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    Default US imposes 300% import tariff on Bombardier

    http://www.theweek.co.uk/trade/88867...-on-bombardier

    “This hypocrisy is appalling” the spokesperson added, “and it should be deeply troubling to any importer of large, complex, and highly engineered products.”

    could the Spyder be next ... ?


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    Quote Originally Posted by blitzkreig View Post
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    “This hypocrisy is appalling” the spokesperson added, “and it should be deeply troubling to any importer of large, complex, and highly engineered products.”

    could the Spyder be next ... ?


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    Hi blitzkreig,

    Re: US imposes 300% import tariff on Bombardier

    It will be interesting to hear how loud Boeing squeals when the Canadians do the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blitzkreig View Post
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    “This hypocrisy is appalling” the spokesperson added, “and it should be deeply troubling to any importer of large, complex, and highly engineered products.”

    could the Spyder be next ... ?
    Only it if competes with an American manufacturer with political influence ..... oh boy...

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    Has anybody produced facts showing how much Bombardier is being subsidized by the Canadian and Irish governments? And then let's see how much Boeing is being supported by the US and local Gov'ts via direct and indirect subsidies, like tax breaks.

    Remember, tariffs on large imported motorcycles put in place by the Reagan administration is what saved HD.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IdahoMtnSpyder View Post
    Has anybody produced facts showing how much Bombardier is being subsidized by the Canadian and Irish governments? And then let's see how much Boeing is being supported by the US and local Gov'ts via direct and indirect subsidies, like tax breaks. Remember, tariffs on large imported motorcycles put in place by the Reagan administration is what saved HD.
    So much for free market advocacy. NAFTA is on the chopping block and China is stepping into the void we left in Asia. If this is what fiscal conservatism and free market capitalism has become we're doomed.
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    How about this.
    Start making those engines in the US and there will be NO TARIFF!

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    Bombardier is not the ONLY manufacturer that pays to play in the US without manufacturing in the US, so before getting your pantyhose all tied up in a knot get ALL the FACTS!

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    “This hypocrisy is appalling” the spokesperson added, “and it should be deeply troubling to any importer of large, complex, and highly engineered products.”

    could the Spyder be next ... ?



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    No worry IMO on the . They already tried that game with motorcycles in order to help HD. All it gave us were more expensive motorcycles--and HD is one of the leaders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaladinLV View Post
    How about this. Start making those engines in the US and there will be NO TARIFF! AJ
    The tariff is cheaper than using American labor. If we forced all manufacturers to make their goods in the US, only the top 1% could afford to buy anything. There's no simple answer to the world trade issues.

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    Who really cares?
    In another 100 years: we'll all be dead, and a bunch of other nit-wits will still be bitching about the same damn stuff...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Denman View Post
    Who really cares? In another 100 years: we'll all be dead, and a bunch of other nit-wits will still be bitching about the same damn stuff...
    You're right. I hate it when that happens.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blitzkreig View Post
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    “This hypocrisy is appalling” the spokesperson added, “and it should be deeply troubling to any importer of large, complex, and highly engineered products.”

    could the Spyder be next ... ?

    You aren't by chance thinking they're connected? BRP, the mfgr of the Spyder is not affiliated with Bombardier, the airplane maker. Or are you just wondering about the Spyder since both are Canadian made? The Spyder falls under NAFTA. The jets may not since so much of their production is in Ireland.

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    Default Just some corrections to things mentioned or implied.

    The tariff is on the the C series aircraft only.

    BRP and Bombardier are not the same company. Bombardier sold them off in 2003.

    The engines on the C series airplane are made in the US. Made by Pratt & Whitney a division of United Technologies Corporation. Bombardier does not make any aircraft engines.

    A little over 50% of the C Series aircraft parts are made in the US.

    The aircraft is not made in Ireland. The wings are made there.

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    So the only basis for the tariff are the alleged subsidies by the Canadian and Irish governments. Can Boeing prove the subsidies do in fact exist? If so, they may have an argument.

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    tariffs are one thing but exorbitant tariffs are another. 220% is just plain crazy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IdahoMtnSpyder View Post
    You aren't by chance thinking they're connected? BRP, the mfgr of the Spyder is not affiliated with Bombardier, the airplane maker. Or are you just wondering about the Spyder since both are Canadian made? The Spyder falls under NAFTA. The jets may not since so much of their production is in Ireland.
    The two are still owned by the parent company of Bombardier Inc. but operate as separate entities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jaherbst View Post
    The two are still owned by the parent company of Bombardier Inc. but operate as separate entities.

