what kind of engine would you like ?

[Yazz]

http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/a...4&d=1290755201
Ooooooooohhh... low compression radial engine is my dream...

[BajaRon]

More Motor! - Bigger Tires!

[Bob Denman]

Doesn't that one kind of get away from the whole "Y-Factor" stability thing???

[Lamonster]

Doesn't that one kind of get away from the whole "Y-Factor" stability thing???

Yes, look at about 3.00 into the video.

[Bob Denman]

So maybe they were just a bit too early with this design... Do you think that Bosch could have "Nannyized" it for them?

[BajaRon]

Doesn't that one kind of get away from the whole "Y-Factor" stability thing???

Picture was only to represent more motor and bigger tires. Not a change in design from the Y factor.

[LDFIREWORKS]

[Raptor]

You can pretty much bet the only engine we will ever see in a Spyder will be a Rotax. All the other suggestions are great but Rotax is owned by BRP and I'm sure they can make what they have work for us in some shape or form.
I want more power (torque), longer life and better fuel economy (6 speed). Just saying.

My fantasy side DEFINITELY goes with Seth on this, but the realistic side agrees with Lamont. It will be a Rotax. But confound it, if they could get 180HP for the Aprilia race bike, they can certainly improve the HP and torque numbers for us and stay with the same platform. They are just being stingy with it and that is why the customer base is not growing the way it should be. Young folks will never go for it as long as it's doggin' the way it is now. A non-switchable, non-tweekable nanny is another huge detriment that should be addressed...

[Bob Denman]

Picture was only to represent more motor and bigger tires. Not a change in design from the Y factor.

I know... But you've got to admit it "stirred the pot" a bit too!

[Dwight]

Ya know, I'm not really too unhappy with the stock engine. If they would just give us the ability to choose different stages of tune like most of the new crotch rockets I think that would take care of it. How about Touring, Sport, and Rain selections? Couple the tune stages with the VSS to support the selections and I think I'd be happy. Off course a little more horsepower and torque wouldn't hurt my feelings any.

Dwight

[M2Wild]

The 255hp SCIC engine from the RXP-X would be a good starting point.

[Bob Denman]

LIke what your Ultra is packing?? I sure wouldn't mind more grunt just off of idle, but I'm not sure that a pushrod motor with milk pail sized slugs in the bore is where I'd want to go to get it...
Although I DID go climb on a Tri-Glide Ultra this past Friday... WHEW!

[Greg H.]

You can pretty much bet the only engine we will ever see in a Spyder will be a Rotax. All the other suggestions are great but Rotax is owned by BRP and I'm sure they can make what they have work for us in some shape or form.
I want more power (torque), longer life and better fuel economy (6 speed). Just saying.

.... longer life....

How many miles do you suppose the Rotax 998cc on the Spyder is good for? 100,000? more? less?

[RAL]

Seems to me they would be wise to offer a longer stroke torquemonster for the rt guys, think Harley. For the RS the 998 Rotax is fine but there should be a 650 750 ish option for a commuter special. 50+ mpg @ 70mph would sale a lot of units now......just wait till the full impact of the domestic anti oil company policy's really hit.
For the speed demons just have the 150 hp Aprilla engine as an option.

RAL

[NancysToy]

Seems to me they would be wise to offer a longer stroke torquemonster for the rt guys, think Harley. For the RS the 998 Rotax is fine but there should be a 650 750 ish option for a commuter special. 50+ mpg @ 70mph would sale a lot of units now......just wait till the full impact of the domestic anti oil company policy's really hit.
For the speed demons just have the 150 hp Aprilla engine as an option.

RAL

A long stroke v-twin would be difficult, given the current architecture. There is precious little room under the frame, above the valve covers, for this shorter stroke version. A taller frame, to accomodate the engine, would cut even further into the fuel tank area. A boxer engine would be easier to work with for several reasons...although a severely canted four or six inline, like the new BMWs, might work.

