Dealership said don’t use 8mm spark plug wires

[Stridersr7]

Idk if they said this because you shouldn’t it or they want you to use factory ones. Same ppl who told me to throw away the juice box and leds

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

Idk if they said this because you shouldn’t it or they want you to use factory ones. Same ppl who told me to throw away the juice box and leds

My title says it all IMHO ...... the factory wires have a short life ( Proven here many times ) they are just like the OEM - Kenda tires ....... poorly made and weak ...... add the HOOEY about Spyder wheels are Motorcycle wheels ... another fallacy ......Spyder wheels are " J " design ....just like your Car ...... Mike

[Bob Denman]

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[Bfromla]

Unfortunately some dealers have other concerns that interfere with customers. IMG_7356.jpg

[pegasus1300]

Idk if they said this because you shouldn’t it or they want you to use factory ones. Same ppl who told me to throw away the juice box and leds

I would love to hear his justification for that

[Little Blue]

That's a sign of the TIMES. Today's BIKE Shops are NOT making the money to stay in business. LOST a Good Shop last year. The Bike industry as a whole has really changed in the last 5 years.

[Stridersr7]

That's a sign of the TIMES. Today's BIKE Shops are NOT making the money to stay in business. LOST a Good Shop last year. The Bike industry as a whole has really changed in the last 5 years.

i agreee. So what wires are you guys using?

[11rtLTD]

i agreee. So what wires are you guys using?

Has the best plugs and wires.
It's like riding a different Spyder!!!

[pegasus1300]

plugs and wires from BajaRon

[Bob Denman]

No wires: just coil packs!

[BajaRon]

It all started for me in 2008 when I was told that Iridium spark plugs would not work well in the Spyder. Of course I used them anyway with great results! A few years later the same Spyder motor came from the factory with Iridium spark plugs. Still do.

Dealerships can say anything. And, unfortunately, they often do.

Here is a short list of things that customers have relayed to me about dealer recommendations.

Don't use a car tire
Don't use Amsoil or any fully synthetic oil
Don't use aftermarket oil filters
Don't use aftermarket air filters
Don't change out the sway bar
Don't install aftermarket lighting
Don't use any aftermarket fuel management system or exhaust

But 'Don't use 8mm spark plug wires'? That's a new one on me! But not a problem. My wire sets are 8.5mm so they should be OK!

[pegasus1300]

It all started for me in 2008 when I was told that Iridium spark plugs would not work well in the Spyder. Of course I used them anyway with great results! A few years later the same Spyder motor came from the factory with Iridium spark plugs. Still do.

Dealerships can say anything. And, unfortunately, they often do.

Here is a short list of things that customers have relayed to me about dealer recommendations.

Don't use a car tire
Don't use Amsoil or any fully synthetic oil
Don't use aftermarket oil filters
Don't use aftermarket air filters
Don't change out the sway bar
Don't install aftermarket lighting
Don't use any aftermarket fuel management system or exhaust

But 'Don't use 8mm spark plug wires'? That's a new one on me! But not a problem. My wire sets are 8.5mm so they should be OK!

[Stridersr7]

Yea I bought the iridums from advance auto parts for the spyder. Now time for wires and those damn hoses. And if all that runs well may or may not put juice box back on it . Has stock filter but dual 2 bros exhaust. On stock fuel management wouldn’t it run kinda off with the exhaust ?

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

Yea I bought the iridums from advance auto parts for the spyder. Now time for wires and those damn hoses. And if all that runs well may or may not put juice box back on it . Has stock filter but dual 2 bros exhaust. On stock fuel management wouldn’t it run kinda off with the exhaust ?

Don't forget the " Heat sink paste " ( ie Thermal paste ).....to put on the plug Threads ..... you will have issues if you don't. Mike

[Yazz]

And if all that runs well may or may not put juice box back on it . Has stock filter but dual 2 bros exhaust. On stock fuel management wouldn’t it run kinda off with the exhaust ?

Dual Two Bros exhaust lets the engine breath a bit. More air going out of the combustion chamber.

When I first got my GS/RS, stock with the dual Two Bros, it had impressive back-fires on deceleration. I put the juice box in and the back-fires stopped.

It's up to you what you do, ride it for a while and decide if you want to put the juice box back in.

My mechanic told me to let the engine breath, install a K&N filter.

[Warlock]

Don't forget the " Heat sink paste " to put on the plug Threads ..... you will have issues if you don't. Mike

If you are using NGK plugs don't apply anything to the plugs. This is right from their website
1. Anti-seize
NGK spark plugs feature what is known as trivalent plating. This silver-or-chrome colored finish on the threads is designed to provide corrosion resistance against moisture and chemicals. The coating also acts as a release agent during spark plug removal. NGK spark plugs are installed at the factory dry, without the use of anti-seize. NGK tech support has received a number of tech calls from installers who have over-tightened spark plugs because of the use of anti-seize. Anti-seize compound can act as a lubricant altering torque values up to 20 percent, increasing the risk of spark plug thread breakage.

