 4 times and got it to start. I have 18,997 miles on my 2014 RTL-SE6 spyder and this is the first DESS issue for me. I guess I'll keep riding it for a while and see if it happens again.
    I had the (DESS) replaced twice (both times under Manufactures Warranty). The 2nd time they replaced the DESS module, ignition switch, keys reprogramed, new lock on the trunk. The above was replaced in Aug. 2014. Since then, I have not had the DESS code show up, and I now have 22,060 miles on the Spyder.

    Keep us posted!

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    Quote Originally Posted by rustynail51 View Post
    can hooking power supply cords such as heated clothing cords or trailer wiring harness directly to the battery give a d.e.s.s. code when neither is in use. The dealership asked these questions when trying to figure out why i continue to get the code after they replaced the d.e.s.s. module.
    I run heated clothing and have no issues.

    When mine acted up the module was replaced and so far no more DESS messages.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deanna777 View Post
    [SIZE=2] Yes, the dealer should take care of the issue for you, it is covered "UNDER WARRANTY". Deanna
    Maybe out of warranty unless it was extended??
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    Quote Originally Posted by rustynail51 View Post
    can hooking power supply cords such as heated clothing cords or trailer wiring harness directly to the battery give a d.e.s.s. code when neither is in use. The dealership asked these questions when trying to figure out why i continue to get the code after they replaced the d.e.s.s. module.
    From everything I know about DESS (and this is just a little more than most ) ..... I have not heard of any extra electrical stuff being an issue..... The DESS module interacts with the chip in the ignition switch ..... Some here have had to get an ignition switch in conjunction with the module ..... I didn't but it isn't clear in the minds at BRP EXACTLY what causes the DESS failure...... there have been 4 different modules since 2014 ...... IMHO some engineer decided to fix a non-existent problem ..... the 2009 to 2013 didn't have a problem .... then the module was changed and BRP has problems up the WaZoo .... go figure ... Mike
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    Quote Originally Posted by trikermutha View Post
    Maybe out of warranty unless it was extended??
    It is Covered under the "Extended Warranty"( B.E.S.T). Ask your dealership.

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    We prefer the nuclear option. Just turn DESS OFF and be done with it. Useless system that only serves to keep the owner from riding. Does not deter theft by any knowledgeable vehicle theft team. Its easily bypassed without the key present.

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    Jcthorne... how do you bypass? Mine is 2016 F3S SE6
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sweetwater View Post
    Jcthorne... how do you bypass? Mine is 2016 F3S SE6

    Requires MegaTech version of BUDS. Several shops around the country offer it, including ours. Most dealers do not opt for the upgraded version that has access to the security system.

    In BUDS, its a simple toggle of a setting.
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    Well I have an appointment to take my Spyder into the Dealer 2-9-18. So will see how everything goes. I have to get it fixed because I don't want to get stranded out some where. Will let you know how it turns out.
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    Thank You All. I had considered buying a used 2014, (in year 2016). I am now VERY glad that I went with a NEW 2016 RTL. PS: I did my homework on 'SPYDERLOVERS' Forum.
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    Well I picked up my Spyder this morning from the Dealer 2-13-18. Here is the Dealer comments as written on the work order. No codes stored in (BUDS). But we and BRP have seen this before, BRPS recommendation is to change out the DESS MODULE. If it comes back, then replace the DESS ANTENNA. So the DESS MODULE was replaced, and both my keys were reprogrammed. This was accomplished under extended warranty and with no charges to me. I'm a happy camper and hope that this takes care of my DESS issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by A1A View Post
    Well I picked up my Spyder this morning from the Dealer 2-13-18. Here is the Dealer comments as written on the work order. No codes stored in (BUDS). But we and BRP have seen this before, BRPS recommendation is to change out the DESS MODULE. If it comes back, then replace the DESS ANTENNA. So the DESS MODULE was replaced, and both my keys were reprogrammed. This was accomplished under extended warranty and with no charges to me. I'm a happy camper and hope that this takes care of my DESS issue.
    Cheers
    The 2nd time my dealership replaced the DESS MODULE, Ignition Switch, Reprogramed the Keys, Changed the trunk lock/and gave me a new trailer lock (On Aug. 28, 2015). The above work was done @ 8,740 miles, and since then I have not had the DESS Key code show up on the screen. My current mileage is 22,000. Also, I have a 2014RTS-SE6.

