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Originally Posted by Bob Denman
But when the bike IS shut down; the battery stands a much better chance, of having a full boatload of juice in it... [emoji106]
Roger said it about the best...
The 998's charging system is adequate...
The 1330's charging system is superior!
Ummm...no. But at least you are getting the opportunity to increase your post count...[emoji57]
And when did the topic change to discussing the machines charging system and ability to charge a battery?
The OP asked about a battery sitting for a period of time.
Again, for the $20 to purchase a tender and the short amount of time to install it, its still a good idea to use a tender on ANY machine that will see periods of downtime REGARDLESS of the type of charging system. Doesn't matter if its a car, motorcycle, spyder or even a lawn mower.
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"The OP asked about a battery sitting for a period of time."
...And if the charginng system for the bike isn't discussed as well...
Would you agree, that if the battery is kept fully-charged from the operation of the bike; it'll be less-inclined to suffer from NOT being hooked-up to a maintainer?
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Originally Posted by Bob Denman
"The OP asked about a battery sitting for a period of time."
...And if the charginng system for the bike isn't discussed as well...
Would you agree, that if the battery is kept fully-charged from the operation of the bike; it'll be less-inclined to suffer from NOT being hooked-up to a maintainer?
The charging systems on both the 998 and the 1330 were designed to fully charge the battery while riding. Once the battery is charged, the charging system shunts its output whether you are talking alternator or stator. The problem some had with the 998 system was they were drawing too much power for accessories while riding.
So if I am not using accessories, my perfectly adequate 998 charging system is keeping my battery fully charged while riding. If I am following the logic here, then you would say I don't need a tender.
Our systems, both the 998 and 1330 have parasitic draw, some more than others. That and the health of the battery determine how long before the battery goes below the level needed to start the bike, not the charging system.
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Originally Posted by Bob Denman
"The OP asked about a battery sitting for a period of time."
...And if the charginng system for the bike isn't discussed as well...
Would you agree, that if the battery is kept fully-charged from the operation of the bike; it'll be less-inclined to suffer from NOT being hooked-up to a maintainer?
Holy cow. He isn't talking about the charging operation of the bike!
It doesn't matter what kind of charging system is on the bike. They ALL FULLY charge batteries while riding. The battery has no idea what is feeding it the voltage.
The batteries are the same. If parasitic draw is the same from machine to machine the discharge rate from machine to machine over a given extended period of time is the same.
The only ways to extend down time on a battery to reduce the potential for a dead battery when not in use (assuming a good battery to begin with) is to reduce or eliminate parasitic drain or install multiple/larger capacity batteries. No, the charging system on the 14' does not guarantee or suggest longer battery life because of output , design or anything else. It doesn't charge the battery any more or increase the batteries capacity in any way.
The charging system on the 14' is just different. That's it. Don't confuse different for better though...another discussion..
I haven't looked at the output specs but assuming the 14' alternator puts out more voltage only makes operation of additional electronics easier on the charging system DURING operation. So you 14' owners can likely bolt on and wire up more lighting and gizzmos.
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I like the fact that for years now, our dealer has automatically installed the battery tender plug in lead on all product as it assembled.. Makes it easy for us if we want to use tender...
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My rule of thumb is: " If it's been 3-4 days since I last used the Spyder and I expect that it will be another 3-4 days before I do, I plug in the tender." any time of the year.
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That's how I did my 2013 RT last year; works great .
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Firm Believer in Battery Tenders
When we bought our 14 RTS, I had the dealer install pigtails for mine and my wife's heated vests. They ran them from the battery to beneath the seat and sit nicely coiled under the seat until needed. The other and equally important reason for having a pigtail readily available is so that I can plug the Battery Tender into the pigtail quickly at any time.
We don't/can't ride year round and there are also times when we may not ride for a few weeks at a time even during our riding season. I started using a Battery Tender on our 05 Yamaha Venture shortly after new and kept it for 8 years. When I sold the bike it had 88k km on it (55k miles) and the original battery which was holding charge and pretty much as strong as new. I had got into the habit of plugging it into the Battery Tender after every ride regardless of time of year. I believe that it was because of the use of the Tender that we got such long life from our original battery and plan on doing the same with the Spyder. It seems that all vehicles these days have so much electronic demand on them that there is more lose due to parasitic draw while parked. Keeping the battery at full power at all times should help to make it last much longer. At least that is my opinion. Yours may differ.
