New guy looking for guidance

[Microjedi]

Hey everyone,

I am interested in Spyders and looking for some help.

First, let me give you a brief history. Back in April I sold my 2008 Victory Vision and have been missing (my wife more than me). I am a father of three with the oldest being 14 and the youngest 7. Why did I sell the Vision? Because people on the road are idiots. My son and I were on our way home from our church when the person in front of me stopped to turn left. I stopped but the person behind me locked up her brakes and clipped us just enough to knock us off. We weren't hurt, but I became nervous about riding with all these dummies on the road.

Why am I looking at Spyders? Because I enjoy riding. My wife and I went to Rolling Thunder back in 2012 and had a great time. I also like to ride with the Patriot Guard. The reason I am considering the Spyder is that I believe it is much more visible on the road and, to put it simply, can't fall over on top of you. I will say that the Vision is wonderful. It has built in tip-overs which functioned perfectly when we got knocked over.

So my questions to all of you:

1. Do you agree that Spyders are safer and more visible than the 2 wheelers?

2. Are there any models/years to stay away from?

3. Do I need a touring model in order for the wife to be comfortable on the back?

4. Anybody selling one in the southeast?

THats really about all. Having been a member of the Vision Riders forum, I look forward to your help, knowledge, and general friendliness.

Thanks,

Paul

[ABQAndy]

Hey everyone,

I am interested in Spyders and looking for some help.

First, let me give you a brief history. Back in April I sold my 2008 Victory Vision and have been missing (my wife more than me). I am a father of three with the oldest being 14 and the youngest 7. Why did I sell the Vision? Because people on the road are idiots. My son and I were on our way home from our church when the person in front of me stopped to turn left. I stopped but the person behind me locked up her brakes and clipped us just enough to knock us off. We weren't hurt, but I became nervous about riding with all these dummies on the road.

Why am I looking at Spyders? Because I enjoy riding. My wife and I went to Rolling Thunder back in 2012 and had a great time. I also like to ride with the Patriot Guard. The reason I am considering the Spyder is that I believe it is much more visible on the road and, to put it simply, can't fall over on top of you. I will say that the Vision is wonderful. It has built in tip-overs which functioned perfectly when we got knocked over.

So my questions to all of you:

1. Do you agree that Spyders are safer and more visible than the 2 wheelers?

2. Are there any models/years to stay away from?

3. Do I need a touring model in order for the wife to be comfortable on the back?

4. Anybody selling one in the southeast?

THats really about all. Having been a member of the Vision Riders forum, I look forward to your help, knowledge, and general friendliness.

Thanks,

Paul

1. I definitely feel that Spyders are safer and more visible, that was one of my reasons for purchasing one.

2. There have been some problems with the 2013's. I have a 2012 RT Limited and I have almost 11,000 trouble free miles on it.

3. The RT has very comfortable rear seating.

4. ?

[Showie]

I believe that they are more visable but STUPID is STUPID Many peeps say stay away from 2013's. I have had mine since May 8th and have had very few problems and none that weren't fixed by dealership in a very reasonable time. There are some very favorable deals on them right now. Only having a RT I can not speak for RS's but my wife "REALLY" likes riding two up on the RT. It is raining and 40 degrees here this morning and my wife said it was to bad that we couldn't take a short ride for breakfast out. Good luck on your research. I do not think you will regret your decision to get a Spyder.

[srwilli]

Paul,

I quit riding in 1984 after a pickup truck pulled out in front of me while riding my 100RT BMW. I was lucky, broke my wrist, the BMW was totaled. I chose the Spyder primarly because I have bad knees and bad back and did not want to hold up a two-wheeler. There will be many answers to your questions

1. Is it safer -- Maybe, it is larger, and i have put lots of LED's to make it visible, but nothing will protect you from some of the idiots that drive today.

2. Several years have had heat problems.. The 2013 seems to be one to avoid until BRP can fix the issues that are described on the forum.

3. I have an RT, and it is a comfortable ride. If you plan to tour with your wife, that would be my suggestion.

4. I have seen an RT for sale in Alabama.. Look in the sale section of the forum, or search online.




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[JkRbbt]

Hey everyone,

I am interested in Spyders and looking for some help.

First, let me give you a brief history. Back in April I sold my 2008 Victory Vision and have been missing (my wife more than me). I am a father of three with the oldest being 14 and the youngest 7. Why did I sell the Vision? Because people on the road are idiots. My son and I were on our way home from our church when the person in front of me stopped to turn left. I stopped but the person behind me locked up her brakes and clipped us just enough to knock us off. We weren't hurt, but I became nervous about riding with all these dummies on the road.

