Under $10,000 Spyder

[JAS POWER]

People were talking Can-Am was going to release a under $10,000.00 Spyder for 2019.

Has anyone herd anything yet???

[Bob Denman]

We're waiting to see what pops up...
There was some talk about the Can Am "Spyke".

[ByeSpyder]

The engineering and quality control of their very expensive products is so poor I can't imagine a "Yugo" version.

[ARtraveler]

RE: Yugo version--I am thinking BRP would not be willing to do something that dumb. If they do that, you can kiss the Spyder line goodbye. I remember when Yugo's first came out. The Oldsmobile dealer in Duluth picked up the line. They had them for a whole three months or so--and then they were quietly GONE.

The new BRP version is supposed to bring a lot of younger people into the market. Currently, the whole motorcycle industry is having a problem selling even in the $10K - $15K areas. Gold Wing seems to be doing good with their re-do at $23K - $25K. HD has some serious problems with their new $40K price points. At this point in time, not only NO, but HECK no.

I have adopted the wait and see mode. At current rates, I can get another 10 years or so out of each Spyder, if I have to.

September - October is going to be interesting for sure.

[Highwayman2013]

The engineering and quality control of their very expensive products is so poor I can't imagine a "Yugo" version.

They did well with the Spark PWC, I don’t see why an entry level Spyder wouldn’t do well.

[Bob Denman]

Some folks wouldn't be happy; even if you beat them with a brand-new baseball bat...

[JAS POWER]

They did well with the Spark PWC, I don’t see why an entry level Spyder wouldn’t do well.

I thought the same thing, and no quality issues with those that I have herd of.

[ByeSpyder]

They did well with the Spark PWC, I don’t see why an entry level Spyder wouldn’t do well.

Totally different products. Totally different buyer expectations.

[canamjhb]

I think the more Spyders BRP gets into the market, better and more service dealers will crop up. Hope so.......

[Flanker]

The engineering and quality control of their very expensive products is so poor I can't imagine a "Yugo" version.

Using my decades of "investigative training and experience"..........................I have detected a note mild sarcasm in your post.

And.........................speaking of Yugos; if BRP surprises us with an econo version of a Spyder" for the younger, and fiscally prudent set...................it would behoove owners of them who might be riding in my neck of the woods to be mindful of prevailing wind conditions.

https://www.tctimes.com/news/remembe...1deb9664f.html

Just sayin'..................................

[Pirate looks at --]

The engineering and quality control of their very expensive products is so poor I can't imagine a "Yugo" version.

Wow, nice attitude! I bet you are a Dodger Fan too!

[monkeyboymorton]

Lots of speculation but few facts on this. 600-900cc range, 60ish HP, 300 KG, no storage?

I can't see how this can be anythng other than a twist and go scooter style spyder, utilising a drive train from a can-am ATV.

My wife likes the sound of it anyway.

[JAS POWER]

Lots of speculation but few facts on this. 600-900cc range, 60ish HP, 300 KG, no storage?

I can't see how this can be anythng other than a twist and go scooter style spyder, utilising a drive train from a can-am ATV.

My wife likes the sound of it anyway.

Twist and go style is just about all I need

[NuttyBuckeye]

Lots of speculation but few facts on this. 600-900cc range, 60ish HP, 300 KG, no storage?

I can't see how this can be anythng other than a twist and go scooter style spyder, utilising a drive train from a can-am ATV.

My wife likes the sound of it anyway.

Wish I had the room to stash my Burgman 650. Fun ride and a highway eater. Rode it to Canada and back. Comfortable (after I modified the seat) and swapped for Kurykan grips.

[UtahPete]

The engineering and quality control of their very expensive products is so poor I can't imagine a "Yugo" version.

The only 'Yugo' version of anything has been a Yugo, and the market pretty much rejected that.

This is a SpyderLovers forum; why are you so down on Spyder engineering and QC?

[ByeSpyder]

The only 'Yugo' version of anything has been a Yugo, and the market pretty much rejected that.

This is a SpyderLovers forum; why are you so down on Spyder engineering and QC?

I can readily name at least a dozen cars manufactured within the past two and a half decades that were "Yugo" like. If you want current examples consider the SmartCar and anything by Fiat. American manufacturers are not exempt either. GM's diesel powered sedans, the pseudo Chev/Cadillac, Pontiac Fiero, Chevy Nova....the list goes on.

