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 Originally Posted by Bob Denman
I've gone more red on the hair so you can't use the blonde moments on me anymore. But it was a moment. On the SE I would be trying to change gears with my foot and on the SM I can't figure out how to shift.
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Originally Posted by Cruzr Joe
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SE all the way. If it didn't work so well, i.e. if it wasn't faster than the SM, I *might* feel differently.
On two wheels? I feel weird not having a manual, as I was taught from the beginning to use my clutch as an extra safety device. And slipping a clutch makes slow-speed parking lot maneuvers a piece of cake (for some reason, I've always wobbled like crazy on a scooter CVT but give me a clutch and I'm doing gymkhana around the cones).
But on three wheels? There's no point to the SM in my opinion. It shifts slower, it's extra work, it gives me TWO things I must always do with my feet, and most significantly of all I can't drop the Spyder in slow-speed maneuvers so why would I ever need to slip a clutch?
I find a manual to be fun on two wheels. I love my manual with four wheels. With three wheels? I'm an SE addict, it's one of the unique things that sold me on the Spyder, it's just too much fun for me. 
P.S. I've noticed more bikes at the motorcycle show with SE transmissions-- the new Hondas have them as options. I'm curious how they ride, I might take one for a spin, but again, in THAT case, on *two* wheels, I'd fear not having a clutch. Maybe I shouldn't... 
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Originally Posted by SpyderAnn01
And I know I'm in the minority on this but I still prefer to shift the old fashioned way.
You're not in as much of a minority as you think. The clutching and shifting is what makes the Spyder feel like a motorcycle to me. Without it, it is a snowmbile with a paddle shifter.
Originally Posted by DrewNJ
On the SM you can shift even faster without using the clutch.
Absolutely. The clutch is only needed to get going from a stop. I still ride MX and you can just pop it in gear with as much throttle as you want - no clutch going up through the gears.
Originally Posted by daveinva
SE all the way. If it didn't work so well, i.e. if it wasn't faster than the SM, I *might* feel differently.
I might be missing something, but where is it stated that the SE is quicker? My neighbor has an SE and you can't slam it through the gears like an SM. There is a distinct delay between shifts and the throttle is rolled back if you don't let off. With the SM, you have total control. The throttle, clutch and shifting can all be done simultaneously. I think it depends on rider experience.
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Originally Posted by SpyderAnn01
I've always felt like a fish out of water on a semi auto Spyder, in fact when I picked up the 2014 RT I had to push it out of a parking place because I couldn't figure out how to get it into reverse. Well today I took the 2014 to the dealer for service and they let me take the 2011 RTS SM that I was riding before the test Spyder I got onto it and started laughing because I couldn't remember how to put it into reverse.
I appreciate the 2014 even more now that I've put over 4,000 miles on one and I have the opportunity to go back to a 2011. The handling is far superior on the 2014 and the ride is so smooth. I felt every bump on the 2011 today. At first I didn't care for the sound of the 2014 but now I find that I like it better than the 2011.
And I know I'm in the minority on this but I still prefer to shift the old fashioned way.
Not at all. I prefer manual shift on a motorcycle all the time.
The 2011........did it have the RonBar on it ? I've found that's the biggest upgrade to my 2010 suspension.
It might be of interest to have a side by side comparison of a 2014 and a 2012 or earlier with the RonBar.
I always knew that BRP was going to make some modifications to the suspension. That's why I got my sway bar as soon as I could.
Another few years and there won't be much market for suspension upgrades to the 2010-2012 machines.
If it ain't broke, don't break it.
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Originally Posted by hotglue
SE or SM... what ever blows yer skirt up!!!! glad they have both.
I'm just glad I'm not as old as Y'all!!!!! 
only been riding street bikes for 53 years...  .
It's not the age, it's the mileage!
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No Right Foots?
Originally Posted by NancysToy
You may be in the minority, but you are not alone. Nancy and I prefer the old fashioned way, too. For me it's really more a matter of less confusion. I still ride a lot of other bikes. My left hand and left foot understand that very well after 55 years of riding, and they don't like to learn new things.
So, you didn't keep any of those old right-foot shifters?
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Originally Posted by NancysToy
It's not the age, it's the mileage!
with this too. But with over 600,000 miles on two wheels I feel I qualify here as well. My riding started with a Cushman, but no cvt (centrifugal) to us older folk. The shift lever was under the seat on the left side. Now it was in '47 I believe, and it belonged to someone else, but he was nice enough (or dumb enough) to let me ride. Then came my HD 125 and the miles some how just kept rolling on. My heart attack along with my wife put me on three wheels, and that is now my choice. As I mentioned one other time, I am blessed to be able to ride practically anything I want to ride at any time I want to ride. At the moment I just want the weather to be just a little decent to get on my 1330.
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Originally Posted by bertmc
So, you didn't keep any of those old right-foot shifters?
I still have a couple of them. I love the darned things. I actually seem to have less trouble switching to them than switching back. Too many left hand brakes in my youth, I guess. The one I have never mastered is my wife's Honda Trail 90. It has a centrifugal clutch, but has a lever on the left handlebar that works the rear brake. I'm always trying to grab that darned thing when I shift.
Last edited by NancysToy; 01-31-2014 at 06:56 PM.
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[QUOTE=SpyderAnn01;751529
At first I didn't care for the sound of the 2014 but now I find that I like it better than the 2011.
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Me too. My initial reaction was that I wasn't crazy about the sound but with just a few hundred on mine, I like the sound more each time.
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Was this an official, "Blonde Moment"???
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i'm with you on this one!!!!
