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 Originally Posted by Bob Denman
Well this is very interesting... 
I have finally bit the bullet and moved my shift-points out of the basement. Largely due to the recent discussions regarding potential clutch damage for not allowing it to get locked-up fully... 
I've been shifting at 4000rpm and downshifting when rpms levels drop to about 3200...
...And I'm STILL getting almost 34pmg! 
I have seen the light... 
Move up another 1K (5K upshifting and 4K downshifting). 
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Doc,
I'm sitting on an RT; the powerband is about 1000 rpm lower than the GS/RS...
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Like you Bob, I'm making sure I'm over 4K before shifting up, but with the SE it wont let me downshift as soon as I'd like, or feel like it should, mostly wanting to get out of 5th to 4th.
Maybe I'm missing some technique on how to do it, but I hit the paddle to downshift and it simply won't till it gets down to the computer designated point.
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I have a Spyder RT-S SE5 2010 Model
Ref Revs and when to shift up
Is the recommendation to shift up in all gears over 4,000 rpm's e.g. 1st Gear reach 4,000 rpm -Change up to 2nd
2nd Gear reach 4,000 rpm -Change up to 3rd etc
At present when town riding at 30mph I tend to have the revs just over 3,000 - in 3rd gear I don't change up to 4th gear until I Need to go
over 40mph, 5th gear is usually selected if on the Highwayand I need to go over 50+mph
Is this ok or do I need adjust my Revs V Gear change style to ensure I get the best out of my Rotax engine
Thanks
Eddie Sheppard
Reading UK
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Normally, I don't pay much attention to gas mileage, my '08 GS gets 30 to 33 mpg no matter how I twist its tail. However, there was one ride through the back roads of southern Indiana where I never got above 4th gear, and that rarely, or 45 mph, again rarely, and got over 38 mpg!
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The PEAK is 1000rpms lower. The peak is also nowhere near 4-5k rpms.
11_canam_spyder.jpgron wood spyder dyno.jpg
Most people ignore everything below 4k rpms when they dyno, it's just not meant to be run at those rpms 
At 5500 rpm the RS and RT are both right at 70HP. Before that they drop off rapidly.
Last edited by Sny; 06-11-2012 at 05:53 PM.
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shifting points
My husband and I have had a major fight over this shifting points. I tried to tell him about not shifting into 4th and 5th gear. He gets mad if I don't shift up. Thanks for making me feel better. When he is not on the bike I will ride with the lower gears. When he is on.. he can shift how he wants too. Most of the time he will be on his Goldwing and not on my RedBird.
Originally Posted by akspyderman
Welcome aboard Bob. It really does work.
I usually drive around town in no higher gear than 3rd.
Up to 50-55 no higher gear than 4th.
60 or higher--5th gear.
These points keep the revs up and you machine is ready for power if you need it.
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Well..!!
Originally Posted by Bob Denman
Well this is very interesting...
I have finally bit the bullet and moved my shift-points out of the basement. Largely due to the recent discussions regarding potential clutch damage for not allowing it to get locked-up fully...
I've been shifting at 4000rpm and downshifting when rpms levels drop to about 3200...
...And I'm STILL getting almost 34pmg!
I have seen the light...
Now that you have seen the light, don't go towards it..!!
Gene and Ilana De Laney
Mt. Helix, California
2012 RS sm5
2012 RS sm5 , 998cc V-Twin 106hp DIY brake and park brake Classic Black
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Originally Posted by RedBird
My husband and I have had a major fight over this shifting points. I tried to tell him about not shifting into 4th and 5th gear. He gets mad if I don't shift up. Thanks for making me feel better. When he is not on the bike I will ride with the lower gears. When he is on.. he can shift how he wants too. Most of the time he will be on his Goldwing and not on my RedBird.
Redbird, tell hubby to tend to his GW and from now on he's confined to the rear seat of Redbird, unless he wants to shuck out $1000 for a new clutch! His GW has enough torque to pull an 18 wheeler and is twice the size of our Can Am motors which are made to run higher RPM's.
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In town traffic on my RT I spend most of my time in first and second gear running around 5,500 rpm. On back roads third gear and sometimes fourth at 5,500-6,500 and only get to top gear (5) on the interstate and do around 6,000 to 7,000 rpm.
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I Rarely shift the RT below 5,500 to 7,000 and stay in 3rd gear till at least 50 MPH. I didn,t buy it to worry if I,m getting 2-3 extra miles a gallon. My 255 HP Sea Doo only gets 5-6 MPG.
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Originally Posted by docdoru
Move up another 1K (5K upshifting and 4K downshifting).
That is what I do.
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Shifting up at 5000 revs of higher makes for a smooth quick shift. Shifting up at lower rpms can make a harsher shift.
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Originally Posted by can-am sam
Shifting up at 5000 revs of higher makes for a smooth quick shift. Shifting up at lower rpms can make a harsher shift.
I used to upshift about 3500, but have learned to wait till over 4000 and usually over 4500. I'm going to try try this and see if I get any improvement in mileage, which has never broken 30 mpg.
I let the Spyder decide on the down-shifting, unless I'm in a hilly or twisty area and think I'll need the power before the bike knows about it.
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I find that fuel economy is not where you shift, but whether or not you are running in the engine's sweet spot. Think about it, a shift happens in a split second and occurs once every few minutes. Whereas you are cruising along the rest of the time; on the open highway you might not shift out of a gear for miles and miles. The Spyder's sweet spot seems to be in the region of 4000 and 6000 rpms; when it feels neither lugging or being revved too high. So yeah, maybe shifting has an indirect affect on MPG, it's really how often you stay in the motor's sweet spot that contributes to fuel mileage.
FWIW I was getting 150mi easily with one bar left on a recent trip.
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Originally Posted by Bob Denman
Well this is very interesting...
I have finally bit the bullet and moved my shift-points out of the basement. Largely due to the recent discussions regarding potential clutch damage for not allowing it to get locked-up fully...
I've been shifting at 4000rpm and downshifting when rpms levels drop to about 3200...
...And I'm STILL getting almost 34pmg!
I have seen the light...
Huston, we have a convert. 
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I know this is a SE convo but on my SM, I find it shifts smoother between 5500 and 6500. Maybe it's just me and how I shift but closer to 6000 and it seems to just slip into gear. I have actually shifted a few times without even using the clutch.
Bob
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Originally Posted by finless
I know this is a SE convo but on my SM, I find it shifts smoother between 5500 and 6500. Maybe it's just me and how I shift but closer to 6000 and it seems to just slip into gear. I have actually shifted a few times without even using the clutch.
Bob
That's been my observation with the SM as well. I sounds almost abusive on paper, but things just seem to work better in that range.
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My foot is still working well.. MPG is normal... 25-26 MPG expressway limits
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With my SM-5 I'm getting 30 MPG's with the trailer (I shift at 5500 RPM's with it)... around 32 without.
. This gives smooth, seamless shifts between gears. 
and is happy with how that operates.