If the name "SpyderLovers" suggests the only admissible topics are to praise the Spyder then someone should publish the reason for the site's existence. Otherwise, I assume, as would most people that all discussions relevant to the Spyder are eligible for discussion.

I owned my Spyder for a bit longer than one year but if I had found this site prior to buying it I would have passed on the purchase. Most people know the story of any German-made luxury car - the high maintenance costs and very troublesome nature of the overly complex operating systems. I found the Spyder the Can-Am equivalent. I could list dozens of individual items but here are a few basic ones which Can-Am could have fixed simply by reading the posts on this site:

Incredibly sensitive brake and oil levels throwing limp mode codes when no real issue exists.
CANBUS - need I say more?
Weak windshield supports
Cost/ease of simple maintenance (oil change being the main culprit)
Incompetent dealer service departments and techs and need for non-available diagnostic tools for owners
Incompetent audio and CB (not even going into the difficulties with the 2018 dash)
Need for post purchase alignment, adequate sway bar and shocks
Kenda tires
Difficulty checking/airing rear tire

Note: These are not necessarily MY personal issues but those I have gleaned from the many posts on this site.

A motorcycle-type vehicle costing over $30,000 new should excel at both design and maintainability. The Spyder falls very short of that standard. I have owned dozens of two-wheelers over the years including some very labor intensive British marques but none of them have even come close to the absurdity of the Spyder.

And regarding Can-Am's other products - someone mentioned Sea-Doo. I was doing some intensive research a few months ago on PWC's and was not impressed by the Sea-Doo line when compared to other manufactures. While some of their models seem to perform very well, especially in salt water, their turbo engines have several very weak areas including the use of porcelain washers which fail frequently and cause catastrophic damage to the engine. This type of design failure is inexcusable. The bottom line is I see similar systemic discrepancies in the design, manufacture and support of their PWC's that I see in the Spyder. I will never touch another Can-Am product as a result.

[Bob Denman]

Do you even own a Spyder?


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[jcthorne]

I owned my Spyder for a bit longer than one year but if I had found this site prior to buying it I would have passed on the purchase. Most people know the story of any German-made luxury car - the high maintenance costs and very troublesome nature of the overly complex operating systems. I found the Spyder the Can-Am equivalent. I could list dozens of individual items but here are a few basic ones which Can-Am could have fixed simply by reading the posts on this site:

Incredibly sensitive brake and oil levels throwing limp mode codes when no real issue exists.
CANBUS - need I say more?
Weak windshield supports
Cost/ease of simple maintenance (oil change being the main culprit)
Incompetent dealer service departments and techs and need for non-available diagnostic tools for owners
Incompetent audio and CB (not even going into the difficulties with the 2018 dash)
Need for post purchase alignment, adequate sway bar and shocks
Kenda tires
Difficulty checking/airing rear tire

In fairness, BRP has listened and HAS addressed some of these.

Incredibly sensitive brake and oil levels throwing limp mode codes when no real issue exists. Fully addressed on new models, both RT and F3.
CANBUS - need I say more? Nothing wrong with the communications protocol. This is not even BRP Specific. A number of powersports companies use it.
Weak windshield supports Fully addressed on new F3 model.
Cost/ease of simple maintenance (oil change being the main culprit). No more expensive or difficult to maintain than other powersports vehicles. Newer models have also drasticly reduced maintenance intervals and requirements.
Incompetent dealer service departments and techs and need for non-available diagnostic tools for owners. I completely agree with you on the dealer network. This is the biggest problem BRP needs to address. The diagnostic software (BUDS) is readily available to anyone that wants to purchase it. This is no different than every automobile or other powersports vehicle in production. BRP does not even make this, its third party.
Difficulty checking/airing rear tire With the right air chuck, there is no problem checking or filling the rear tire. I do this multiple times a day on Spyders. Get the right tool for the job.

[Highwayman2013]

I can readily name at least a dozen cars manufactured within the past two and a half decades that were "Yugo" like. If you want current examples consider the SmartCar and anything by Fiat. American manufacturers are not exempt either. GM's diesel powered sedans, the pseudo Chev/Cadillac, Pontiac Fiero, Chevy Nova....the list goes on.

