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    I learned From Monster fuel one way to get around the gearing change the nanny won't allow. Something about splicing the sensor cable from the rear tire and tying it in with a front wheel sensor. They were doing this to be able to run the bike on a Dyno. This would tell the ECU all three tires are spinning equal and allow any gearing change. The fuel mapping is identical for the 89 or the 79 tooth sprocket but you would loose traction control and abs for the rear wheel as it is blinded. Only a theory I was told, but it makes sense??
    Right now monster fuel has a Daytona test bike and is working on a complete package turbo kit. Basically taking parts off of other BRP product lines and fitting them to the Can-Am. I was told that their ECU flashes which are netting about 25 ponies aren't really selling as hoped for. This is having a domino effect on funding for the turbo project. Seems Can-Am owners talk the performance talk but don't walk the performance walk even though there is 25 ponies for $350 with the ECU flash.
    Just in case people have missed it, here is a video of my test RT going from 0 to 68 mph, laying down about 25' of rubber in under 6 seconds. A Stock RT is only going 50 mph in the same time and distance. My NEW F3L hauls but with the flash but it took an exhaust change to get the results.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poseidon View Post
    I wonder if BUDS MegaTech will allow the changes and / or disabling the Nanny? I know it allows it on the off road side with ATVs and SxSs.

    http://www.brpdiagnostics.com/brpbud...echlicencekey/

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    I am not spending $350 for only 25 ponies. I think most are fine just the way the Spyder is for now. JMO

    Now change the pricing and MAYBE you will get more people to take the Pony plunge .

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    Default $350.00 for 25 HP

    Quote Originally Posted by trikermutha View Post
    I am not spending $350 for only 25 ponies. I think most are fine just the way the Spyder is for now. JMO

    Now change the pricing and MAYBE you will get more people to take the Pony plunge .
    $350.00 for 25 HP is a bargain compared to anything else in today's market...I'll be going with this ECM update, and hopefully the 89 T. rear sprocket by spring...

    Thank You Dennis for the updated info...

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    I have to say, at least from my point of view, my RT has plenty of performance.
    I'm more into touring. My farkles include more lights and the sound system.
    If my RT accelerated to 60 MPH 3 seconds faster, that means I get to work 3 seconds earlier.
    I'm not passing judgement on those that want to hop up their Spyders.
    I'm merely adding another point of view that might explain why there are so few performance upgrades available.

    Just my opinion, I could be wrong. I'm sure someone on this forum will point out my error.
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    Quote Originally Posted by trikermutha View Post
    I am not spending $350 for only 25 ponies. I think most are fine just the way the Spyder is for now. JMO

    Now change the pricing and MAYBE you will get more people to take the Pony plunge .
    $14 per horsepower ( if you REALLY can get 25 HP) is a really a good deal. Most other performance mods for the RT cost more and produce no power to speak of. I've hopped up every motor I've ever owned ( even the two snow blowers)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dennis in Lodi View Post
    I learned From Monster fuel one way to get around the gearing change the nanny won't allow. Something about splicing the sensor cable from the rear tire and tying it in with a front wheel sensor. They were doing this to be able to run the bike on a Dyno. This would tell the ECU all three tires are spinning equal and allow any gearing change. The fuel mapping is identical for the 89 or the 79 tooth sprocket but you would loose traction control and abs for the rear wheel as it is blinded. Only a theory I was told, but it makes sense??
    Right now monster fuel has a Daytona test bike and is working on a complete package turbo kit. Basically taking parts off of other BRP product lines and fitting them to the Can-Am. I was told that their ECU flashes which are netting about 25 ponies aren't really selling as hoped for. This is having a domino effect on funding for the turbo project. Seems Can-Am owners talk the performance talk but don't walk the performance walk even though there is 25 ponies for $350 with the ECU flash.
    Just in case people have missed it, here is a video of my test RT going from 0 to 68 mph, laying down about 25' of rubber in under 6 seconds. A Stock RT is only going 50 mph in the same time and distance. My NEW F3L hauls but with the flash but it took an exhaust change to get the results.
    https://monsterfuelinjection.com/spyder/
    So, unless I'm not understanding your post correctly, splicing the sensors to allow a dyno run is just a theory. If that is the case, how do they know the flash is increasing hp and torque? One or the other has to be incorrect. Either they know how and have had it on the dyno, or they don't know how much gains to expect. Maybe their butt dyno is more sensitive than mine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by trikermutha View Post
    I am not spending $350 for only 25 ponies. I think most are fine just the way the Spyder is for now. JMO

    Now change the pricing and MAYBE you will get more people to take the Pony plunge .
    I am always looking for more power. And adding 20%+ more horsepower to a $25k+ machine for only $350 is a real bargain (If the gains are true). I come from (and still am) the ford performance family (numerous mustangs, including my roush and my ford lightning), and there are no gains to be had in that way (percentage wise), without going to nitrous. Which, is the one thing that I have never heard anyone mention in the spyder world.