50 mpg ain't gonna happen with anything the size of a barn door, with the aerodynamics of a parachute. A more aerodynamic vehicle would kill the look...especially with the suspension covered. I don't think we want clones of cages. Some things may be desireable, buit they aren't always practical...or pretty. Nice to dream about, though. Perhaps a hybrid is the answer.

[BajaRon]

A long stroke v-twin would be difficult, given the current architecture. There is precious little room under the frame, above the valve covers, for this shorter stroke version. A taller frame, to accomodate the engine, would cut even further into the fuel tank area. A boxer engine would be easier to work with for several reasons...although a severely canted four or six inline, like the new BMWs, might work.

50 mpg ain't gonna happen with anything the size of a barn door, with the aerodynamics of a parachute. A more aerodynamic vehicle would kill the look...especially with the suspension covered. I don't think we want clones of cages. Some things may be desireable, buit they aren't always practical...or pretty. Nice to dream about, though. Perhaps a hybrid is the answer.

How about something along the lines of the Honda Magna engine? A V-4 would give more head room and the Spyder seems wide enough to accomodate more width. That might allow a significant bump in CC's. And the Magna is no slouch in HP either.

[NancysToy]

How about something along the lines of the Honda Magna engine? A V-4 would give more head room and the Spyder seems wide enough to accomodate more width. That might allow a significant bump in CC's. And the Magna is no slouch in HP either.

Hadn't thought of that. Ah, the stuff dreams are made of...

[BajaRon]

Hadn't thought of that. Ah, the stuff dreams are made of...

Well, I'm no engineer and I suppose there are all kinds of reasons it wouldn't work. But you're right. A dream does not have to be engineered.. At least in the early stages, that is!

[challman]

it`s told that ROTAX workes on a new engine for the spyders ..
the have different modells on their webside www.rotax.com
so what kind of modell you would prefer ?
for me could be better
fuel-consumption / torque /oil-service intervall /
and a little more HP..
maybe a little more show - like here

I would like to see the 1,800 Honda V Twin Water Cooled. This bike needs lots more low end torque.

Also they need to make it about 4 inches longer, and have regular handle bar brackets so you can put them wherever you want them without having to pay 600 dollars.

Drive Shaft This belt arangement is NOISY

[RoadHammer]

vmax powered and harley powered

[Smokinspyder]

I Definately would say more fuel economy . Maybe have some kind of special models for speed demons and more fuel efficeint models for some of us who cruise ?

[elixermixer]

has to be a Rotax? ok a EBR tuned 1125 Rotax = EBR 1190
175 bhp @9750
97 lb-ft @9500
ok so its not a low rpm gas sipping mile eating torque pounding beast but really how bad could it suck

variable efi / "nanny" maps would be nice too

ebr 1190 specs
http://www.motorcyclistonline.com/fi...fications.html
the price tag should make us feel a lil better about the spyder price tag

[Gordy]

about a 1200cc v4 would be nice

[Bootie]

Yes, look at about 3.00 into the video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4YmVP6i4qw

I think I'll stick with an odd number of wheels. Let's see...1 wheel or 3 wheels. I'll go with 3 wheels.

[SpyderWolf]

If it fits in the water sport toys, let's envision this 215 HP engine in the RT. I know, I know, but we can dream, right? http://www.rotax.com/en/Innovation/

I have been thinking the same thing for a while now.

RSV4 from Aprilia (186 HP):

• Engine capacity: 999.6 cc
• Architecture: 65° V4
• Crankcase: monobloc with integrated crankcase liners
• Timing system: 4 valves per cylinder (Titanium and Nymonic) operated directly by a camshaft driven by a mixed chain/gear system, lateral timing chain, central gear train
• Fuel system: Electronic injection with 2 injectors per cylinder and integrated independent Ride by Wire system for each bank. Three mappings selectable from handlebar.
• Antivibration countershaft
• Compression ratio: 13:1
• Transmission: 6-speed direct-control cassette type gearbox
• Clutch: Multiplate wet clutch with mechanical slipper system
• Electronic management: Magneti Marelli control unit managing ignition, injection and Ride by Wire system, and variable length intake ducts
• APRC system for dynamic control

Perhaps this will be Spyder X some day.