[Highwayman2013]

If you are using NGK plugs don't apply anything to the plugs. This is right from their website
1. Anti-seize
NGK spark plugs feature what is known as trivalent plating. This silver-or-chrome colored finish on the threads is designed to provide corrosion resistance against moisture and chemicals. The coating also acts as a release agent during spark plug removal. NGK spark plugs are installed at the factory dry, without the use of anti-seize. NGK tech support has received a number of tech calls from installers who have over-tightened spark plugs because of the use of anti-seize. Anti-seize compound can act as a lubricant altering torque values up to 20 percent, increasing the risk of spark plug thread breakage.

No one said to use anti seize. They said heat sink paste.

[Warlock]

No one said to use anti seize. They said heat sink paste.

Some may think that and just wanted to make them aware that anti seize is not a heat paste. I have never used anything and no issues. This is with 5 different Spyders.

David

[UtahPete]

When I first got my GS/RS, stock with the dual Two Bros, it had impressive back-fires on deceleration. I put the juice box in and the back-fires stopped.

It's up to you what you do, ride it for a while and decide if you want to put the juice box back in. My mechanic told me to let the engine breath, install a K&N filter.

What do you mean?

[BajaRon]

If you are using NGK plugs don't apply anything to the plugs. This is right from their website
1. Anti-seize
NGK spark plugs feature what is known as trivalent plating. This silver-or-chrome colored finish on the threads is designed to provide corrosion resistance against moisture and chemicals. The coating also acts as a release agent during spark plug removal. NGK spark plugs are installed at the factory dry, without the use of anti-seize. NGK tech support has received a number of tech calls from installers who have over-tightened spark plugs because of the use of anti-seize. Anti-seize compound can act as a lubricant altering torque values up to 20 percent, increasing the risk of spark plug thread breakage.

Some may think that and just wanted to make them aware that anti seize is not a heat paste. I have never used anything and no issues. This is with 5 different Spyders.

David

This is an example of 2 different objectives from 2 different manufacturers.

1- NGK doesn't want people to use Anti-Seize for the reasons quoted above. They don't want you using anything because it has potential, though small, to create a problem if you don't know what you're doing. As quoted above, NGK plates their spark plug threads (as do just about every spark plug manufacturer) to eliminate any possibility of corrosion between the dissimilar metals (head-aluminum, spark plug-steel). This was a big problem back in the day when aluminum heads were being introduced and spark plugs were not yet plated. Back in those days it was recommended to use Anti-Seize to prevent the problem.

2- However, Can-Am wants your motor to run as designed. To accomplish this the Can-Am engineers recommend using thermal paste on the spark plug threads. This provides additional heat transfer from the spark plug to the head. It is not meant to prevent corrosion.

Of course you are better off putting nothing on the spark plug threads than using Anti-Seize as corrosion protection is no longer needed and Anti-Seize acts as an insulator, decreasing heat transfer. If you do not use thermal paste, the Spyder's computer will compensate for the lack of heat transfer by retarding ignition when needed. You lose power and efficiency. But your engine will run fine and without issue.

As you can see by the graphic below. If you decrease the spark plug's ability to shed heat at the thread interface. It will make a big difference in spark plug temperature. BRP and the spark plug manufacturer go to great lengths to provide a particular heat range spark plug for your application. It is wise to follow the engine manufacturer's recommendations to maintain this heat range spec.

[GearHd]

So, any recommendation on this "thermal paste". I can't say I've ever seen the stuff on the autoparts store shelves before but I can't say I've ever looked.

[BLUEKNIGHT911]

So, any recommendation on this "thermal paste". I can't say I've ever seen the stuff on the autoparts store shelves before but I can't say I've ever looked.

If you don't believe what Ron just said ( and I said in post #14 ) I don't think anything anyone will say can convince you ..................but then if you are one of the many people who don't read all the posts in a Thread ....there is only one cure for that ........ Mike

[Little Blue]

Most 'NAPA' parts stores have the Thermal Paste in stock. You can order it on line from various sources by the way.

[GearHd]

If you don't believe what Ron just said ( and I said in post #14 ) I don't think anything anyone will say can convince you ..................but then if you are one of the many people who don't read all the posts in a Thread ....there is only one cure for that ........ Mike

I have no clue what you're talking about. I'm not disputing that you need the thermal paste, I was merely asking for a supplier or brand of thermal paste. I did read all the comments, you need to read all the WORDS.

I see now that BajaRon's kits include the paste so I'd be all set seeing I'll just order the kit from him when I'm ready.

[ByronM]

The last time I purchased spark plugs from Ron he included the paste in the box.
Nice suprise.