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Just got my oil report back
The oil I sent in was the second oil change on my 2014 RTS SE6. The first oil change was done by the dealer at 3k+ (about 3,300). The dealer changed the oil, filter and performed the bike's first service installing BRP's 5/40w syn/dino blend oil as recommended by BRP. The second oil change was done by myself at 9,500 miles. So, I ran BRP's 5/40w syn/dino blend for approx. 6k miles and that was the oil I had tested. The results were as follows; (ppm) Preformed through Napa Oil Analyst by U.S. Laboratory in Portland, Oregon
Metals - Iron 19, Chromium 1, Led 3, Copper 7, Tin 3, Aluminum 11,Nickle 1, Silver 1, Titanium 1, Vanadium 1,
Contaminants - Silicon 13, Sodium 9, Potassium 4
Additives - Magnesium 59, Calcium 2036, Barium 1, Phosphorus 725, Zinc 798, Molybdenum 1, Boron 11
Contaminants - Water% 0.05, Coolant none
Physical Tests - Viscosity (cSt 100cc) 8.5
Physical/Chemical - Base Number (mgKOH/g) 4.9
Analyst showed **Caution
According to Bob the Oil Guy's oil chart, BRP's 5/40w syn/dino blend oil viscosity continues to decline in viscosity as millage increases. This has been confirmed by BRP saying that their oil declines to 20w and then stabilizes at some point. More independent tests should confirm that info but in the mean time I switched over to 10/40w Amsoil. I'll post my next test after I run Amsoil for 6k miles.
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Originally Posted by 2dogs
The oil I sent in was the second oil change on my 2014 RTS SE6. The first oil change was done by the dealer at 3k+ (about 3,300). The dealer changed the oil, filter and performed the bike's first service installing BRP's 5/40w syn/dino blend oil as recommended by BRP. The second oil change was done by myself at 9,500 miles. So, I ran BRP's 5/40w syn/dino blend for approx. 6k miles and that was the oil I had tested. The results were as follows; (ppm) Preformed through Napa Oil Analyst by U.S. Laboratory in Portland, Oregon
Metals - Iron 19, Chromium 1, Led 3, Copper 7, Tin 3, Aluminum 11,Nickle 1, Silver 1, Titanium 1, Vanadium 1,
Contaminants - Silicon 13, Sodium 9, Potassium 4
Additives - Magnesium 59, Calcium 2036, Barium 1, Phosphorus 725, Zinc 798, Molybdenum 1, Boron 11
Contaminants - Water% 0.05, Coolant none
Physical Tests - Viscosity (cSt 100cc) 8.5
Physical/Chemical - Base Number (mgKOH/g) 4.9
Analyst showed **Caution
According to Bob the Oil Guy's oil chart, BRP's 5/40w syn/dino blend oil viscosity continues to decline in viscosity as millage increases. This has been confirmed by BRP saying that their oil declines to 20w and then stabilizes at some point. More independent tests should confirm that info but in the mean time I switched over to 10/40w Amsoil. I'll post my next test after I run Amsoil for 6k miles.
Interesting to see the full vs. synthetic blend comparison above. Thanks.
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Originally Posted by akspyderman
A couple questions:
How?
How much?
Originally Posted by IGETAROUND
I looked at Schaeffer's website and they quote $15.99 for a test kit including postage, if that's who you are referring to. They also note that they do not provide the TBN number (total base number). From what I can read, the TBN tells you the amount of additive left in the oil that fights the effect of acids that would normally build up in the oil. A very low TBN would not be a good thing.
For comparison, I've used Blackstone Labs which charges $25.00. Quite a bit higher but they do include the TBN and a "real person" looks over your results and offers a critique of the results. Not saying it's any better than other tests out there. Just putting it forth as another option. Whatever...
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I used Blackstone years ago for a pickup truck I owned. At the time I took the sample, I was having a head gasket problem, although I didn't know it yet. Fast forward a bit (after getting the gasket fixed) someone from Blackstone actually called me at home because they were concerned about the level of anti-freeze in the oil sample.
Just a little additional info to help you make the decision as to which lab to use.
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Originally Posted by 2dogs
The oil I sent in was the second oil change on my 2014 RTS SE6. The first oil change was done by the dealer at 3k+ (about 3,300). The dealer changed the oil, filter and performed the bike's first service installing BRP's 5/40w syn/dino blend oil as recommended by BRP. The second oil change was done by myself at 9,500 miles. So, I ran BRP's 5/40w syn/dino blend for approx. 6k miles and that was the oil I had tested. The results were as follows; (ppm) Preformed through Napa Oil Analyst by U.S. Laboratory in Portland, Oregon
Metals - Iron 19, Chromium 1, Led 3, Copper 7, Tin 3, Aluminum 11,Nickle 1, Silver 1, Titanium 1, Vanadium 1,
Contaminants - Silicon 13, Sodium 9, Potassium 4
Additives - Magnesium 59, Calcium 2036, Barium 1, Phosphorus 725, Zinc 798, Molybdenum 1, Boron 11
Contaminants - Water% 0.05, Coolant none
Physical Tests - Viscosity (cSt 100cc) 8.5
Physical/Chemical - Base Number (mgKOH/g) 4.9
Analyst showed **Caution
According to Bob the Oil Guy's oil chart, BRP's 5/40w syn/dino blend oil viscosity continues to decline in viscosity as millage increases. This has been confirmed by BRP saying that their oil declines to 20w and then stabilizes at some point. More independent tests should confirm that info but in the mean time I switched over to 10/40w Amsoil. I'll post my next test after I run Amsoil for 6k miles.
Your change is almost identical to what I did. However, I didn't have the foresight to send it in for analysis.
What I did notice was visually what appeared to be a viscosity breakdown. In that when the oil came out it was only slightly thicker than water flowing.
I too switched over to the Amsoil. However, next time this will be going to the lab.
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Previously 2008 GS SM5 and 2014 RT SE6
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I have just about 800 miles to go on the BRP semi 5x40 before I send it in. It will have 5k on it by then. Interested to see if that shear has stopped at 20wt.
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Too many here trying to practice Rocket Science without a Rocket Science degree. Let BRP worry about the oil change intervals. They recommend 9300 between oil changes and they do the warranty work. That's good enough for me. I used to do oil analysis on my high performance aircraft but finally decided it was a waste of time. If your worried about it, cut the filter in two and see if you can see any visible metal tailings. Stop worrying about the viscosity. It will still lubricate.
Don't get run over by the Elephants worrying about the piss ants. You will live longer and be happier. JMO
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Originally Posted by jaherbst
Jack, I must agree on the aircraft engines. I have sampled and seen test reports on recip engines all over the place. Some engines actually had metal in the filters which had good SOAP sample results, while others were spot on that impeding failure was coming, and still other engines really didn't care but ran and ran.
One cool thing on the 1330 Spyder is you don't even need to cut the filter to see if the engine is puking its guts. Pull the filter and wash it in a clean pan with mineral solvent. Then paint strainer the mineral spirits. I did not even bother, nothing looked metallic, so I tossed the first two filter in separate Ziploc bags with date and mileage on the bag and saved them. Any questions ever arise, the filter can be inspected.
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