2015 lineup rumors?

[Bob Denman]

Originally Posted by stevedfiveMy dealer told me the '15 RT is overall bigger than the '14 with a bigger engine as well.

Nope... Other than some BNGs; the RT line-up should be all set for a couple of years.

[ARtraveler]

Originally Posted by stevedfiveMy dealer told me the '15 RT is overall bigger than the '14 with a bigger engine as well.

Nope... Other than some BNGs; the RT line-up should be all set for a couple of years.

"kinda." It would be interesting to know where the dealer got the information about the 15 RT though.

You have to admit, its a fun time of the year for speculation of all kinds. Also very interesting to see some of the ideas presented.

As mentioned before though, I am a glutton when it comes to finding out all things . I have learned to wait and be patient for the official "unveilings." Sure glad I did not go for the Circuit Yellow 2013 RT like I was thinking--I would have been very unhappy since the 14 upped the ante on the engine and a lot of other things.

[Bob Denman]

The "Silly Season" has definitely landed upon us!

Next; we'll be hearing that the hybrid is coming out...

[ARtraveler]

The "Silly Season" has definitely landed upon us!

Next; we'll be hearing that the hybrid is coming out...

I did good, didn't I?

[Deanna777]

I think that BRP might introduce a entry level for the 2015. Deanna777

[Bob Denman]

I did good didn't I?

Yup!

Dee,
I think, and hope; that you're right!

[NetJunkie]

I don't get the fascination with a leaning Spyder. You'd end up with rounded motorcycle tires (less traction) and only a slightly better center of gravity since you can't really lean the thing over. That for the low cost of a much more complex vehicle with a lot more quirks.

[dguisinger]

I don't get the fascination with a leaning Spyder. You'd end up with rounded motorcycle tires (less traction) and only a slightly better center of gravity since you can't really lean the thing over. That for the low cost of a much more complex vehicle with a lot more quirks.

The body would lean, not the undercarriage. The wheels would stay flat, the body and seat and handlebars would lean, keeping the CG and making your weight get distributed "down" into the seat instead if 10 feet to the side in the middle of the road

[NetJunkie]

I just really don't see that making anywhere close to enough differing in center of gravity to be worth all that complexity and weight.

[robmorg]

Next; we'll be hearing that the hybrid is coming out...

Hmmm. You wanna make some quick money? For the right odds, I might be convinced to place a wager with you on that. (And I do not have any "inside trader" information.) AKspyderman said he'd back me (for a cut), but the odds have to be good.

[robmorg]

P.S. As a staunch advocate of the leaner, it's totally consistent with the BRP model-- you're still on three wheels, you're just as safe. But the leaner is *the* most obvious way of appealing to the very large and very vocal crowd of younger/traditional two-wheel buyers who see no appeal in the Spyder because of its non-leaning nature. A leaner is the easiest way of making the Spyder cool (or, well, *cooler*) to that market.

I'm not sure about that. I cannot see it being "cool". The dynamics would be too far removed from a motorcycle. Remember on a motorcycle, you don't consciously lean it over. What you do is simply counter-steer, which in turn leans the bike, which in turn makes it turn. It's the counter-steering, and thus the ability to precisely control the degree of lean, that makes a motorcycle so fun to ride.

On a leaning spyder, there would still be no counter-steering, and the lean would be a resulting factor of turning, not the other way around, as it is on a motorcycle. Therefore, I think the whole idea is rather pointless - other than perhaps a slightly easier transition for riders already used to motorcycles. So here again, whatever appeal there would be would be mainly held by older riders. I could be wrong, but I can't see it ever being a marketing success with the younger crowd. They'd just continue to buy motorcycles.

[NetJunkie]

Thank you robmorg. You just said what I was thinking way better than I would have. The leaning on a Spyder just doesn't appear to me to be a natural thing.

[Bob Denman]

I'm not sure about that. I cannot see it being "cool". The dynamics would be too far removed from a motorcycle. Remember on a motorcycle, you don't consciously lean it over. What you do is simply counter-steer, which in turn leans the bike, which in turn makes it turn. It's the counter-steering, and thus the ability to precisely control the degree of lean, that makes a motorcycle so fun to ride.