Why am I looking at Spyders? Because I enjoy riding. My wife and I went to Rolling Thunder back in 2012 and had a great time. I also like to ride with the Patriot Guard. The reason I am considering the Spyder is that I believe it is much more visible on the road and, to put it simply, can't fall over on top of you. I will say that the Vision is wonderful. It has built in tip-overs which functioned perfectly when we got knocked over.

So my questions to all of you:

1. Do you agree that Spyders are safer and more visible than the 2 wheelers?

2. Are there any models/years to stay away from?

3. Do I need a touring model in order for the wife to be comfortable on the back?

4. Anybody selling one in the southeast?

THats really about all. Having been a member of the Vision Riders forum, I look forward to your help, knowledge, and general friendliness.

Thanks,

Paul

Paul, I don't know if Spyders are more visible (1), but I sure feel safer. I feel MUCH more stable. Some folks have taken pretty good hits and come out MUCH better than if they were on two wheels. Also, I don't worry about gravel, rain, RR tracks, tar snakes… Reverse, even with your wife as a passenger, is REALLY nice! These things are just plain FUN to ride. (2) I have a 2013 RT and I love riding it. I have NOT had the problems that some have had. Wish I could tell you why. I wish BRP could tell us why. Have had a toasty right foot from time to time, but that is a quirk of all the RTs from 2010-2013. Supposedly 2014 took care of that. (3) I have the RT and have had H/D Ultras and Goldwings. You passenger will NOT be disappointed in the comfort of a Spyder RT. Others will have to give an opinion on RS and ST models. Good luck, but don't test drive one unless you are serious! They tend to be ADDICTING!!

[NancysToy]

You have mentioned visibility, but you have not mentioned stability. In an incident, the Spyder is far and away less likely to tip or fall and put you on the ground. In addition, IMO it is more stable at speed in a turn or on an off-camber surface han a conventional trike. As to visibility, I highly recommend the Custom Dynamics HMT or TricLED third taillight strip (or both) and the Custom Dynamics Mudflap Lights. Their Bright-Sides do the same laterally, if you wish. It also pays to wear hi-vis clothing and helmets. The RT is the most comfortable...especially for the passenger.

[ARtraveler]

Hey everyone,

I am interested in Spyders and looking for some help.

First, let me give you a brief history. Back in April I sold my 2008 Victory Vision and have been missing (my wife more than me). I am a father of three with the oldest being 14 and the youngest 7. Why did I sell the Vision? Because people on the road are idiots. My son and I were on our way home from our church when the person in front of me stopped to turn left. I stopped but the person behind me locked up her brakes and clipped us just enough to knock us off. We weren't hurt, but I became nervous about riding with all these dummies on the road.

Why am I looking at Spyders? Because I enjoy riding. My wife and I went to Rolling Thunder back in 2012 and had a great time. I also like to ride with the Patriot Guard. The reason I am considering the Spyder is that I believe it is much more visible on the road and, to put it simply, can't fall over on top of you. I will say that the Vision is wonderful. It has built in tip-overs which functioned perfectly when we got knocked over.

So my questions to all of you:

1. Do you agree that Spyders are safer and more visible than the 2 wheelers?

2. Are there any models/years to stay away from?

3. Do I need a touring model in order for the wife to be comfortable on the back?

4. Anybody selling one in the southeast?

THats really about all. Having been a member of the Vision Riders forum, I look forward to your help, knowledge, and general friendliness.

Thanks,

Paul

You have come at a fun time. The annual changeover for new models. Your questions:
: 1. The larger footprint is more visable to MOST drivers. A bright color also helps. Safer--that depends on you the driver. One must drive very defensively these days.
: 2. If you read the site--you are probably advised to leave the 2013's alone--unless you are looking for a real deal. There have been both good and bad comments on the 2013's.
: 3. I have had both RS and RT models. The RT (touring) is built with a little more comfort in mind for the passenger. Recommend test driving and see what you like the best.
: 4. Check our for sale section. There are lots of 's for sale--all over the country.

[Bob Denman]

Are they safer? Well; they're not quite as safe as sound defensive riding tactics... But they ain't too bad!
The RTs are FAR more comfortable for the Co-Pilot; keeping her happy is what it's all about; right?
The 2012 RTs have the best track record so far... The 2010s had soft front suspensions, and throttle body systems that liked to die at inopportune moments... The 2011s were a transitional year, that still had some TB issues; but they're not a bad second choice!

