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    Default ACE 1330 Oil Change Without Filter Change

    Here's the given as I understand it: For an SE6 oil and filter change we should use 4.7 L or an even 5 Qt. For those of you who are doing an oil change at less than 9,300 miles and are not changing the oil filter, how much less oil are you refilling with to compensate for the unchanged filter and the amount of oil that will remain in the filter housing?

    OR, are you changing the filter every time you change oil regardless of interval?

    I'm not being cheap, just figure if BRP says a filter can go 9,300 why not replace it at every other oil change.

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    But if you want clean oil why not change all the oil and filter whatever the interval?
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    Default Here's what you do..!!

    If you don't do the filter refill the oil as you should. Capasities is not the way to do it. Refill a quart low, start the egine bring it to operating temp and measure then top off. The draining process can vary and overfilling is harder to deal with. Filter will last much longer so you don't have to do it each time but I use kits and it's all there so why not do it...
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    Default THIS QUESTION

    Quote Originally Posted by JayBros View Post
    Here's the given as I understand it: For an SE6 oil and filter change we should use 4.7 L or an even 5 Qt. For those of you who are doing an oil change at less than 9,300 miles and are not changing the oil filter, how much less oil are you refilling with to compensate for the unchanged filter and the amount of oil that will remain in the filter housing?

    OR, are you changing the filter every time you change oil regardless of interval?

    I'm not being cheap, just figure if BRP says a filter can go 9,300 why not replace it at every other oil change.

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    ....I don't plan to change my filter either this year if I go past 5,000 miles but I will change the oil ( and I use Rotella full syn ). I would go with 4.5 Qts, take a ride then check it. The amount you are low will not have any adverse effect on the engine for this amount of time. Now you can get the exact amount you need to add without overfilling .....which I believe is a WORSE condition.........Mike

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    Just me, for the price of the filter I change it with the oil...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Purple Guy View Post
    Just me, for the price of the filter I change it with the oil...
    You said it better than I did.
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    Considering the price of a filter, I also replace the filter and the oil at each oil change.

    Remember the old saying? If you don't replace both, you new oil is contaminated by the glop that remains in the filter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JayBros View Post
    Here's the given as I understand it: For an SE6 oil and filter change we should use 4.7 L or an even 5 Qt. For those of you who are doing an oil change at less than 9,300 miles and are not changing the oil filter, how much less oil are you refilling with to compensate for the unchanged filter and the amount of oil that will remain in the filter housing?

    OR, are you changing the filter every time you change oil regardless of interval?

    I'm not being cheap, just figure if BRP says a filter can go 9,300 why not replace it at every other oil change.

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    Jay, I change the filter every other time and oil at 4000. It takes 5 qt nicely, either way. Filter doesn't seem to make a diff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Purple Guy View Post
    Just me, for the price of the filter I change it with the oil...
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    You said it better than I did.
    ...And with both of them...

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    for the bike investment, oil w a filter change is a cheap investment.

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    Default Think About It

    People spend hunderds/thousands of dollars on accessories(farkels) to make their Spyder look cool. Why are we even talking about the cost of an oil filter?????????????????????
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    maybe its not the cost of a oil filter... it just may be because its so much trouble & time to get to the darn thing..

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    Default OIL FILTER

    Quote Originally Posted by ulflyer View Post
    Jay, I change the filter every other time and oil at 4000. It takes 5 qt nicely, either way. Filter doesn't seem to make a diff.
    ......I don't see the need to change an OIL filter ( good for 9300 miles per BRP ) at 5000 miles ( I'm using Full Syn Oil )...When I change my Oil at 5000 miles, and may only go another 1 or 2 thousand more that year....... You have a lot of Owner's here going 9300 miles with BRP blended oil and filter change ...per BRP recommendations........Mike

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    Default OK where do I send oil

