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    Default The Quarterback Problem

    This was on the internet this AM:

    "The St. Louis Rams, desperate for a quarterback like seemingly half the NFL is these days, called Brett Favre this week, according to ESPN. The franchise wanted to see if Favre would unretire for the umpteenth time and give it one last final shot, after all the other one last final shots.
    Seriously. They called Brett Favre.
    Favre is 44 years old and currently working as a volunteer offensive coordinator and quarterback coach for the Oak Grove Warriors, a high school team in Mississippi. He spends his spare time jogging and mowing the lawn.
    He hasn’t played since 2010, when a week after his record 297-regular season game starting streak ended, he went 5-for-7 for 63 yards, one touchdown and one pick in a Minnesota Vikings loss to the Chicago Bears. He was concussed early in the game and replaced by Joe Webb.
    That was it. Even Favre knew it. He reportedly told his agent, Bus Cook, to turn down the Rams’ interest this week. He'll remain on the sidelines, imparting his knowledge onto the next generation and counting down his days to enshrinement in the Hall of Fame.
    So this time, perhaps for once, this Brett Favre story is not about Brett Favre. This non-stop coverage isn’t his fault, unless you blame him for staying at his playing weight.
    That the Rams made the call says a lot more about the state of quarterback play in the country than it does the delusion of coach Jeff Fisher or the perceived I-can-do-it-ego of Favre.
    The NFL has a whole host of problems right now – and, mind you, a whole host of profits. Taking nothing from the seriousness of player health and safety, its most pressing concern just might be the dearth of capable quarterbacks.
    That there aren’t 32 quality quarterbacks for the NFL’s 32 franchises has been obvious for years now. If you don’t have a good one, you don’t stand a chance at winning. That’s long been true. Now, however, if you don’t have an even OK one, you struggle to not embarrass yourself.
    The problem is there may be only 15-20 good quarterbacks in the world. And after that, 20 more who are even remotely capable of handling the position. The job is just that difficult and with injuries and poor roster moves, the inch-deep pool of reserves becomes increasingly obvious.
    Compounding the problem, the pro game lacks offensive diversity, so we really don’t have any grind-it-out, run-first teams anymore that could live with a lousy QB. Some focus on it more than others, yet even those clubs – say Minnesota or the New York Jets, which prefer Rex Ryan’s “ground and pound” – are still reliant on a QB of some acumen.
    The Vikings have the best back in the league, Adrian Peterson, yet the team was a laughingstock Monday as it called on quarterback Josh Freeman to throw it 53 times in a 23-7 loss to the Giants. Freeman completed just 20 of those passes and many of the misses sailed wildly over receiver’s heads. This, of course, was the same Josh Freeman who winless Tampa Bay dumped due to poor play. And yet Minnesota still believed grabbing him and tossing him into the starting lineup was their best option.
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    They were probably correct. There is simply no one left. Here’s guessing that if Sam Bradford had been lost for the season two weeks earlier, rather than last Sunday, the Rams would’ve gladly claimed Freeman.
    He’s better than Favre.
    And that’s about where we are in the NFL right now.
    [On a side note: If this doesn’t cement the idea that no one in the NFL believes in Tim Tebow, nothing will.]
    There is no immediate solution here for the NFL, but the long-term problem needs to be addressed. Television ratings have shown that no amount of concussions will cause fans to turn away. At least not yet. The NFL just keeps getting bigger and bigger and bigger.
    Bad teams and bad quarterbacking play, however, might pose a greater threat. There was a train wreck aspect to watching the Vikings on Monday but how long can that last? That’s on a national level, however. Counting on actual Viking fans to tune in each week for games shown locally from here on out is another thing.
    A league that is reliant on strong quarterbacking needs to find a way to develop the next generation of strong – or at least moderately strong – quarterbacks. The elite guys will always be there. Football desperately needs dozens of guys who are at the very least better than dudes three years into retirement.
    The NFL already does plenty of work with youth and high school football, but perhaps it needs to do more. Quarterbacking is already better at the college level, in part because of the rise in 7-on-7 offseason football in Texas and much of the South. That isn’t a perfect development system for the pros though.
    And neither are the college ranks anymore. The NFL was spoiled for decades by so many college coaches running pro-style offenses that led to fairly smooth transitions. Now the spread is the rage in the college game and while many of those elements work and NFL teams are embracing that system, it has yet to fully mesh.
    Maybe the NFL can take the work getting done by the Manning Passing Academy and the Elite 11 camps and take it to the next level. Maybe it can embrace the high school talent camps run by Rivals.com, Under Armor and others by either partnering or doing their own. Maybe it should return to running a developmental league, like it used to with NFL Europe, which might identify and refine some promising talent.
    Maybe it can just disperse an army of old quarterbacks to spread out around the country and work with young high school quarterbacks in big cities and small, little towns.
    Kind of like what Brett Favre is up to these days. "