Gary
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I'm also a believer in the "Deltran System"...
And that is what I am basing my beliefs upon.
Personal Observation:
With my 998; A couple of days of short trips or rides, and it'd take a couple of hours for the indicator lights to roll over from Yellow, to Green...
With my 1330 The type of riding, and the light would be back to Green within a matter of ten or fifteen minutes...
The larger charging capability of the alternator, coupled with it's ability to deliver that charge at much lower rpms; tells me that your battery is better-off with the new system stuffing it back full of power.
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Originally Posted by Bob Denman
I'm also a believer in the "Deltran System"...
And that is what I am basing my beliefs upon.
Personal Observation:
With my 998; A couple of days of short trips or rides, and it'd take a couple of hours for the indicator lights to roll over from Yellow, to Green...
With my 1330 The type of riding, and the light would be back to Green within a matter of ten or fifteen minutes...
The larger charging capability of the alternator, coupled with it's ability to deliver that charge at much lower rpms; tells me that your battery is better-off with the new system stuffing it back full of power.
This is exactly what happens on my 14 Spyder. and i agree with Bob.
Cruzr Joe
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Originally Posted by Bob Denman
...tells me that your battery is better-off with the new system stuffing it back full of power.
No question that the higher output of a 1330 system will recharge the battery faster. But the question was about the need (or not) for using a system to keep the battery charged when the bike is sitting. Consider the following:
The 2013 and 2014 use the same battery (21AH), the charging system on the 998 is rated at 650W, for the 1330 at 1200W. So, same size container, but fill rate is about double for the 1330.
It is common in teaching electrical theory to use water as an illustration. So let's say that our batteries are 12 oz glasses. We fill the glass representing the 998 with the tap opened half way, for the 1330 glass we open it fully.
Both systems were designed to fully charge the battery, the 1330 just gives you more amps above system needs for owner added accessories. So each glass gets filled up. At the end of our ride (assuming that we have ridden each of them far enough to ensure that the batteries are fully charged) we park the bike. Assuming that both batteries were prepared properly and that there are no added accessories or electrical problems causing a parasitic drain on the batteries, then the parasitic draw on both should be about the same (power to the computer systems that remain active).
To illustrate the parasitic drain, take both glasses outdoors and sit them in the sunlight. The evaporation is our parasitic drain.
So the question becomes, which 12 oz glass will go dry faster, the one representing the 998, or the one representing the 1330?
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agree
I used my battery tender with an 03 Honda Shadow 750, i used to own before my Spyder. I had that bike about 4 and half years with the same battery. I kept mine plugged in the battery tender when i wan't ridding it even during ridding season. I'm going to start doing my Spyder like that..
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While a tender is not required, I use a high quality battery trickle, conditioner charger anytime the bike is not ridden for a few days. Standard batteries do not like to be left in a discharged state for long and it shortens the overall life of the battery. This is why they make deep cycle batteries to extend the life when a battery is discharged and not maintained by the alternator while in use (trolling motor). We have parasitic loss via the ECM, over a week or so it is not much but it does drop the static voltage. I was told by Diehard manufacture that keeping any vehicle that is not used daily on a maintenance charger will lengthen the life of the battery but not to use cheap trickle charges as they can actually overcharge and cause damage.
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Thank you Joe, when I got my 2013 RTL the dealer put in the pig tail for the tender.
Just a FYI for anyone looking for a Battery Tender. At most of the MC/Spyder dealers they want $60.00 plus for the bigger unit. At Walmart they sell it for about $58.00, but if you go to Walmart online they have it for $48.00. I went to Walmart picked up the unit went to customer service showed they the Walmart online price on my phone and they gave it to me for the online price.
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Originally Posted by DrewNJ
Ummm...no. But at least you are getting the opportunity to increase your post count...[emoji57]
And when did the topic change to discussing the machines charging system and ability to charge a battery?
The OP asked about a battery sitting for a period of time.
Again, for the $20 to purchase a tender and the short amount of time to install it, its still a good idea to use a tender on ANY machine that will see periods of downtime REGARDLESS of the type of charging system. Doesn't matter if its a car, motorcycle, spyder or even a lawn mower.
Use a tender you wont be sorry
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Thx, Joe!
Exactly what I needed to know since I am putting our spyders in storage for a few weeks or more.
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