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Originally Posted by UtahPete
More visitors means capacity needs to be increased,
That's pretty hard to do with real estate. You can only pass so many people per hour per acre for a given visit duration regardless of how much money you have. Instead of letting people gaze at a rock formation for 20 minutes you'll have to limit them to 5 minutes. That would create a rebellion if you ask me!
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Originally Posted by IdahoMtnSpyder
That's pretty hard to do with real estate. You can only pass so many people per hour per acre for a given visit duration regardless of how much money you have. Instead of letting people gaze at a rock formation for 20 minutes you'll have to limit them to 5 minutes. That would create a rebellion if you ask me!
Depends on the park. But you're right there is a practical limit to how many people can be accommodated before the experience becomes degraded and loses its value and purpose.
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National Parks belong to the U.S.A. and its citizens... personally I do not think any AMERICAN citizen should be denied access ... after all its our tax dollars that finance all national parks..
it appears to me... national park employees want to use OUR parks for their own pleasure while deny American citizen access...
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Originally Posted by Orange Spyder Man
National Parks belong to the U.S.A. and its citizens... personally I do not think any AMERICAN citizen should be denied access ... after all its our tax dollars that finance all national parks.. it appears to me... national park employees want to use OUR parks for their own pleasure while deny American citizen access... osm
You kinda lost me on that last comment
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Last time we camped overnight in a Nat'l park we had to walk a while before we could find folks that spoke English. IMHO, just like hunting licenses, residents first and nonresidents second, if there's enough tags left.
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Originally Posted by Orange Spyder Man
National Parks belong to the U.S.A. and its citizens... personally I do not think any AMERICAN citizen should be denied access ... after all its our tax dollars that finance all national parks..
Which is why raising the fees to an exorbitant level is unfair to the people. Only those with money can go. But, there has to be some sort of rationing system in place to keep the visitor load at a level that doesn't destroy the park or the experience of visiting.
it appears to me... national park employees want to use OUR parks for their own pleasure while deny American citizen access...
That is an unjustified cynical view. A huge problem is that Congress does not hold the belief that all Americans are entitled to visit the parks and therefore that entitlement needs to be funded by the American population as a whole, i.e., fully, or near fully, tax supported.
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Originally Posted by 2dogs
Last time we camped overnight in a Nat'l park we had to walk a while before we could find folks that spoke English. IMHO, just like hunting licenses, residents first and nonresidents second, if there's enough tags left.
Foreign visitors, especially Chinese currently, are a significant percentage of park visitors. A couple of years ago I stayed at a hotel in Idaho Falls, ID. The desk clerk said two and three busloads of Chinese tourists stayed there every day during the Yellow Stone Park season. In fact, there were signs in the dining room written in Chinese to accommodate them. But should we, or can we, try to keep them away? That goes right to the heart of the issue of open borders, which is currently a topic hotter than hell. But keep this in mind, those visitors are bringing back to this country loads of cash that we send them to buy their goods. It's either let them come and spend their money in our economy, or they will spend it to buy US Government bonds and US real estate. Do we want foreigners buying up our country, or just spending their money here? Not a pleasant choice to ponder.
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You have over-demand for a finite resource. One way to do it fairly is via a lottery system, like with elk tags in hunting. You pay your money and takes your chances. Unfair? Can't afford the price increase? Blame Ryan Zinke and the rest of the idiots that were voted in.
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Originally Posted by asp125
You have over-demand for a finite resource. One way to do it fairly is via a lottery system, like with elk tags in hunting. You pay your money and takes your chances. Unfair? Can't afford the price increase? Blame Ryan Zinke and the rest of the idiots that were voted in.
That's one of the things that National Monuments can do; take the pressure off the National Parks.
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Originally Posted by UtahPete
Prices for national park passes and senior passes would go unchanged. But I hear what you're saying.
On our yearly drive around your western states we always purchase an annual NP pass. Costs us around $80US but pays for itself in our first week. We have found that probably Zion is the busiest. We used to drive in but have had to use the shuttle for the past few visits.
We loved Pipe Spring on the road that has Colorado City, but saw no one there as we passed though. It was soon after they had the Virgin river flood there.
By far, Utah is our favorite state. Red rocks rule!
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Originally Posted by oldgoat
On our yearly drive around your western states we always purchase an annual NP pass. Costs us around $80US but pays for itself in our first week. We have found that probably Zion is the busiest. We used to drive in but have had to use the shuttle for the past few visits. We loved Pipe Spring on the road that has Colorado City, but saw no one there as we passed though. It was soon after they had the Virgin river flood there. By far, Utah is our favorite state. Red rocks rule!
And we Utahns enjoy all the appreciative visitors from around the world. I'm glad you stopped by Pipe Springs, one of our earliest National Monuments, and one of my favorites.
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My suggestion is to go to our National Parks, Monuments, etc. now while they are still there. With the political climate in Washington these days, in 10 years you might see nothing but oil and gas rigs or mines.
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Originally Posted by oldguyinCT
My suggestion is to go to our National Parks, Monuments, etc. now while they are still there. With the political climate in Washington these days, in 10 years you might see nothing but oil and gas rigs or mines.
I think National Parks are safe from exploitation and from politics. But, the National Monuments obviously are not. That's why there's an effort underway now to change the status of what remains of Grand Staircase / Escalante to that of a National Park. A pity, really, since Parks and Monuments have a different focus and purpose. I'd hate to see wilderness developed as a park, but if that's what it takes to protect it, then so be it.
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I posted here previously about our annual western US adventure. To reiterate, Yellowstone was the low light of our trip. It was so crowded and road work kept us from even getting off the bikes. The usual sights were packed. We just drove through and didn't even see a chipmunk. Jackson Hole was like rush hour in the big city. Too bad. The popularity has overcome the ability to accommodate.
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Easter Nevada has some beautiful parks and they are just about devoid of people most of the year. Geysers--no. Caves, mountains, vistas, hiking trails, even glaciers.
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Originally Posted by Lew L
Easter Nevada has some beautiful parks and they are just about devoid of people most of the year. Geysers--no. Caves, mountains, vistas, hiking trails, even glaciers.
Around here, we consider that to be southern Idaho...
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