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    the reason for the rams to stoop this low is because there is truly a shortage of good quarterbacks in the nfl today. couple that with all the injuries to those that are good to great and it makes for a real shortage! jmho!

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    I was glad and relieved to see that he graciously declined their offer...
    Tebow... I LIKE the kid, and I think that he's got a great work ethic; I just don't know if he can actually run a Pro-Style offense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Denman View Post
    I was glad and relieved to see that he graciously declined their offer...
    Tebow... I LIKE the kid, and I think that he's got a great work ethic; I just don't know if he can actually run a Pro-Style offense.
    i agree and doubt if they will even put a call in for him. however, looking at what they have, maybe, just maybe that will be their next call! he wasn't used like he could have been with rex ryan and that was a joke for the pats to even look at him, but i hear they had plans that he wanted no part of.

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    I am also thinking that Favre made the right decision this time. He was able to take the money and run his last year--but the performance somewhat tarnished his great record. This coming from someone who likes the guy so much that I have both a Green Bay and a Viking jersey with his number on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by akspyderman View Post
    I am also thinking that Favre made the right decision this time. He was able to take the money and run his last year--but the performance somewhat tarnished his great record. This coming from someone who likes the guy so much that I have both a Green Bay and a Viking jersey with his number on it.
    no jets jersey?

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    Quote Originally Posted by spydaman60 View Post
    no jets jersey?
    Sorry--that was very painful for me to watch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by akspyderman View Post
    Sorry--that was very painful for me to watch.
    it was for a lot of people!

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    They need to draft AJ McCarron...
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    Matthew Stafford, not the best, but the best the Lions have ever had.
    There are only about two QB's I'd take over him right now.

    I think it's hilarious after the first couple of years in the league, all the experts were saying the Lions made a mistake taking Stafford. They all thought that Josh Freeman and Sanchez were better quarterbacks.
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    ... And they are?...
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    The quarterback doesn't win the game, the team does. That was proved when the Washington Redskins won the 1991 Super Bowl. Their quarterback was Mark Rypien, who, on his best day, was just a pretty good quarterback. The difference between a great NFL quarterback and all the rest is a few seconds. A great quarterback gets the snap, looks once and throws . . . a mediocre quarterback has to look longer . . . sort of like the difference between a Commodore 64 computer processor and a Pentium . . . how fast it processes data. The 'Skins won their place in the post season and the Super Bowl because they had a killer offensive line, the Hogs, who gave their mediocre quarterback the time to process data and decide what to do. Any quarterback who makes it into the NFL is head and shoulders better than most college players, and any team that has a line that gives their quarterback all the time he needs is going to win. It seems that all the money goes to the superstars and teams cheap out on their offensive linemen, these days. The average salary of an offensive lineman is just over $1.2 million, but many only make between $300 and 400K, because there are superstars who make a LOT more, skewing the average. If teams started paying more to their offensive line, they might just discover their average quarterback can win games!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Denman View Post
    ... And they are?...
    Rodgers and Luck.

    All the others that are better than Stafford at this moment are to old.

    Now if you are putting all your eggs into one year, then this list would grow by at least three more.
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    The Rams don't need a good quarterback. They had one with Sam Bradford. What the Rams NEED is a offensive line that can stop the rush for more that .5 pico seconds. That has always been their problem, along with a secondary made up of no-talent hacks who couldn't catch a cold if they were standing outside in the pouring rain, naked, in the middle of January!

    No fundamentals when tackeling, blocking, or you name it. The only reason Warner was so good was his years in Arena Football where you had to have quick reads and the ability to get the pass off quickly. And he had a somewhat decent offensive line in 98 and 99. When Grant left, that was a huge hole that has yet to be filled.

    I glad that Sam's agent got so much of his contract guaranteed, he's gonna need it for therapy and live-in care givers later in life.

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