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 Originally Posted by Spyder Tony
Here is a link to the thread I posted where you can get a ST-Limited for the same money you're about to pay for a ST-S. Prices are being blown out on the 2013 ST-L's right now. May involve some travel, but even with shipping or travel expenses it's cheaper than the full price ST-L that I paid just a couple of months ago.
http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/s...783#post673783
Actually, I meant to say ST-Limited. The $20,999 price was for the same model, same color as your Florida dealer, but closer by a thousand miles or so. My bad, but you're right, that is a HOT price.
More importantly at this point - are you happy with your ST-L? Did you own a Spyder before?
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I bought the 2013 ST-S because of the riding position mainly. Having a bad back and a bad knee it seemed like the smartest choice.
Unfortunately I have only put on 40 miles so far so I can't give further input yet? 
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Originally Posted by Bob Denman
and your experience in this is????? We have a 2013.... wish we had the 2009 back....
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I am just the "eternal optimist"! 
It almost seems that not all STs are having issues, and I'm firmly convinced that BRP will get a handle on it.
But you're right; I'm riding a 2010 RT...
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Originally Posted by hotglue
and your experience in this is????? We have a 2013.... wish we had the 2009 back....
Throttle by cable no computer flapping butterflies for minutes after shutdown hand clutch that doesn't make me run 3500rpm bearable heat levels all dialed in comfort wise ,I live 200 mi from dealer we have 2 spyders for what 1 2013 costs I'm standing pat happy happy
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Originally Posted by SNOOPY
I bought the 2013 ST-S because of the riding position mainly. Having a bad back and a bad knee it seemed like the smartest choice.
Unfortunately I have only put on 40 miles so far so I can't give further input yet?
Snoopy! I can barely get out of my neighborhood in 40 miles. Go ride that thing!!  Or better yet, send it to me and I'll break it in for ya! 
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Originally Posted by SNOOPY
LOL
Only had it a couple days and don't have a motorcycle license yet. 
Don't want to get busted. 
Hoping to have my full license in a couple weeks, Virginia laws suck. LOL
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Okay, all is forgiven. I got my MC license 1st, and then flew to Missouri to pick up my Spyder I bought on Ebay, and then rode it home to Colorado. 700 miles right off the bat. Figured I was going to learn to ride the damn thing one way or the other! 
Of course, it would have helped if they didn't have the front tires set at 36 psi. No wonder the thing felt so ginchy  - thought I was going to end up in the trees. Read the manual that night in the hotel room and promptly adjusted the pressure down to 20. I run at 18 now. 
Have fun!
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Well, I am going the other unpopular way. I have both, I find my 08 GS SM5 with 42,000 totally trouble free miles, comfort seat, madstad shield, 3" riser block and highway pegs to be more comfortable. I have the dual-mode backrest on both. It steers easier by far, no heat to speak of, and the dash loads quickly before my buddies ride off, although it's not a problem to catch them on either one. My wife prefers to be on the GS also, says it feels more nimble and flies. Where the ST feels more planted and heavy, the GS feels more alive, especially around town. I do like the SM.
The ST is very nice in a different kind of way, it's smoother than the GS, feels more planted due to the weight of the Catalytic converter and such, and the Brakes are fantastic. The automatic trans works great although I miss the control of the clutch. It steers and follows a line well, but takes more effort to do it. The heat problem needs to be addressed, not only from a comfort standpoint, but a safety issue as well, master cylinders aren't supposed to melt. The windshield works OK but I wouldn't want to look through it. The electronic parking brake is nice. Of course I have spent a ton of money on the GS to get it like it is, so it's really not a fair comparison, in stock form I would have to take the ST, for the brakes if nothing else. I would try to ride an ST for a couple of days if possible if your not sure, I would have hated myself for trading in my trusty farkled out GS for peanuts only to have heat and steering issues right out of the box, although the steering has been resolved. I love them both, but my nod goes to the GS, to each his own.