    Have been reading many opinions on SLs about changing oil intervals on the 1330....I have been just following BRP recommendations...but I am getting ready for oil/filter change and by the time it occurs I will be at 10k miles...a little over. What I would like to do is send some of that oil to the "oil gods" and get all those facts about breaking down, etc. So gurus...where do I send?...how do I send?..cost for the analysis?
    Yep the oil "itch" needs scratched. Thanks..I will share results here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BLUEKNIGHT911 View Post
    ......I don't see the need to change an OIL filter ( good for 9300 miles per BRP ) at 5000 miles ( I'm using Full Syn Oil )...When I change my Oil at 5000 miles, and may only go another 1 or 2 thousand more that year....... You have a lot of Owner's here going 9300 miles with BRP blended oil and filter change ...per BRP recommendations........Mike
    As I mentioned in the initial post, this is not at all an issue of the expense of the oil filter; the real question is with filter manufacturing technology is it really necessary to change the filter when doing a mid course oil change because some of us are concerned with viscosity breakdown well short of the 9,300 mile change interval. My operator's guide does say to change the filter each time the oil is changed and if a reader takes that direction along with the 9,300 interval I would definitely agree. I've not seen an automotive oil filter manufacturer, not long haul truck service, advertising filter life in excess of 15,000 miles. If someone wants to debate whether an oil filter's cleanliness impacts the viscosity breakdown of the oil itself I have neither the education nor the experience to participate in such a thread. The primary reason behind my original question was to ensure that if I were to not change the filter what would be a reasonable initial refill amount to ensure that I was not overfilling the engine because of the amount of oil remaining in the filter and canister after the crankcase and transmission were drained. We've seen elsewhere on SL the alleged reduction of engine power if the engine is overfilled.

    My main objective, in addition to satisfying my own uncertainty about viscosity breakdown, is to hopefully provide analysis reports of at least the first two types of oil I've fed the engine and, if I stay with Mobil 1 will compare two successive oil changes to see how consistently it performs.

    Considering the bucks we have invested in our machines, debate about the best way to protect those investments is good IMO.
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    Its amazing what is inside your engine oil and filter..Stuff you cannot see..Anytime changing the oil a filter should be replaced...IMO..

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    Quote Originally Posted by murphybrown View Post
    Have been reading many opinions on SLs about changing oil intervals on the 1330....I have been just following BRP recommendations...but I am getting ready for oil/filter change and by the time it occurs I will be at 10k miles...a little over. What I would like to do is send some of that oil to the "oil gods" and get all those facts about breaking down, etc. So gurus...where do I send?...how do I send?..cost for the analysis?
    Yep the oil "itch" needs scratched. Thanks..I will share results here.
    Have a great day..it is a wonderful day to be alive!!!
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    I have never done this for my spyder. I have used Blackstone labs many times when I raced my BMW E46 M3. They do great work and proved great information. I would like to see the results of the oil after BRP recommended service interval.



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    I know that there are lots of other places.
    I just "Googled-up "Engine oil analysis Kits", and they popped up!
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    I bought two kits, from Wix, through amazon.com for $37.70. Cost of kit includes analysis. Same kits are supposed to be available from Napa auto stores but the folks around here who run them are idiots who know nothing about how to get them for a customer.
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    I know Grainger sells oil analysis kits

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    Quote Originally Posted by Purple Guy View Post
    Just me, for the price of the filter I change it with the oil...


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    Just did a oil change on my better halfs rts yesterday.It really isn't that hard to pull the fairing. I know you are all in debate over the filter that was $15 but what about the three orings? I think they should be part of the filter but had to spend another $18 on them. It did only take 5 quarts. As for the debate my harley and her rt will get a complete oil change every 5000 miles.

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    Default I'M TRYING THESE

    Quote Originally Posted by R.Blackurn View Post
    Just did a oil change on my better halfs rts yesterday.It really isn't that hard to pull the fairing. I know you are all in debate over the filter that was $15 but what about the three orings? I think they should be part of the filter but had to spend another $18 on them. It did only take 5 quarts. As for the debate my harley and her rt will get a complete oil change every 5000 miles.
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