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    That's incorrect. They are separate companies. Both publicly traded. Bombardier inc. has no equity in BRP. If Bombardier had any equity ownership in any other company. That would have been sold long ago trying to stay out of bankruptcy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Denman View Post
    In another 100 years: we'll all be dead, and a bunch of other nit-wits will still be bitching about the same damn stuff...
    Sounds like Thanksgiving dinners with my family.

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    Quote Originally Posted by akspyderman View Post
    No worry IMO on the . They already tried that game with motorcycles in order to help HD. All it gave us were more expensive motorcycles--and HD is one of the leaders.
    I agree plus a large portion of HD motorcycles are Not build in the USA & some of the parts like the Struts/shocks are built by Honda's subsidy "Showa" in Sunbury, OH.. Electronics from Japan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sandeejs View Post
    Sounds like Thanksgiving dinners with my family.

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    Quote Originally Posted by akspyderman View Post
    No worry IMO on the . They already tried that game with motorcycles in order to help HD. All it gave us were more expensive motorcycles--and HD is one of the leaders.
    I don't think so. It definitely protected HD so they could raise their prices but its effect upon the Japanese big CC engines was minimal.

    What it did do was encourage the Japanese "big 3" to reduce the size of their engines and come out with better performing, yet cheaper, street machines. Since HD buyers generally don't buy on price and wouldn't be caught dead riding Japanese machines it had very little impact on the market overall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RinconRyder View Post
    I don't think so. It definitely protected HD so they could raise their prices but its effect upon the Japanese big CC engines was minimal.

    What it did do was encourage the Japanese "big 3" to reduce the size of their engines and come out with better performing, yet cheaper, street machines. Since HD buyers generally don't buy on price and wouldn't be caught dead riding Japanese machines it had very little impact on the market overall.
    I am going to respectfully disagree on a couple points. Those wonderful inline fours pretty much disappeared. Every Japanese major ended up with V twins and HD clones in the process. I am one of the few that liked the UJM. My last inline 4 was the last year Kawi Voyager. 2002, 2003???? I currently have a v-twin 2015 900 LTD.

    Pretty much all Japanese from the 60's up were flawless. I never had a major mechanical problem over all four brands and every cc level. What stuck out for me was the disappearance of the in line fours--the copy cat v twin on pretty much everything, and the new and improved pricing. HD was the clear winner. Everyone had to match HD pricing in the long run.

    The current market is changing a bit. I do believe HD is going to price themselves out of the market. Their new CVO line is starting at $40K.

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    Quote Originally Posted by akspyderman View Post
    I am going to respectfully disagree on a couple points. Those wonderful inline fours pretty much disappeared. Every Japanese major ended up with V twins and HD clones in the process. I am one of the few that liked the UJM. My last inline 4 was the last year Kawi Voyager. 2002, 2003???? I currently have a v-twin 2015 900 LTD.

    Pretty much all Japanese from the 60's up were flawless. I never had a major mechanical problem over all four brands and every cc level. What stuck out for me was the disappearance of the in line fours--the copy cat v twin on pretty much everything, and the new and improved pricing. HD was the clear winner. Everyone had to match HD pricing in the long run.

    The current market is changing a bit. I do believe HD is going to price themselves out of the market. Their new CVO line is starting at $40K.
    I too was a big fan of the inline fours. My '71 Honda 750 Four (slightly modified) could beat the pants off any HD made in those days.

    But the UJM were just following a trend by trying to copy HD's Potato Twins. It didn't succeed. Both Yamaha and Kawasaki did however sell a bunch of their 80ish vertical twins ala Triumph, BSA etc. So sometimes copying but producing a better product does work. I owned a '81 Yammy 650 Twin which, when I saw it last, had well over 100,000 miles on it and the then owner was about to take it cross country for the 4th or 5th time. I think Kawasaki still sells their version of the Triumph Bonneville 650 twin.

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    The W650 us no longer offered for sale in the U.S.
    But it might still be available in other markets...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Denman View Post
    The W650 us no longer offered for sale in the U.S.
    But it might still be available in other markets...

    Yes, it's the W800 now tho I think they're no longer being produced but some stock still available.



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