Need help with juice box problems

[Firefly]

Any chance you could of got some bad gas or perhaps a spark plug cap loose? check the simple things first.Also if your running the stock filter it may not be getting all the 02 it requires and possibly making it run too rich.

Considering the gas smell--- I think there's a strong case he's running too rich.

I would do as Bone Crusher recommended and take modes 2-3-4 down to .5 and see how it runs--- gradually increase them and see what happens.

When mine would cut out it was VERY noticeable and I would get a strong gas smell... so yes I think I was running too rich. Changing settings 5 and 6 took care of it.

[412Spyder]

Yeah too rich I believe is deff the case. With setting for being at 6.5 it seems to be dumping fuel like crazy. Going to turn I all down and go from there. We have some ugly weather coming the next few days. Gonna order some
new plugs the y gaskets and other parts and just give it a maintain weekend and finish it all. Going to also dothe purge valve and see what's up. I'll post pics of my plugs when I pull em. Thanks for all the help guys. If u can think I'd anything else to check please let me know.

[Some Guy]

Yeah too rich I believe is deff the case. With setting for being at 6.5 it seems to be dumping fuel like crazy. Going to turn I all down and go from there. We have some ugly weather coming the next few days. Gonna order some
new plugs the y gaskets and other parts and just give it a maintain weekend and finish it all. Going to also dothe purge valve and see what's up. I'll post pics of my plugs when I pull em. Thanks for all the help guys. If u can think I'd anything else to check please let me know.

Get the Honda Y gaskets, they're way better than stock. Firefly and I changed ours about 1,500 miles ago and have had no problems. I also changed my plugs...went with the iridium ($7 each at AutoZone). They're supposed to last longer than stock...I guess I'll wait and see.

Ryde safe!

[Some Guy]

1= not used.
2= extra fuel to add during acceleration
3= extra fuel to add during WOT (wide open throttle)
4= extra fuel to add during cursing
5= how sensitive it reacts to throttle input in order to use setting 2
6= how sensitive it react to throttle input in order to use setting 3

Hey Firefly!
I figured out your JB issues...it's your potty-mouth causing the JB to add too much fuel!!!

[bone crusher]

Hey Firefly!
I figured out your JB issues...it's your potty-mouth causing the JB to add too much fuel!!!

That is too funny...good catch!

[Firefly]

Lot's of extra fuel required when cursing

[doudy]

You can had a air/fuel ratio analyzer too, as the stepping motor's one

[412Spyder]

HAHA that slid right by me too.... no wonder my bike hates me right now... ill have to keep that in mind more fuel = more cursing

[Firefly]

I keep getting tempted..... either going to get the Power Commander setup with gauges, auto-tune, etc....... or step up and get the Aerocharger. the more I've read about their technology the more I like what they've done. Sure would make for a nice, clean setup.

[412Spyder]

I keep getting tempted..... either going to get the Power Commander setup with gauges, auto-tune, etc....... or step up and get the Aerocharger. the more I've read about their technology the more I like what they've done. Sure would make for a nice, clean setup.

the auto tune and gauges are looking pretty tempting at the point im at right now. Called auto zone, pep boys, advanced auto and no one has the NGK DCPR9EIX in stock. Going to call napa tomorrow or order online. I'm hoping the plug issue and cutting back my setting 4 is going to help me out. I also called two brothers today waiting for keith to call me back... starting to wonder if this is a faulty unit as well. Can spark plugs dry out after they get clogged up from running to rich allowing the bike to run good for another 20 min then going back to crap?

[boborgera]

Can spark plugs dry out after they get clogged up from running to rich allowing the bike to run good for another 20 min then going back to crap?

Yes, but only for a short time sooner or later they'll foul out completely.

[412Spyder]

Yes, but only for a short time sooner or later they'll foul out completely.

Sounds good as soon as i get a clue on what i need before i pull these spark plugs ill know exactly whats going on. Cant wait till this is all done with haha. Thanks for the help everyone wont be posting pics of the plugs until monday ( need a torque wrench and hoping to get a filter in the next day or too so i can leave the airbox out for good ).

[aka1004]

aerocharger is 5000 bucks?

[412Spyder]

aerocharger is 5000 bucks?

