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    Default @$$# rear suspension

    My extended warranty is out and Iíve just discovered an issue with my rear suspension. Once upon a time adjusting the air pressure would raise or lower the back end an inch or so, now it does nothing.

    Questions - How much is required to dig in an replace the air bladder?
    - If itís not the air bladder what next? Compressor?
    - Is it worth it? I canít complain about the ride. Should I just ignore it?
    - Is a cheaper option just to get a Fox shock and forget it?
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    Default Rear Suspension

    I have had a similar problem with my 2012 RTS. It has been in the shop 3 times for the same issue. Each time the air compressor had failed and needed to be replaced. Luckily for me, they have all been covered under warranty. The first time it was under the regular warranty and the last two times it was covered under the BEST warranty but I had to pay the $50.00 deductible. My BEST warranty runs out in MAY of 2018 and I am a little concerned if it happens after that because I am sure it can get expensive for the repair. The first time it failed, the compressor came apart internally. The second time it just blew apart. The third time it failed electrically. I just sent a letter to BRP Customer Service yesterday with my concerns and requested a refund of the $100.00 I had to pay for the deductibles because it was a continual problem. My dealership that completed the repairs tells me that this is not something that they see very often. The bottom line is that this is the fourth compressor that has been in my Can-am and it only has 31,000 miles on it. Don't get me wrong, I love this machine and my wife and I truly enjoy the time that we spend riding it. I am waiting to hear back from customer service.

    To answer your question, I believe that it is something that you should get repaired because my machine did not ride very well when the compressor failed especially when I was riding 2 up with my wife. It always seemed to lose air over time even if I added air manually in the valve under the seat. Good luck.
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    Been there, done that. Scroll down and there are a few videos on how I did mine in 2015. I put a Viair 98C air compressor in ($75) Walmart on line and 4 oz of green slime in the air bag I removed, then our Rock Armour. No problems since then. About 35k on it since.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roadster Renovations View Post
    Been there, done that. Scroll down and there are a few videos on how I did mine in 2015. I put a Viair 98C air compressor in ($75) Walmart on line and 4 oz of green slime in the air bag I removed, then our Rock Armour. No problems since then. About 35k on it since.

    http://dochumphreys.wixsite.com/roadster/install
    Hmmm - starting off with the slime might be a good 1st step, right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by OverHillAndDale View Post
    Hmmm - starting off with the slime might be a good 1st step, right?
    I was very concerned with putting the slime through the schrader port. That goes down and tees twice; once to the dump valve and then again it branches for the compressor and then the airbag. I was afraid of gumming up the lines and components. For that reason I removed the AB and poured the slime down the opening at the top. Since the hole is on the bottom (99% are) it treated the area needed and stayed away from the stuff that it might cause problems with. I have heard of some people doing it, but I have no idea how it would work long term.
    What I did worked and has worked for almost 3 seasons and about 40,000 miles. It isn't an easy repair, but done correctly, it should solve any air bag issues.

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    Default Base model

    Base RT and most F3 do not have a compressor. Run the line from the bag to the schrader valve under the seat. Fill with 50#. Check the next day. If it is still at 50, it is the compressor leaking. If you want, put a fobo on it. Otherwise, check it before each ride, like your tires. Some folks have a small hand pump, others have a 12V compressor. Works fine!
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    First make sure the airbag is holding air. Add 50 lbs of air usingmthe shrader valve under the seat and see if it holds. Next, make sure the sensor arm that attaches to the swingarm is undamaged. If it comes unattached, it will think the airbag is full and wont turn the compressor on. Check the fuse for the compresor. If it still doesnt inflate after all that, then its possible the com9ressor has failed. It can be tested using BUDS. I would just inflate in manually when needed.

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    Default AIR BAG

    You definitely can not ride 2 up without air in the air bag. You can bypass the compressor if it is shot by adding air through the schrader valve, but you have to have air in the bag to ride and if that is where the leak is, you must fix that first.
    Bob, k7xi. 2013 RTL

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    The compressor seems to be the weak link. When I lost mine the dealer who replaced it told me he had just ordered 4 because he had been replacing a number of them. A week later a friends went out as well.

    I thought to just manual fill it until it was fixed, but it would not hold air so I thought the bag was also bad. Turned out the dump valve remained open after the compressor quit.

    If yours holds air and you have the auto leveler I would disconnect the arm so it doesn't release air at stops resulting in a poor ride since it's not be able add air as you ride.

    If/When he compressor fails again I will either replace it with a better one (like Doc did), or run a line directly from bag to fill valve as Joe suggested.
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    Lots of great advice, thanks. If the compressor is shot I like Doc Humphreyís idea of the off-brand compressor for $75, BRP is really proud of their parts.

    I will definitely try to measure the air pressure by hand in the meantime. I dread getting into a project this size, but I refuse to pay my local deal whatever parts and labor would be for this, and my bike is out of warranty.
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    I traded my 2011 RTL for a 2015 and am having a similar issue outlined in http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/s...r-Shock-Issues. I am concerned about the dealer not being able to find the issue and this will continue through my warranty period. At $50 a pop, that will become expensive quick.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BitSlayer View Post
    I traded my 2011 RTL for a 2015 and am having a similar issue outlined in http://www.spyderlovers.com/forums/s...r-Shock-Issues. I am concerned about the dealer not being able to find the issue and this will continue through my warranty period. At $50 a pop, that will become expensive quick.
    Check to see if your state has a lemon law and use it if you qualify.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RinconRyder View Post
    Check to see if your state has a lemon law and use it if you qualify.
    Good idea.... Thanks for the post....
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    I canít yet speak to the compressor, but the bag is definitely a problem. I have filled it to about 40 lbs three times and it is down to 0 seconds later. If it were a slow lead Iíd consider the slime, but for a leak this big I suspect thatís not really an option.

    I may order the compressor as well, and return it if replacing the bag doesnít fix the problem.
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    Default AIR BAG

    Disconnecting the leveling valve won't help. When you add weight to the bike, the leveling valve sees that and kicks on the compressor. When you get off, the leveling valve sees that and tells another switch to dump air out. Of course, the leveling valve sees all sorts of weight on-and-off differences, like slowing down and stopping at a stop sign. So if your compressor is bad, it won't add air, but the other switch will let air out--- and very soon you have no air in the bag. (if the bag is good to start with). The air-out switch can be disconnected by pulling the quick disconnect apart. It is located (kinda-sorta) under the Schrader valve. IF the bag is good, this lets you put air in manually and the bag will stay inflated. Of course, it seems like every bike model is a tad bit different, so your mileage may vary.......
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