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THIS JUST PUBLISHED BY NHTSA
http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/acms/cs...025-61017P.pdf
This is BRP's initial partial response to Investigation PE14025 by NHTSA. If you have not read the letter from NHTSA to BRP, you will need it for reference to BRP' response. Here is the link for that:
http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/acms/cs...4025-60435.pdf
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so fresh i can't open them do you have another link
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It doesn't say much. In fact, it doesn't say anything.
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OH MY
OH MY.... DOBIE GILLIS.... WOW, not that's going back a ways......
where's Maynard G. Cribbs.....? and TV Tommy Ivo....?
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I tried the links on my original post, and they worked for me. Try again, or go to the NHTSA site.
http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/owners/SearchResults
Click on "Investigations", then click on "3 associated documents".
EDIT: Sorry, the above link does not work. The one below should.
http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/owners/SearchSafetyIssues
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Originally Posted by SPYD3R
OH MY.... DOBIE GILLIS.... WOW, not that's going back a ways......
where's Maynard G. Cribbs.....? and TV Tommy Ivo....?
There ya go.
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Originally Posted by cuznjohn
so fresh i can't open them do you have another link
fyi, the links open fine on my Gen 2 iPad.
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Originally Posted by cuznjohn
what program opened it
I use Chrome, but IE or Firefox should work as well.
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Originally Posted by wyliec
It doesn't say much. In fact, it doesn't say anything.
It actually says a lot. For instance, BRP requested an extension on November. You need to look at both documents side by side.
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my computer must be having a brain fart today, so i will wait and see what people say
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Originally Posted by oldguyinCT
WOW! This is some heavy stuff. it may take eons to come to a complete resolution on all aspects of the NHTSA complaint???
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Document is a PDF. Opened for me. I tried to post it here but it does not work. Shows until I try to post than it become gibberish.
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i don't have a horse in this race anymore so can someone please just put down in a nutshell what it says, thanks
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Let's hope this will amount to a resolution for those who have encountered problems.
Let's also hope this does not result in the demise of the brand or the beginning of the $45K .
Are we destined for those late night ads asking us to join in the multi million dollar suit similar to asbestos, ED drugs, etc.?
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Originally Posted by cuznjohn
i don't have a horse in this race anymore so can someone please just put down in a nutshell what it says, thanks
cuznjohn,
I opened both links in the first post. The second one is from the NHSTA requiring all kind of info from BRP.
The first one is from BRP. I only see where they asked for an extension. I didn't see where any resolution/s were listed. At least that is all I saw.
I'm not saying that I didn't miss something; but, that is all I saw.
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Originally Posted by wyliec
cuznjohn,
I opened both links in the first post. The second one is from the NHSTA requiring all kind of info from BRP.
The first one is from BRP. I only see where they asked for an extension. I didn't see where any resolution/s were listed. At least that is all I saw.
I'm not saying that I didn't miss something; but, that is all I saw.
i wonder if they will get their extension and how much time do they want. do they wait till all the 13's catch fire and than say problem fixed. and god forbid someone gets burnt what than
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Originally Posted by cuznjohn
i don't have a horse in this race anymore so can someone please just put down in a nutshell what it says, thanks
Summery:
Today we will provide the production data you asked for, through legal council and request it be kept confidential.
Over the next few days we will respond to a few other items.
We requested an extension for a few more (date not specified). And a few will not be answered at all.
In short, it says nothing regarding a response. Just a clock stop.
Hopefully as the remaining items are answered they will not all be confidential and we will see some of the responses.
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Originally Posted by wyliec
cuznjohn,
I opened both links in the first post. The second one is from the NHSTA requiring all kind of info from BRP.
The first one is from BRP. I only see where they asked for an extension. I didn't see where any resolution/s were listed. At least that is all I saw.
I'm not saying that I didn't miss something; but, that is all I saw.
You are right, no resolution(s) were listed. This will go on for months. In addition to asking for an extension, BRP did partially comply with the NHTSA requests, and got some other requests cancelled, such as the NHTSA request for body panels, for one. As I said this will go on for months.
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Originally Posted by cuznjohn
i wonder if they will get their extension and how much time do they want. do they wait till all the 13's catch fire and than say problem fixed. and god forbid someone gets burnt what than
Cuznjohn, it just dawned on me that you need Adobe Reader to open .pdf files. You can get it free from their website. http://www.adobe.com/
Click on Menu at the upper right of their home page, the click on "Acrobat" at the lower left of the pop-up.
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Originally Posted by jcthorne
Summery:
Today we will provide the production data you asked for, through legal council and request it be kept confidential.
Over the next few days we will respond to a few other items.
We requested an extension for a few more (date not specified). And a few will not be answered at all.
In short, it says nothing regarding a response. Just a clock stop.
Hopefully as the remaining items are answered they will not all be confidential and we will see some of the responses.
I was told by Bob Young at NHTSA that BRP in all likelihood would request that some things be kept confidential that is, not released to the public.
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Letter from NHTSA lists 16 fires related to fuel cap recall.
30 fires related to fuel canister.
3 fires for the Brake Master Cylinder
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Originally Posted by oldguyinCT
I was told by Bob Young at NHTSA that BRP in all likelihood would request that some things be kept confidential that is, not released to the public.
wonder why, don't owners have a right to know what is going on, unless a undercover deal is in the works. i doubt it but they make you think like that
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Originally Posted by cuznjohn
wonder why, don't owners have a right to know what is going on, unless a undercover deal is in the works. i doubt it but they make you think like that
Some of the questions involve BRP explaining how decisions were reached. Some involve marketing info that may benefit a competitor. Corporate espionage is possible if some of the answers become public.
BRP should not have to give information that will benefit their competition.
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