It's Official - BRP charges premium prices

[Questions]

money and spends more than it gets anway...the gov't then increases its hiring for many more meaningless jobs, and soon you have over 50% of the population working for the gov't...who is left to tax??

The U.S. economy drives world economics...if the gov't takes everything over, that's the end of the 'American Dream'. .....we already have over 50% of the work force working at some government job....prison sytems, law enforcement, judical etc...soon it will be medical....but STILL who is left to tax? McDonalds employees?

[Questions]

this is by far, the best thread....always great to see there are intelligent, free thinkers out there. thanks for that

[WackyDan]

it's not free..

Bingo- but neither are spyders.

[Smylinacha]

You got that right!

Let's hope not...as Margaret Thatcher said 'Socialism fails when you run out of everyone elses' money to spend'...too bad this gov't doesn't get it!

[Smylinacha]

Well put!!!

If you think the quality of care matches the U.S., then so be it...no more Canadians coming south to the U.S. for care...there would be an uproar if this was enacted.

Socialized medicine, as do all socialistic programs, breed mediocrity. There is no progress as there is no incentive. It's not a crime, nor should it be, to work hard and succeed. The fed. gov't should limit its control and more power should go to the individual states.

Here in the U.S., insurance companies average a 3% profit, which is not high at all. Your company will not grow much with only a 3% profit! The gov't would end up taxing more and just running out of money...no question about this...it happens with all gov't programs...in addition, where are they going to find competent people to run such a program? To anyone who works with Medicare or other social services, you know what I am talking about.

The free market works and it should be the driving factor for our countries and the world. The more the gov't does, the worse off we are...you usually don't get your brightest and best working for the gov't as ambition is best served in the private sector...the gov't is best as an umbrella organization, not as a business owner...the gov't taxes the private sector until it gets to a point of suffocation, then wastes the money and spends more than it gets anway...the gov't then increases its hiring for many more meaningless jobs, and soon you have over 50% of the population working for the gov't...who is left to tax??

The U.S. economy drives world economics...if the gov't takes everything over, that's the end of the 'American Dream'.

A little gov't can go a long way...a big gov't can only lead to more problems...

Okay, I'm off my soapbox and won't comment more on this topic. As far as you guys paying more for Spyders up there, yeah, it stinks, but so too do a lot of other things!

[Oldmanzues]

This price difference has been going on for years. Back in the 1960's you could buy a British car in New York for less then you could in London, even without paying the local tax in London and that huge.

The Germans had a program where you could fly to Germany, buy a car and then it got shiped to the United States, but you had drive it a set number of miles or more in Germany, before you could bring it into the states.

I do not know about "strawman" in general, but if you do it with weapons, you can get in serious trouble.

Old Man Zues

[Way2Fast]

money and spends more than it gets anway...the gov't then increases its hiring for many more meaningless jobs, and soon you have over 50% of the population working for the gov't...who is left to tax??

The U.S. economy drives world economics...if the gov't takes everything over, that's the end of the 'American Dream'. .....we already have over 50% of the work force working at some government job....prison sytems, law enforcement, judical etc...soon it will be medical....but STILL who is left to tax? McDonalds employees?

Who is left to tax ?? Do you think that government employees don't pay taxes ?

[Way2Fast]

One of my best friends is a Canadian citizen. When he had kidney stones the US hospitals pushed him to the side because he didn't have a US health insurance policy. He went back home to Canada and received immediate treatment. He is not employed in in his home country and has been working here for years. Canadians do not have to be employed there to receive government health care. That said, I am happy with my current health insurance and do not want the US government to force a plan down my throat.

What really gets my goat is that hospitals and doctors charge the uninsured the highest price for health care. When the care is covered by an insurance policy they charge 50-70% LESS than they would charge the individual. Those with no insurance are the least able to pay for service, yet they are charged the most.

[Questions]

Who is left to tax ?? Do you think that government employees don't pay taxes ?

sure they pay....but you need industrial type jobs for balance....not every McDonalds type worker can work for the government....balance is everything

[Rub]

What does health care have to do with the price of a Spyder???

I'm afraid this thread has spiralled in and is just a smoking wreck...

Rub

[NancysToy]

I'm afraid this thread has spiralled in and is just a smoking wreck...b

[Firefly]

What does health care have to do with the price of a Spyder???

I'm afraid this thread has spiralled in and is just a smoking wreck...

Rub

Sorry---- Sometimes I just can't control responding to people posting incorrect things (Canadians coming in droves to the US for healthcare,, long waiting lists, etc.). This is what happens when people just repeat what they have 'heard' without doing any research.