[Chupaca]

all your points have been covered...now go out and test ryde them and get an opinion of your own which will really make or break your decision. Great machine with a lot of techy stuff. ABS brakes stability controls etc etc..so even if you over do it it will correct and keep you and your passenger safe...good luck and we'll see you on the road...

[Bob Ledford]

We have a 2011 RT which is our first one . Been riding from 1955 to 1996 break restarted 2011. If you pick a light bright color and add safety vests to your ensemble you have done everything you can do for safety. Ride like your invisible helps too. I went two steps further with our see my web site http://www.wa4idi.org.

[Highwayman2013]

We have a 2012 RT Limited and a 2010 Vulcan Voyager, I have about 1500 miles on the Spyder and I can say there is much less drama from rain, gravel in turns, tipping over when stopped in iffy places. Yes I feel more conspicuous on the road and two up is very comfortable. The RT is my wife's if I want to ride a spyder more I may need my own. Hmm new Indian Chieftain or Spyder RT? Ah choices.

[DJFaninTN]

We have a 2011 RT which is our first one . Been riding from 1955 to 1996 break restarted 2011. If you pick a light bright color and add safety vests to your ensemble you have done everything you can do for safety. Ride like your invisible helps too. I went two steps further with our see my web site http://www.wa4idi.org.

Now that was a pretty cool idea of painting the rear of the RT. I really like that and think I will borrow your idea once a 14 arrives.

I used a different pic of the before just for reference.

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[Woody]

Another common tip gleaned from here is that the dealer makes a huge difference. There are some horrible ones out there and some good ones. Check out the dealers in your area. It is not uncommon for the closest dealer to be an hour drive and the closest GOOD dealer to be 2-3 hours. The other NC folks here can guide you. Good luck.

[Wiredux]

Welcome to Spyderlovers Paul,
Here are my thoughts on your questions:

So my questions to all of you:

1. Do you agree that Spyders are safer and more visible than the 2 wheelers? I would say yes they are. I can spot them more and I have been told I am more visible.

2. Are there any models/years to stay away from? Some will say yes and some will say no. I like them all.

3. Do I need a touring model in order for the wife to be comfortable on the back? The wife and I just did over 3000 miles two up and she enjoyed it so much she is looking at one for her self.

4. Anybody selling one in the southeast? I am not far from you and I have a 2012 that I am selling since I am getting a 2014. I am only 2.5 hours away. If you would like you can send me a PM and we can set an appointment to meet up.

- Dan

[Microjedi]

Thank you everyone. I really appreciate the replies. I must admit that I take some pride in my driving ability both on a bike and in a car. I follow my dad's advice which is to "drive as if every other driver on the road is an idiot." This advice has served me well through the years. My wife is all set to find something. She is still mad that I sold my Vision. I imagine she would end up taking the Spyder to work now and then if we got one.

I've been through the For Sale section and I will keep watching. My father-in-law has his eye on one in VA, but he has to sell his Goldwing first. It's a 2008 with 20k miles and a lot of upgrades for under $15k. If he can't get it, I might take a look myself.

I will appreciate any more replies. Thanks again.

[NancysToy]

Thank you everyone. I really appreciate the replies. I must admit that I take some pride in my driving ability both on a bike and in a car. I follow my dad's advice which is to "drive as if every other driver on the road is an idiot." This advice has served me well through the years. My wife is all set to find something. She is still mad that I sold my Vision. I imagine she would end up taking the Spyder to work now and then if we got one.

I've been through the For Sale section and I will keep watching. My father-in-law has his eye on one in VA, but he has to sell his Goldwing first. It's a 2008 with 20k miles and a lot of upgrades for under $15k. If he can't get it, I might take a look myself.

I will appreciate any more replies. Thanks again.

Take a test ride or two. That should tell you what you want to know...and your wife will know if she likes it, too.

[Bob Denman]

Keep you Navigator happy at all costs!

[Don in E Texas]

So my questions to all of you:

1. Do you agree that Spyders are safer and more visible than the 2 wheelers?

Far safer for obvious reasons - and may be more visible, but there are those that run Red lights, etc. that can ruin your day. Just two days ago, I was waiting for the light to change to Green - when it did, I looked to my right and saw an 18 wheeler coming and there was no way he was going to stop - yep, he ran 100% thru the Red light!