    The first time (on July 14,2015) my dealership replaced only the DESS MODULE.

    I hope you don't get the DESS issue. Good Luck!

    Deanna
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    I am guessing go with the cheaper repair first then the harder more expensive repair next if the module doesn't work out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deanna777 View Post
    The 2nd time my dealership replaced the DESS MODULE, Ignition Switch, Reprogramed the Keys, Changed the trunk lock/and gave me a new trailer lock (On Aug. 28, 2015). The above work was done @ 8,740 miles, and since then I have not had the DESS Key code show up on the screen. My current mileage is 22,000. Also, I have a 2014RTS-SE6.

    The first time (on July 14,2015) my dealership replaced only the DESS MODULE.

    I hope you don't get the DESS issue. Good Luck!

    Deanna
    Thanks Deanna, I had 18,803 miles on mine when the DESS MODULE was replaced. I also hope you do not get another DESS issue as well.
    Cheers
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    That DESS "antenna" they are speaking of is part of the ignition switch on a 2014. So the ignition switch is what they will replace.

    AJ

    Quote Originally Posted by A1A View Post
    Well I picked up my Spyder this morning from the Dealer 2-13-18. Here is the Dealer comments as written on the work order. No codes stored in (BUDS). But we and BRP have seen this before, BRPS recommendation is to change out the DESS MODULE. If it comes back , then replace the DESS ANTENNA. So the DESS MODULE was replaced and both my keys were reprogrammed. This was accomplished under extended warranty and with no charges to me. I'm a happy camper and hope that this takes care of my DESS issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by A1A View Post
    Thanks Deanna, I had 18,803 miles on mine when the DESS MODULE was replaced. I also hope you do not get another DESS issue as well.
    Cheers
    A1A, I hope I don't get another DESS issue either. If I do I'll post on this Thread ( which I started in July of 2015), If I do I know it is covered under the B.E.S.T Warranty.

    Good Luck!

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaladinLV View Post
    That DESS "antenna" they are speaking of is part of the ignition switch on a 2014. So the ignition switch is what they will replace.

    AJ
    AJ, Deanna




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    Quote Originally Posted by A1A View Post
    Well I picked up my Spyder this morning from the Dealer 2-13-18. Here is the Dealer comments as written on the work order. No codes stored in (BUDS). But we and BRP have seen this before, BRPS recommendation is to change out the DESS MODULE. If it comes back , then replace the DESS ANTENNA. So the DESS MODULE was replaced and both my keys were reprogrammed. This was accomplished under extended warranty and with no charges to me. I'm a happy camper and hope that this takes care of my DESS issue.
    Cheers
    I've had my DESS module replaced .... by real BRP Tech's ...... they told me the keys have nothing to do with the DESS module ..... and they didn't do mine .......... So either your dealer isn't as up on this as they think they are, or they just did it anyway for some unknown reason ...... Mike
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    I placed an order today for a DESS Module #710004916 with Cheap Motorcycle Parts. I am to have it next week sometime. I will switch it out myself. I have a 2015 Spyder RT and have had it little over 10 months and have put over 10,000 miles on it. It now has 20,700 miles on it. I have had DESS Key orange screen about 4 times, once last September and about two weeks ago and all I have ever had to do is remove the key and put it back. I was not much worried about it until BLUEKNIGHT911 tells me I am going to be stranded. I sure hope this is all I need. I only have one key so as soon as I get the module changed I have a blank key and will have it cut and someone program it for me.
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