I had to wait 10 months to get my Spyder - and my Blue Cross policy didn't pay a single dime for my mental anguish!

[Neez]

I'm a Canadian who rides quite a bit in the US. Before leaving home, I'm always careful to purchase out-of-province short-term medical coverage from BCAA (AAA affiliate). An accident otherwise could be financially ruinous. BTW, this is most certainly NOT a criticism of American health care, but a caution to other Canadian ryders, since the subject seems to have come up. Nothing to do with the price of Spyders, I admit.

[NancysToy]

I'm a Canadian who rides quite a bit in the US. Before leaving home, I'm always careful to purchase out-of-province short-term medical coverage from BCAA (AAA affiliate). An accident otherwise could be financially ruinous. BTW, this is most certainly NOT a criticism of American health care, but a caution to other Canadian ryders, since the subject seems to have come up. Nothing to do with the price of Spyders, I admit.

Good point. This works the same in both directions. Riders should also get an international vehicle insurance certificate before they cross, as well. Very difficult (and expensive) to be away from home, out of your native country, and find out you have no valid insurance.

[Firefly]

Good point. This works the same in both directions. Riders should also get an internation vehicle insurance certificate before they cross, as well. Very difficult (and expensive) to be away from home, out of your native country, and find out you have no valid insurance.

See-- I knew something good would eventually come out of this!

Something most just don't think about---- good thing to have. I never really thought about it--- but will now!

[Smylinacha]

OK, I will try my darndest to zip the lip after this. My family lives in SW Florida. I go down there from time to time. They have alot of friends from Canada who spend the winter down there - many of their seasonal neighbors are from Canada. From the ones I met (and they all have a good chunk of change sitting in the bank) all get their medical stuff done in the states - why? They told me about how long it takes to get a procedure done - it's bad Even for something pressing, they tell me there is a wait. No thanks, Ill take what we have right now. It may not be perfect but at least I'm guaranteed to not have a waiting period - my health comes before anything. No health = no ryding.

Sorry---- Sometimes I just can't control responding to people posting incorrect things (Canadians coming in droves to the US for healthcare,, long waiting lists, etc.). This is what happens when people just repeat what they have 'heard' without doing any research.

I had to wait 10 months to get my Spyder - and my Blue Cross policy didn't pay a single dime for my mental anguish!

[RoadHammer]

Ya, well many people from canada do flock to the us for medical care. If they didn't they would die here. Crossborder travel insurance is a must when traveling.

Sorry---- Sometimes I just can't control responding to people posting incorrect things (Canadians coming in droves to the US for healthcare,, long waiting lists, etc.). This is what happens when people just repeat what they have 'heard' without doing any research.

I had to wait 10 months to get my Spyder - and my Blue Cross policy didn't pay a single dime for my mental anguish!

[bone crusher]

Sorry---- Sometimes I just can't control responding to people posting incorrect things (Canadians coming in droves to the US for healthcare,, long waiting lists, etc.). This is what happens when people just repeat what they have 'heard' without doing any research.

I had to wait 10 months to get my Spyder - and my Blue Cross policy didn't pay a single dime for my mental anguish!

No amount of healthcare can help your mental issues, whether the gov't pays for them, or you...that cost alone would bankrupt many nations!! Just kiddin'...couldn't resist the opening there!

[Firefly]

No amount of healthcare can help your mental issues, whether the gov't pays for them, or you...that cost alone would bankrupt many nations!! Just kiddin'...couldn't resist the opening there!

Hey now--- I resemble that statement!

[Firefly]

OK, I will try my darndest to zip the lip after this. My family lives in SW Florida. I go down there from time to time. They have alot of friends from Canada who spend the winter down there - many of their seasonal neighbors are from Canada. From the ones I met (and they all have a good chunk of change sitting in the bank) all get their medical stuff done in the states - why? They told me about how long it takes to get a procedure done - it's bad Even for something pressing, they tell me there is a wait. No thanks, Ill take what we have right now. It may not be perfect but at least I'm guaranteed to not have a waiting period - my health comes before anything. No health = no ryding.

Well-- believe what you want. I have family that has lived in Canada for 50 years and they say all this negative 'waiting' and 'rationing' stuff is BS. We all end up on 'socialized' healthcare here in the US by the time we turn 65 - we have no choice in the matter - our regular insurance drops us like a rock just when we start to become expensive entering our golden years.

Our GI's have good healthcare that is run by the Gov. --- just wish we could all have something similar or more affordable. Since we're not getting the public option (key word being optional) - I'm not in favor of the current bill.

If I ever move I could easily see myself taking a serious look at Canada (BC area sounds really nice!). Of course I'd have to take my US bought Spyder with me back to its homeland.