Thats what has been said... they are to be released this month.

http://www.aerocharger.com/kits_canam_spyder.php

[aka1004]

Thats what has been said... they are to be released this month.

http://www.aerocharger.com/kits_canam_spyder.php

hopely when there are more spyders around price will go down.
i am all for 40% more hp but not at 5k plus no warranty on powertrain at least, i am guessing.
it's not only 5k for aerocharger but will need 1000 dollar shocks also.

[Firefly]

I'm not sure about the plug readings.... but from what I've heard the only possible way to get an accurate reading is to get up to cruising (cursing) speed and then hit the kill switch.... coast to a stop and check the plugs.


Yes---- the Aerocharger setup is $5,000. The first production units are shipping out this week.

I don't expect the price to drop at all.

[krb1945]

It sounds like it all started with a too lean fuel mixture. Being too lean may cause increased cylinder temperatures which in turn could damage the spark plugs... especially if there is no ceramic past on the threads to help pass excess heat off the plugs.

It also sounds that the mixture is still too lean when running in stop and go traffic. With increased temperature you need a little richer mixture to help cool the cylinders. Gas just like water/antifreeze mixture is a coolant.

IOW increased temperature in the internal cylinder head in the area of the spark plug may be causing that area to glow red which will cause pre-detonation which will rob performance, power, smoothness, idle... everything suffers with too lean a mixture... including mpg's.

If you've had the updates... it may be as simple as riching the mixture a little more... each is a different machine... what works on one may be real close on another but not exact. Ken krb1945

[RoadHammer]

hopely when there are more spyders around price will go down.
i am all for 40% more hp but not at 5k plus no warranty on powertrain at least, i am guessing.
it's not only 5k for aerocharger but will need 1000 dollar shocks also.

goodbye to the warranty for sure..

[Firefly]

hopely when there are more spyders around price will go down.
i am all for 40% more hp but not at 5k plus no warranty on powertrain at least, i am guessing.
it's not only 5k for aerocharger but will need 1000 dollar shocks also.

While I would also be concerned about the warranty, remember that here in the good ol' USA we have laws--- and the manufacturer has to show your modification caused the failure.

That alone wouldn't keep me from doing this as their system continually monitors the whole thing so that engine damage should not happen--- but they can't obviously monitor excess wear on your drivetrain.... but many of us thrash these bikes really hard and probably are causing excess drivetrain wear just running as stock.

Towing would also cause excess wear... heck... the turbo kit might actually allow the Rotax to NOT run as hard for tasks like towing.

The main thing keeping me from doing one is the price tag.

If it was $3,000 I would have one already... but $5K is a bit hard to justify in my mind.... but man does this look like it would be fun!

[412Spyder]

Well i finally got the chance to pull out my plugs and wow they are straight black and smell like gas.


Thats with two bros stock settings on the JB and my Two bros dual...Still stock airbox. My settings are as follows

1 (green) =.5 - i know this one does matter
2 (yellow) = 2
3 (red) = 1
4 (green/blue) = 6.5
5 (yellow/blue) = 4
6 (red/blue) = 4

I know as bonecrusher said he starts at 3 across the board and goes from there. How will i know what my sweet spots will be. Im taking it just by looking at my settings know i need to come down on setting 4? any suggestions would be great i dont want to run to lean and mess things up but i certainly dont want my new plugs to look like this after a tank. Thanks a lot guys

[bone crusher]

Well i finally got the chance to pull out my plugs and wow they are straight black and smell like gas.


Thats with two bros stock settings on the JB and my Two bros dual...Still stock airbox. My settings are as follows

1 (green) =.5 - i know this one does matter
2 (yellow) = 2
3 (red) = 1
4 (green/blue) = 6.5
5 (yellow/blue) = 4
6 (red/blue) = 4

I know as bonecrusher said he starts at 3 across the board and goes from there. How will i know what my sweet spots will be. Im taking it just by looking at my settings know i need to come down on setting 4? any suggestions would be great i dont want to run to lean and mess things up but i certainly dont want my new plugs to look like this after a tank. Thanks a lot guys

Wow...yeah...the first thing I'd do is can your stock air filter and get something that lets in more air...get a green filter or K&N or somethin'.