If the name "SpyderLovers" suggests the only admissible topics are to praise the Spyder then someone should publish the reason for the site's existence. Otherwise, I assume, as would most people that all discussions relevant to the Spyder are eligible for discussion.

I owned my Spyder for a bit longer than one year but if I had found this site prior to buying it I would have passed on the purchase. Most people know the story of any German-made luxury car - the high maintenance costs and very troublesome nature of the overly complex operating systems. I found the Spyder the Can-Am equivalent. I could list dozens of individual items but here are a few basic ones which Can-Am could have fixed simply by reading the posts on this site:

Incredibly sensitive brake and oil levels throwing limp mode codes when no real issue exists.
CANBUS - need I say more?
Weak windshield supports
Cost/ease of simple maintenance (oil change being the main culprit)
Incompetent dealer service departments and techs and need for non-available diagnostic tools for owners
Incompetent audio and CB (not even going into the difficulties with the 2018 dash)
Need for post purchase alignment, adequate sway bar and shocks
Kenda tires
Difficulty checking/airing rear tire

Note: These are not necessarily MY personal issues but those I have gleaned from the many posts on this site.

A motorcycle-type vehicle costing over $30,000 new should excel at both design and maintainability. The Spyder falls very short of that standard. I have owned dozens of two-wheelers over the years including some very labor intensive British marques but none of them have even come close to the absurdity of the Spyder.

And regarding Can-Am's other products - someone mentioned Sea-Doo. I was doing some intensive research a few months ago on PWC's and was not impressed by the Sea-Doo line when compared to other manufactures. While some of their models seem to perform very well, especially in salt water, their turbo engines have several very weak areas including the use of porcelain washers which fail frequently and cause catastrophic damage to the engine. This type of design failure is inexcusable. The bottom line is I see similar systemic discrepancies in the design, manufacture and support of their PWC's that I see in the Spyder. I will never touch another Can-Am product as a result.

As I recall the Yugo was a Fiat design that they sold to the commies.

[JAS POWER]

The engineering and quality control of their very expensive products is so poor I can't imagine a "Yugo" version.

There are many ways to cut costs on a Spyder without jeopardizing quality control in my opinion.

My expensive (to me) RSS has been a great machine so far, very happy with the quality, & engineering. Every company has few rotten apples!

[UtahPete]

People were talking Can-Am was going to release a under $10,000.00 Spyder for 2019. Has anyone herd anything yet???

No. Why does it matter?

[loisk]

The sub 10K spyder is currently called Project S, to be unveiled sept this year.

Why does it matter ? Just think - a popularly priced spyder - even if less cc - might just sell very well - lots of new riders, some who would never contemplate two wheels. If it's a real hit, just think of the expanded dealer network we shall all benefit from! Not to mention longevity of the spyder brand itself...

[JAS POWER]

The sub 10K spyder is currently called Project S, to be unveiled sept this year.

Why does it matter ? Just think - a popularly priced spyder - even if less cc - might just sell very well - lots of new riders, some who would never contemplate two wheels. If it's a real hit, just think of the expanded dealer network we shall all benefit from! Not to mention longevity of the spyder brand itself...

[JAS POWER]

No. Why does it matter?

Just curious really. The idea is very appealing

I've been shopping around for another 2 wheeled toy, and love my Spyder a lot, thinking maybe I should wait and see what this Spyder maybe like, before I pull the trigger on another 2 wheeled toy.

I see only positives with BRP's idea

[UtahPete]

Just curious really. The idea is very appealing

I've been shopping around for another 2 wheeled toy, and love my Spyder a lot, thinking maybe I should wait and see what this Spyder maybe like, before I pull the trigger on another 2 wheeled toy.

I see only positives with BRP's idea

Makes sense. I've been contemplating a Honda Ridgeline as a replacement for both my other aging cars. While having my Xterra serviced I was approached by a salesman about trading it in on a Frontier pickup truck. I laughed and told him that's the last mid-sized pickup I'd ever buy. But then he told me the 2019 model is getting a complete makeover to compete with the Ridgeline. Now I'm all jazzed to learn all I can about it.