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[QUOTE=Firefly;172463]
Our GI's have good healthcare that is run by the Gov.
Ever been inside a VA hospital?

john

[Smylinacha]

Glad your family is doing well. Just saying what my parents neighbors tell me. But if your family doesn't have to wait - that is great - I hope nobody has to wait for something that could keep them squirming in pain or wondering "what if".

The VA hospitals by us are NASTY.

Well-- believe what you want. I have family that has lived in Canada for 50 years and they say all this negative 'waiting' and 'rationing' stuff is BS. We all end up on 'socialized' healthcare here in the US by the time we turn 65 - we have no choice in the matter - our regular insurance drops us like a rock just when we start to become expensive entering our golden years.

Our GI's have good healthcare that is run by the Gov. --- just wish we could all have something similar or more affordable. Since we're not getting the public option (key word being optional) - I'm not in favor of the current bill.

If I ever move I could easily see myself taking a serious look at Canada (BC area sounds really nice!). Of course I'd have to take my US bought Spyder with me back to its homeland.

[Neez]

Glad your family is doing well. Just saying what my parents neighbors tell me. But if your family doesn't have to wait - that is great - I hope nobody has to wait for something that could keep them squirming in pain or wondering "what if".

The VA hospitals by us are NASTY.

Smylin, slnce this thread has been transfered over to general topics, I will speak a bit more freely. I still won't presume to tell you which system to support, for that is your choice. I have lived in Canada for many years, including deades ago when we had private health care, so I have lived with both systems. Each has it's stengths and weaknesses.What disturbs me are the many distortions and misinformation about our system that I hear from south of the border. To tell you the truth, some of the horror stories are downright laughable to anybody with real experience with our medical plan. That said, it is not perfect, no plan is, and there is a minority of Canadians that would prefer the private option. I read that you were under the impression that our doctors would be chosen for us.That's an error. My family doctor is a private businessman who bills the government for services he renders, much as yours bills an insurance company. If I am dissatisfied with his care, I can choose a different doctor. I can understand wealthy Canadians paying for immediate care in Florida, all right. Dont think many average Canadians would, though. Sometimes facilities exist in the larger American centers that do not exist in Canada and Canadians are sent there,with the health plan paying the bill. Bottom line, take what you hear about our system with a grain of salt, make an informed choice and use your own good judgement. BTW, sorry to hear the VA hospitals are "nasty", that's just so unjust.

[Smylinacha]

Gotcha Neez Just going by what the neighbors down South tell me when I'm down there.

Our system isn't perfect either but I am happy with what I have. I am lucky to have a job and pay for insurance that way. Only way I know - go to work and pay for my benefits. And depends where you work - some places have good benes, some bad. Some not at all.

Yeah the VA hospitals where I know people are look like the nut bin from One Flew Over The Cuckoos Nest. Some are as bad as the nasty nursing homes you wind up in that are run by the state. We have one a few towns away - I'll tell ya, I'd rather be dead than in there.

Smylin, slnce this thread has been transfered over to general topics, I will speak a bit more freely. I still won't presume to tell you which system to support, for that is your choice. I have lived in Canada for many years, including deades ago when we had private health care, so I have lived with both systems. Each has it's stengths and weaknesses.What disturbs me are the many distortions and misinformation about our system that I hear from south of the border. To tell you the truth, some of the horror stories are downright laughable to anybody with real experience with our medical plan. That said, it is not perfect, no plan is, and there is a minority of Canadians that would prefer the private option. I read that you were under the impression that our doctors would be chosen for us.That's an error. My family doctor is a private businessman who bills the government for services he renders, much as yours bills an insurance company. If I am dissatisfied with his care, I can choose a different doctor. I can understand wealthy Canadians paying for immediate care in Florida, all right. Dont think many average Canadians would, though. Sometimes facilities exist in the larger American centers that do not exist in Canada and Canadians are sent there,with the health plan paying the bill. Bottom line, take what you hear about our system with a grain of salt, make an informed choice and use your own good judgement. BTW, sorry to hear the VA hospitals are "nasty", that's just so unjust.

[Firefly]

Glad your family is doing well. Just saying what my parents neighbors tell me. But if your family doesn't have to wait - that is great - I hope nobody has to wait for something that could keep them squirming in pain or wondering "what if".

The VA hospitals by us are NASTY.

Well--- not sure how many VA's either of us have been in - but I can tell you that they often get a bad rep by various 'news' shows.

Our local VA does a pretty darn good job.

Another thing to consider is that in Canada many drugs like Tylenol 3 and vicodin are available over the counter.