I think you can bring 2 and 3 up a little...keep 4 pretty low as this is your 'cruising' setting...I don't see the need for this one too high unless you simply want to have backfiring while riding and burn unnecessary gas...for 5 and 6, according to Fire, make sure they are different or they can apparently 'short' each other out.

I do believe each bike and each mod. require individual tweaking...like I said before, I start around 3 for all and modify accordingly. I look for good performance and if I get any backfiring from the exhaust, I lower the setting when it occurs...for example, I used to get backfiring while decelerating from 5th to 4th gear...and then cruise...I lowered this down and this seems to have stopped.

I just got the 2nd update so I have to go through the process again...it's fun to tweak it...I make a change or two...run a tank of gas, and then make changes, as necessary. I think I can dial the best settings in within 3-4 fill-ups...

[412Spyder]

Wow...yeah...the first thing I'd do is can your stock air filter and get something that lets in more air...get a green filter or K&N or somethin'.

I think you can bring 2 and 3 up a little...keep 4 pretty low as this is your 'cruising' setting...I don't see the need for this one too high unless you simply want to have backfiring while riding and burn unnecessary gas...for 5 and 6, according to Fire, make sure they are different or they can apparently 'short' each other out.

I do believe each bike and each mod. require individual tweaking...like I said before, I start around 3 for all and modify accordingly. I look for good performance and if I get any backfiring from the exhaust, I lower the setting when it occurs...for example, I used to get backfiring while decelerating from 5th to 4th gear...and then cruise...I lowered this down and this seems to have stopped.

I just got the 2nd update so I have to go through the process again...it's fun to tweak it...I make a change or two...run a tank of gas, and then make changes, as necessary. I think I can dial the best settings in within 3-4 fill-ups...

Ordered a Kewl metal on Wednesday im hoping it shipped out Friday so i will have it this week.... im deff going to lower setting 4 and i did have the decel popping issue not sure if you would consider it a backfire but its sounded pretty embarrassing. Im going to lower my setting 4 to 3 and bring up 1 and 2.... seeing as how low one and two are going any lower then what two bros had wont hurt anything correct? also when you say you dial in your settings are you checking the plugs after a tank or going by mpg and butt dyno... i cannot wait to get this airbox outta here. when it put it back in i did however remove the 2 rubber tubes that suck in air and am running a big hole in the airbox. Thanks bone crusher for giving me the crash course ill let ya know how my ride goes tomorrow. ill do your setting 3's across the board and see how it goes.

[Firefly]

Wow...yeah...the first thing I'd do is can your stock air filter and get something that lets in more air...get a green filter or K&N or somethin'.

I think you can bring 2 and 3 up a little...keep 4 pretty low as this is your 'cruising' setting...I don't see the need for this one too high unless you simply want to have backfiring while riding and burn unnecessary gas...for 5 and 6, according to Fire, make sure they are different or they can apparently 'short' each other out.

I do believe each bike and each mod. require individual tweaking...like I said before, I start around 3 for all and modify accordingly. I look for good performance and if I get any backfiring from the exhaust, I lower the setting when it occurs...for example, I used to get backfiring while decelerating from 5th to 4th gear...and then cruise...I lowered this down and this seems to have stopped.

I just got the 2nd update so I have to go through the process again...it's fun to tweak it...I make a change or two...run a tank of gas, and then make changes, as necessary. I think I can dial the best settings in within 3-4 fill-ups...

Setting 4 is for cruising.... should be lower than 2 and 3 as they are for Accel and full throttle. For sure gotta make 5 & 6 different from each other.

[412Spyder]

Setting 4 is for cruising.... should be lower than 2 and 3 as they are for Accel and full throttle. For sure gotta make 5 & 6 different from each other.

When i posted that i copy and pasted from my pervious post. That was the first thing i did i set 5 to 3 and 6 to 1. deff going to cut down 4 i cant wait to ride this thing again.

[bone crusher]

When i posted that i copy and pasted from my pervious post. That was the first thing i did i set 5 to 3 and 6 to 1. deff going to cut down 4 i cant wait to ride this thing again.

I keep my 5 and 6 higher...remember that the lower these numbers, the faster the injection for throttle and max throttle...I don't know the millisecond difference, but I keep them a bit higher...4 is the one that seems to affect the mileage the most, at least for me...