    So, has anyone ever installed nitrous to to their spyder? I would really like to read their post

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    Since some of you think its a bargain why not jump on this great deal and performance upgrade then

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    Quote Originally Posted by trikermutha View Post
    Since some of you think its a bargain why not jump on this great deal and performance upgrade then
    Even a bargain is only a bargain when it has been tried and proven. I am never one to have to (or want to) be the first guy on the block to try something.
    That seems to be the norm around here. That is why you have people paying $30k+ for a spyder that I will pick up in 4-5 months from a dealer for $24k or less. I am patient and will wait until something is proven, or a bargain, and then spend my money.
    But to each their own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpyderAnn01 View Post
    Poseidon, most Spyder owners are too old to want more power.

    I think Ann has spoken for all of us. You might be hanging out with the wrong crowd if all your concerned with is power upgrades, turbo's, wheelie's, racing

    and lack of Libido! The Harley crowd may be more to your liking. I went through that phase of my life from 1951 till 2008. (and enjoyed every minute of it)



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    Default The splice

    This past summer, I took my flashed RT to Canada for the purpose to get a Dyno test, figure out the speed restrictions and solve the gearing change. In my short time there I was 0 for 3 in those goals as I was on a vacation and didn't want my only ride tied up. We learned a current F3S or Daytona is needed for the project going forward to conduct reliable Dyno testing.
    In follow up conversation with Monster Fuel is where the splice comment came up. Blinding the rear wheel works with the splice for a gearing change but the rear wheel is no longer part of the ABS. So to me that does not seem like a solution??
    JCThorne posted his flash test results and he showed a 20 hp gain on his F3S. I can't find that post??
    To be honest, my 2016 totally stock F3L WITH the 89 tooth sprocket did not show ANY net gain in my time and distance testing and only modest gains when I tested exhaust combinations. This is being mirrored in comments from F3S owners. The flash was designed around the 79 tooth gearing and the 89 tooth is not befitting from the flash as much as the RT OBVIOUSLY DOES. 25' of rubber and 0 to 68 mph is proven on the video.
    In follow up conversations about this issue with Monster Fuel they, implied the 89 tooth gearing is being addressed with a different flash option.

    I AGREE WITH YOU, since they have a full time Daytona test bike, a Dyno shop less than an hour away, it's time to poop or get off the potty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poseidon View Post
    So, unless I'm not understanding your post correctly, splicing the sensors to allow a dyno run is just a theory. If that is the case, how do they know the flash is increasing hp and torque? One or the other has to be incorrect. Either they know how and have had it on the dyno, or they don't know how much gains to expect. Maybe their butt dyno is more sensitive than mine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dennis in Lodi View Post
    To be honest, my 2016 totally stock F3L WITH the 89 tooth sprocket did not show ANY net gain in my time and distance testing and only modest gains when I tested exhaust combinations. This is being mirrored in comments from F3S owners. The flash was designed around the 79 tooth gearing and the 89 tooth is not befitting from the flash as much as the RT OBVIOUSLY DOES. 25' of rubber and 0 to 68 mph is proven on the video.
    In follow up conversations about this issue with Monster Fuel they, implied the 89 tooth gearing is being addressed with a different flash option.
    And up until this post I was the only one voicing this result and everyone thought I was crazy! What is this flash option you speak of? The last time I spoke to Steve he made no mention of it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lew L View Post
    $14 per horsepower ( if you REALLY can get 25 HP) is a really a good deal. Most other performance mods for the RT cost more and produce no power to speak of. I've hopped up every motor I've ever owned ( even the two snow blowers)

    This may be next

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    You must have a sick mind---I would know because I have the same problem---I even have the cheap tach on my riding lawn mower--I increased the maximum RPM. Has anyone seen my cutting blade that flew off?? It went South.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wildrice View Post
    You must have a sick mind---I would know because I have the same problem---I even have the cheap tach on my riding lawn mower--I increased the maximum RPM. Has anyone seen my cutting blade that flew off?? It went South.
    Darrell

    I resemble that. Both snowblowers resemble much larger units ( in snow throwing capability ) A slight governor mod and rubber flaps added to the thrower made a HUGE difference.

    Now to the , haven't modded the motor yet but that is the question of this thread....................

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