2. Are there any models/years to stay away from?

Two questions here. Models: you need to decide. I had an '08 and the wife did not like to ride as a passenger - wind would blast her (yes, I had an oversize aftermarket windshield). She loves the '10 RT! My RT has great lights, so I'll ride it at night while I'd park the '08 (yes, I know for a few hundred bucks I can upgrade lights). RT has far better wind and weather protection plus heated grips so I'll ride it in Months that my '08 would have been parked.

I know of no year bikes to stay away from. The 2013 model has many owners that have issues; and also many owners of 2013's that have none. We are all hoping issues get resolved. Some don't like the first year of a new model - I purchased two new model year bikes. The '08 only had an issue after a firmware update and that was resolved with the 'canister' fix. I have no issues with my current ride, a 2010 RT.

A lot of rebate money is on the table for new 2013's - might be a good choice. Or wait and see if a 2014 might be a good option. On the used market, maybe a clean 2012 would work. A lot of choices - take your time.
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3. Do I need a touring model in order for the wife to be comfortable on the back?

Simple answer: YES

All above is just the views of an old man - whatever you decide on, you and your wife will LOVE it. Take your time - test ride some - ask questions. Also this Forum has a great "Search" feature that you can use to help answer questions you may have.

[flaggerphil]

So my questions to all of you:

1. Do you agree that Spyders are safer and more visible than the 2 wheelers?

2. Are there any models/years to stay away from?

3. Do I need a touring model in order for the wife to be comfortable on the back?

4. Anybody selling one in the southeast?

THats really about all. Having been a member of the Vision Riders forum, I look forward to your help, knowledge, and general friendliness.

Thanks,

Paul

1. Yes. That being said, you'll still run across idiots who don't see you. Even though you're more visible that a two wheeler (IMHO) continue to ride like you're not.

2. Personally, I'd stay away from the 2013 RT and ST.

3. An RT will be much more comfortable for a backseater.

4. Probably. I may be selling one after the first of the year, depending on how my test ride of a 2014 goes.

[PAul]

Hey everyone,

I am interested in Spyders and looking for some help.

First, let me give you a brief history. Back in April I sold my 2008 Victory Vision and have been missing (my wife more than me). I am a father of three with the oldest being 14 and the youngest 7. Why did I sell the Vision? Because people on the road are idiots. My son and I were on our way home from our church when the person in front of me stopped to turn left. I stopped but the person behind me locked up her brakes and clipped us just enough to knock us off. We weren't hurt, but I became nervous about riding with all these dummies on the road.

Why am I looking at Spyders? Because I enjoy riding. My wife and I went to Rolling Thunder back in 2012 and had a great time. I also like to ride with the Patriot Guard. The reason I am considering the Spyder is that I believe it is much more visible on the road and, to put it simply, can't fall over on top of you. I will say that the Vision is wonderful. It has built in tip-overs which functioned perfectly when we got knocked over.

So my questions to all of you:

1. Do you agree that Spyders are safer and more visible than the 2 wheelers?

2. Are there any models/years to stay away from?

3. Do I need a touring model in order for the wife to be comfortable on the back?

4. Anybody selling one in the southeast?

THats really about all. Having been a member of the Vision Riders forum, I look forward to your help, knowledge, and general friendliness.

Thanks,

Paul

I rode goldwings for years and it appears drivers can see you at a farther distance on the spyder than on the goldwing. My wife says the spyder RT is more comfortable than the goldwing. I also ride with the patriot guard at times. I always take up the rear since I am wider than the 2 wheelers. Am going to Durango this year, back to Missouri for a week at my brothers then back to Georgia and home.ride safe

[Dan_Ashley]

I am a retired cop, college professor, and statistics prof by trade. You cannot compare motorcycle crashes with three wheel vehicle crashes because the data is completely unreliable. So, in an effort to quantify how much safer a trike is than a two wheeler I decided to use fatality data. Motorcycle fatalities are very well researched and fairly well reported. I think that the difference in fatalities would represent differences in overall safety. Clearly my study would need to be normalized for age, sex, years of riding, etc. So I got started.

What I found out was surprising. I expected three wheel motorcycles to be safer...but not by the margin I found. According to the National Transportation Safety Agency, there were a little over 4,600 deaths on two wheelers in 2011. In 2011, on three wheel motorcycles there were four (4). Not fourteen, not four hundred, FOUR. I can't do meaningful statistics on a population of four--nobody can.

So, to answer the question: there is no doubt the Spyder is safer than any two wheeler. However, it cannot be quantified.