On a leaning spyder, there would still be no counter-steering, and the lean would be a resulting factor of turning, not the other way around, as it is on a motorcycle. .

I'm not so sure about that... If you "smack the bars"; it'll still work... the front wheels will momentarily set up for the direction that you don't want. That makes the bike lean in the direction that you DO want... The bike heels over, the front wheels follow their lead...Easy-Peasy!

[Deanna777]

Yup!

Dee,
I think, and hope; that you're right!

Bob: Maybe get a younger group ( like 30 to 40 age group) and maybe a Hybrid time will tell, wait and see Bob, like you said" tick, tick, tick, Dee

[Bob Denman]

[robmorg]

I'm not so sure about that... If you "smack the bars"; it'll still work... the front wheels will momentarily set up for the direction that you don't want. That makes the bike lean in the direction that you DO want... The bike heels over, the front wheels follow their lead...Easy-Peasy!

I suspect you forgot to add a to that post. But I'll play along...

Naw, the dynamics are still wrong. When you counter-steer a motorcycle, it's not a matter of "smacking the bars". It's a gentle, slight, and precise outward pressure on the inside bar that enables the experienced motorcycle rider to lean the bike with precision. And it's that degree of precision that makes it so much fun. You're NEVER going to achieve that on a three wheeled vehicle. It seems odd to try.

That's not to say that the Spyder does not have it's own dynamics that can make it just as much fun. And they also involve "leaning", but NOT leaning the bike.

BTW, Bob, you completely skipped over post #87. But then, maybe you're just taking time to consider it.

[kubie]

I think they put the 1330 in the ST and RSS. They lick their wounds from the 2013 line and hope they finally sell all of the 2013 ST's ("I have 2013 ST-S by the way!") Change up the colors! and rake in the Money for a year then bring out the Hybrid and maybe the lower priced line for the younger crowd!

I would trade-in mine for a 2015 ST-S 1330 Ooooooo Yaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!

[Bob Denman]

BTW, Bob, you completely skipped over post #87. But then, maybe you're just taking time to consider it.

Nahhhh... I was pretty much dead serious...
I never bet anything that I can't afford to lose...
Tell you what; even-up: I'm saying that the Hybrid won't show up for at LEAST three nmore years from this Fall's introduction. That'd make it a 2018 model...
if you're in: the loser buys lunch at the fast-food eatery of HIS choice!

[robmorg]

I never bet anything that I can't afford to lose...
Tell you what; even-up: I'm saying that the Hybrid won't show up for at LEAST three nmore years from this Fall's introduction. That'd make it a 2018 model...
if you're in: the loser buys lunch at the fast-food eatery of HIS choice!

Nah, I'm still good to do the bet, but I need better odds than that. I'm not that confident for 2015. ...just a long-shot hunch. YOU'RE choice??? Man, talk about the $200 hamburger....

[Bob Denman]

[Farmbanker]

I've had a BRP rep assigned to this case since October with no results... BRP replaced the whole ignition system and some of my issues went away in the rain, but my biggest issue still remains. I sent them a pair of videos of what the spyder does a month ago since the dealer has never reproduced a single problem I've had. They told me they'd have their engineering guys look at it and myself and the dealer have never heard back.

I had a long thread on this website about my problems last year, and when i said i had it, i was going to sue, the admin on this forum shut down my thread.

They are non-public videos but with direct links you can view them if you'd like to see the odd behavior I get... once every few hundred to a thousand miles it does this. I can turn it on and off as many times as I like, but it just keeps doing it... walk away 10 minutes, come back and fire it up and it starts working normally again.

Throttle causing stuttering, no power, engine killing:


Refusal to shift:


If anyone has any ideas, I think everyone is at a complete loss....

Throttle body was the first thought when I saw this. Did I miss it or did they replace it already?


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[Dan McNally]

Here is a photo of the 2015 ET prototype during early testing . . . ET.jpg

[DrewNJ]

BNG..... Nothing more...

[wolfeman220940]

Does any one know when the 2015 might get released?

[ARtraveler]

Does any one know when the 2015 might get released?

Announcements usually in September. First purchases follow. Depends where you are though. They won't be up here until April of 2015 or so.