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Originally Posted by capt.jim
Well, I am going the other unpopular way. I have both, I find my 08 GS SM5 with 42,000 totally trouble free miles, comfort seat, madstad shield, 3" riser block and highway pegs to be more comfortable. I have the dual-mode backrest on both. It steers easier by far, no heat to speak of, and the dash loads quickly before my buddies ride off, although it's not a problem to catch them on either one. My wife prefers to be on the GS also, says it feels more nimble and flies. Where the ST feels more planted and heavy, the GS feels more alive, especially around town. I do like the SM.
The ST is very nice in a different kind of way, it's smoother than the GS, feels more planted due to the weight of the Catalytic converter and such, and the Brakes are fantastic. The automatic trans works great although I miss the control of the clutch. It steers and follows a line well, but takes more effort to do it. The heat problem needs to be addressed, not only from a comfort standpoint, but a safety issue as well, master cylinders aren't supposed to melt. The windshield works OK but I wouldn't want to look through it. The electronic parking brake is nice. Of course I have spent a ton of money on the GS to get it like it is, so it's really not a fair comparison, in stock form I would have to take the ST, for the brakes if nothing else. I would try to ride an ST for a couple of days if possible if your not sure, I would have hated myself for trading in my trusty farkled out GS for peanuts only to have heat and steering issues right out of the box, although the steering has been resolved. I love them both, but my nod goes to the GS, to each his own.
Capt.jim - thank-you so much for your thoughful response. I have a question for you. You say the steering has been resolved - how did you resolve it? The steering is probably my biggest concern moving over to the ST, as it has taken me this long to get up to speed around corners and such on my GS. Now, I just started riding a year ago when i got it, so there was a very large learning curve. I had a lot of fears to overcome, but have (for the most part) done so. I am not a fast rider by any means, but need to at least be able to do speed limit +5 or 10 (not including the yellow suggested speed limit signs) around the twisties. I live in the mountains of Colorado.
I have a 4" riser that I have not installed yet. I put in highway pegs, but not real happy with them. So, I guess what I'm saying is I'm working on the farkles to resolve the issues I have with the GS, and don't really mind doing a few more.
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Originally Posted by SNOOPY
LOLOnly had it a couple days and don't have a motorcycle license yet.
Don't want to get busted.
Hoping to have my full license in a couple weeks, Virginia laws suck. LOL
fullmetaljacket.jpg I said "DO IT NOW"; maggot!
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Originally Posted by SNOOPY
LOL
Only had it a couple days and don't have a motorcycle license yet.
Don't want to get busted.
Hoping to have my full license in a couple weeks, Virginia laws suck. LOL
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Do they offer a learners permit? In NC, I was able to take a written test, get a permit to ride - alone. That was how I got it home, then just went out and practiced for a while before taking the test for the endorsement.
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Originally Posted by shelbydave
Do they offer a learners permit? In NC, I was able to take a written test, get a permit to ride - alone. That was how I got it home, then just went out and practiced for a while before taking the test for the endorsement.
Yes, I have the permit. But it only allows me to ride if another motorcyclist rides along w/ me. I think they even said they had to be within 20 feet of me? What the heck?
And I have to hold the permit 30 days before I can get the real license. 
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Yes...i'd recommend one
Originally Posted by SpyderSue
More importantly at this point - are you happy with your ST-L? Did you own a Spyder before?
Yes...I had an overheating issue initially but my dealership and BRP got me through that. I have been on a few organized rides now (Poker runs mostly) and love how my Spyder is performing. Like you, I wanted the ST-L because of the upright seating position, yet wanted the lesser weight and sportiness of the RS over the RT. Not only am I glad that I chose the ST-L, I would recommend one to a prospective buyer AND I would purchase the same bike again if I had it all to do over. I rode the whole line, and the ST-L was the right bike for me. It really is a personal choice though...others may tell you that the ST lineup is riddled with problems and defects.
Good luck in your decision making process!!!
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